Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020–21 Scottish Premiership

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Arguments to keep - even if it is ultimately cancelled - are stronger, and point out that in the past we have kept articles about cancelled events. Arguments to delete are based on assumptions of what may or may not happen. MelanieN (talk) 23:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020–21 Scottish Premiership[edit]

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Normally we would create an article for a forthcoming league season as and when teams secure a place in it, by winning enough points in the previous season. In theory three teams have done this so far, but the 2019/20 season has now been suspended due to the Coronavirus pandemic.

There is now a lot of speculation about what may happen, and therefore any assumption about who may have qualified for the next season is unsafe. WP:CRYSTAL. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 17:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree that CRYSTAL applies here, given current issues with coronavirus we don't know what will happen. Giant Snowman 17:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Draft I highly doubt they won't go a head with the league, I certainly disagree on a straight up deletion, there is a reason why we have "Draft space!". Govvy (talk) 17:41, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Draft per Govvy As they say, there's a reason "Draft space" exists, and six months will probably be long enough for the situation to resolve (based on my best Trump-like hunch). Let's re-assess it then. --Cactus.man ✍ 18:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It has not been cancelled or postponed and we have several teams that we know will be part of it. Deleting now is premature as we don't now how long football will be stopped for.11cookeaw1 (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this has to be the most absurd and fear-mongering AFD nomination in the history of Wikipedia. We have sources and dates. I wouldn't be surprised if it's delayed - but seems highly improbable that it would be cancelled, and completely WP:CRYSTAL; to suggest that it would be without any sources. To imply that we'd still in lockdown a year from now is fear-mongering, and those that do this need to go somewhere else an calm down. Nfitz (talk) 20:52, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying that a 2020/21 Scottish Premiership season won't happen. What I'm saying is that the assumption that it will happen in the same fashion as a normal season (12 teams playing 38 games each, running from early August to mid-May), is unsafe. Until we have clarity about how the 2019/20 season will be resolved then we don't know how the 2020/21 season will operate. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:09, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like an argument to fix the content, not delete the article. Nfitz (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I agree that WP:CRYSTAL applies, since the response to the coronavirus has cancelled virtually all gatherings. Lightburst (talk) 21:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments are to be avoided but the 2020–21 Serie A article was kept after an AfD. 3 teams have qualified as it stands. Even if the season is cancelled it's still notable.Dougal18 (talk) 07:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 18:18, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - While I understand the rationale for the AFD, I think WP:Crystal is actually being misapplied here. CRYSTAL would be us trying to guess what is going to happen with the Scottish premier league before any formal decisions have been made and before any news articles have come out talking about this. Deleting the article now because of a possible future policy change would be a mistake. At most, we can draftify it but honestly there is enough content here to support an article. If anything does happen wrt COVID-19 it can be added to the article once it is corroborated by reliable sources; prior to that, what's the rush?? Michepman (talk) 18:56, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I can see why people are saying keep, as at the moment this is scheduled to happen. The issue is there is now serious doubt that this will happen. It could be for instance that even if Football resumes in August it is decided to finish the 2019-2020 season and then have an alternate competition before restarting in summer 2021. Equally there is a serious possibility some clubs could fold which would have an impact on the viability of having a league under the current structure. Difficult decisions taken about promotion and relegation also mean there is a prospect of legal action which could cause further delay. Not really sure we have a good precedent for this. Very difficult call. Dunarc (talk) 22:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- One other point that I meant to add was some cancelled British sporting events like The Boat Race 2020 and 2020 Grand National still have articles to say they were scheduled events that were cancelled and I suppose if there is ultimately no 2020-2021 Scottish Premiership there could easily still be an article giving details of the cancellation and format the competition would have taken. Thinking further about this I would say I would Lean Keep as whatever happens there is a good chance there would be a rationale for having an article (and if need be this could later be made into a redirect to whatever competition does replace it or even to 2019-2020 Scottish Premiership). Dunarc (talk) 23:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:CRYSTAL, which states - "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" (my bolding). Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.