Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 Intrust Super Premiership NSW

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The result was keep. Before renominating, consider merging/redirecting. So Why 08:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Intrust Super Premiership NSW[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT. - Mr X 11:49, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Does not fail sportsevent as it is an ongoing season, not a single game, series, final or exhibition game. This article pertains to the entire season of the NSW Intrust Super Premiership, one of the highest level rugby competitions in the world.Fleets (talk) 13:06, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If that's true, it seems to fail WP:NSEASON, not to mention WP:NOTSTATS (Excessive listings of unexplained statistics).- Mr X 13:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - it would not fail based on season, and the stats angle would see it requiring context for the initiated, along with explanatory text for all, not deletion.Fleets (talk) 17:19, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: While the article is terrible and does not currently consist of "mainly of well-sourced prose", the subject is notable and a terrible article is not a reason for deletion. Mattlore (talk) 20:40, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep~~Struggling~~ - ~~reluctant delete~~. My feeling was that this should be notable. But after I excluded in-house League reporting and in-house club reporting and betting sites and routine game results reporting and social media, there was essentially nothing left; certainly negligible main stream media reporting that I could find, only a couple of very local media outlets. I live in NSW and do not recall ever seeing this reported on any of the main, free to air, TV broadcast channels prime time news. The comp is played by fully professional teams, but it is not the top league. So technically under our notability rules, either SNGs or GNGs it is probably not notable ? (But again my gut feeling is that it should be a series of articles in wikipedia.) (Can the keepers point me in the direction of some main stream independent reporting?) Aoziwe (talk) 11:19, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

International media attention is a little more than requested, but hopefully should satisfy any lingering doubts.Fleets (talk) 11:38, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is a start but it is only really a mention of the competition. It would be a better reference for the player, Kato Ottio. I still think we need a lot more. Aoziwe (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you are of that opinion, then please do make the effort to improve the article, as it now has been shown to have sources available via easy searches and now is now a well written article.Fleets (talk) 08:39, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would try to improve the article if I could find some, any, suitable sources. The article is currently 5 sentences and a couple of tables, one table which is a complete and exact duplicate of a table in Intrust Super Premiership NSW. It is not a well written article, but that is not a reason to delete it. The problem is the lack of independent reliable sources. At the moment I can not argue via WP:NEXIST. Two of the current references are the League's own "news", one is a club "news", and the fourth is an "industry" specific publication. The PNG reference you give above, while better than the first three in the current article, is about the player and only mentions this comp as one of several topics related to the player. If you can give me a list of appropriate references, I will be happy to use them to contribute to the article. Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 11:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a range of sources to the article and expanded it a bit. While I don't think any are a "silver bullet" source that I want to single out here, I think in combination they point towards notability via GNG. Part of the reason for the struggle to find sources is the competitions name change from "NSW Cup", which has not been universally adopted by all of the media. Mattlore (talk) 23:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my opinion to weak keep. There is now probably sufficient WP:NEXIST to demonstrate GNG. While a lot of the new references are in-house, and another lot are very local publications, there is also a decent enough smattering of main stream independent sources. Thanks Mattlore. Aoziwe (talk) 12:41, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:46, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades^Godric 04:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This page is current and ongoing, and can be added to as the season continues. Nat965 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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