Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1996 Canadian Junior Curling Championships

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ^BE _CK ^Y _SA ^{Y L}E _S 23:25, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1996 Canadian Junior Curling Championships[edit]

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Bare listing of stats with no evidence of notability. Fails WP:NOTSTATS and WP:GNG. - Mr X 13:44, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:CURLING notability guidelines. -- Earl Andrew - talk 14:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That link leads to a wikiproject, not a community adopted guideline. I'm not sure what bearing it has on notability.- Mr X 15:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Curling/Article_Guidelines#Curling_Events -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, two people cannot create a guideline the overrules WP:N, per WP:CONLEVEL.- Mr X 17:26, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A lack of debate over the last five years proves the consensus. Though, if you disagree with the guidelines, you should take it up at WP:CURLING first before putting up a random article for AFD. Don't you think that would have been more reasonable? -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's not really how it works. The curling project can propose a guideline and notify the relevant public fora to get broader input. At that point, if participants believe a list of curling competition stats are appropriate for inclusion, then the new guideline will have some authority. - Mr X 18:02, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is the issue here that you actually don't think this is notable? Or would you happy if I found some sources indicating widespread coverage? Obviously, more recent versions of the event have plenty of coverage, and can be referenced with online sources. 1996 pre-dates the internet era, so I would be happy to find some newspaper coverage. In terms of notability, I would argue that it falls under the greater scope of Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#individual seasons, as it is similar to a collegiate season in the Canadian curling context (a national junior championship would receive far more coverage than a national collegiate championship in curling). -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The issue for me is that it is a sprawling collection of stats, flags and redlinks, although I see that you have improved it by adding text. A Google search and the word "junior" in the title are what suggested to me that this was not notable. If 2-3 independent sources can be found, I would gladly withdraw the nomination and instead add a cleanup tag to the article.- Mr X 18:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds reasonable to me. I was planning on heading to the library this weekend, so I will find some independent sources. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 19:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see where you are you coming from, and I fixed up the large collection of redlinks. One thing to keep in mind is the basic format of the page and the collection of stats, though sprawling, is also found in events with huge coverage, such as the 2016 Tim Hortons Brier, just to name one example. The main difference between the two pages is that the 1996 Juniors had much less coverage, and is therefore much more simplistic. Overall, I think this particular event, along with similar events, has enough notability to remain on Wikipedia Thatcurler (talk) 03:38, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:20, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Meets the guidelines of the curling project, which is a start. Copious content, this is more than a one line stub, so that counts, too. Structurally little different than its parent page, Canadian Junior Curling Championships. Esoterica, but let it be. Carrite (talk) 05:24, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.