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13 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Very similar behaviour. Editing in the same way, in the same pages, and using the same words, often using WP:GAMING in the talk pages of the articles. WP:DUCK.

  1. Same pages, similar behaviours: Diff BDMKK, Diff GiordanoOrion; Diff BDMKK, Diff GiordanoOrion
  2. Obsession with removing "far-right" from articles of politicians and related subjects diffs GiordanoOrion, diff Berzerker king
  3. Similar behaviour, often use of guidelines in the edit summary and though relatively new in the wikipedia, shows a abnormal knowledge of the rules and guidelines in general. BDMKK: diff diff diffs; GiordanoOrion: diff diff diff

Either this is a big coincidence, or there is something afoot here. I tried to assume WP:GOODFAITH here, but this has to be checked. If it's not, great. But if it is, this is getting out of control.

PS: User BDMKK has been blocked on his native portuguese Wiki for use of proxies. According to the adms in pt-wiki who enforced the block, BDMKK would use IPs and sock puppets to give him "back up" in the discussions, to influence it's result and give a false ideia of "consensus" to project his POV. It's a very similar behaviour seen here. Coltsfan (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC) Coltsfan (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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No, Coltsfan didn't assume my good faith at all (diff). He has received many complaints of WP:OWNERSHIP and WP:POV at Talk:Jair Bolsonaro and he's likely making these accusations because he doesn't like to be opposed in his views. He has a tendency to think that everyone who disagrees with him is a sock puppetry (diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, etc), going as far as removing content that he subjectively judge as sock or that challenge his ideas (diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, etc). Anyway, I haven't abused multiple accounts or IPs nor breached the policy on meat-puppetry. The claim is not relevant to sock puppetry. GiordanoOrion (talk) 04:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And this should be investigated. GiordanoOrion (talk) 05:02, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have reasons to suspect because i'm a target of sock puppets, which got to the point of my talk page being protected. And everybody who accused of me of POV or OWNERSHIP have been blocked for sock puppetry (including multiple IPs), so you only gave me one more reason to suspect this. Coltsfan (talk) 08:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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20 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

The ips are continuing the editing by SG333 on the Sérgio Moro (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) article. The 29 confirms their socking in this thread Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Sérgio Moro. The 250 has spammed several editors pages about the article. MarnetteD|Talk 02:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I blocked the unblocked IP for three days. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


23 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Both of these IPs have picked up the line of argument at Talk:Jair Bolsonaro where GiordanoOrion left off, and show a surprising amount of knowledge of policy on their very first edits. Bradv 00:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Adding 49.195.72.88 per the comment below. Bradv 01:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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So are you suggesting a range block on millions of IPs? Regardless, could you please answer if Bolsonaro should be classified as far-right and, most importantly, should we use weasel words and state this in Wikipedia's voice as it is now in the article? 49.195.72.88 (talk) 01:06, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Three IPs blocked one week. Semi-protected a couple of talk pages and removed one RfC. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


21 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Another IP 49 trying to continue a content dispute regarding Sérgio Moro by at BLPN. IP has already been blocked by C.Fred; so, maybe this SPI is not necessary. I do, however, strongly suspect this person will be back again, most likely quite soon, to try and continue this dispute. The possiblility of a WP:RANGEBLOCK was discussed at User:Coltsfan#Courtesy notification, but was not deemed appropriate at this time and PP was done instead. Not sure how to prevent any further disruption of this except perhaps by WP:DENY and WP:EVADE. I'm also not sure who the real master is since SacredGeometry333 has been CU confimed as a sock of BDMKK, but there no mention of the account at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BDMKK. Marchjuly (talk) 00:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • IP now blocked. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 00:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


22 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

More IP 49s which might possibly connected to SacredGeometry333 (or BDMKK). Similar edits made by IPs 49.195.106.69 and 49.180.153.232 over categorization of Enéas Carneiro [1][2] which include removing sources used to support Carneiro as being on the far-right of the political spectrum as well as removal section from Diretas Já [3] made previously by IPs and other accounts subsequently block per WP:SOCK. IPs 49.180.174.218 and 49.181.168.38 also seem to be involved in similar disputes at Social Liberal Party (Brazil) [4] and Talk:Jair Bolsonaro [5]. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:27, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk assistance requested: This case and the BDMKK case need to be merged. SacredGeometry is a much older account although his first edit was later than BDMKK's. I don't much care who is the master, but there should only be one. After merging, any userpage tags should be adjusted as appropriate.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


25 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Same behaviour, editing the same articles, same old same old. Bbb23 Sir Sputnik


Bbb23, there is ElpoepUoy (talk+ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) too. Coltsfan (talk) 01:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Blocked and tagged. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]



26 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

All of these account have already been indefinitely blocked by Ymblanter so I'm just filing this for the record. All accounts were involved in disruptive editing related to Talk:Social Liberal Party (Brazil)#Far-right category and most likely this is the master who is still evading and socking to continue their dispute over the categorization of Social Liberal Party (Brazil). Kokhba tried to pretend he was SMcCandlish with this post on the article's talk page, and the TruthShallSetYouFree showed up to try and continue the impersonation here. When I posted about this on Ymblanter's user talk and SMcCandlish's user talk, LPSikj and Oranoslob tired to remove the posts: Special:diff/Oranoslob/870688876, Special:diff/Oranoslob/870688771, Special:diff/LPSikj/870689343 and Special:diff/LPSiki/870689217. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Marchjuly: It's fine to file a report (at least for the present) for the record, but there's no point to requesting a CU when you do so. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was already checking when Bbb23 closed this. I doubt I found anything that he hadn't already looked at but I did find some connections to unblocked accounts. Here goes anyway:
  • I checked pretty thoroughly but the accounts from the report above this one did not come up, so I did not check them separately. I have blocked the unblocked accounts without tags pending behavioural investigation.
-- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • All tagged, closing. GABgab 18:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


27 November 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

A couple of more IP 49s edit warring at Category:Far-right politics in Brazil (Special:diff/49.195.159.43/870800326, Special:diff/49.181.239.5/870765010, Special:diff/49.195.141.180/870778485).

IP 49.195.177.47 also probably connected per Special:diff/49.195.177.47/870789148 since they basically reposted Special:diff/49.180.174.253/870778761.

FWIW, IPs 49.180.174.253 and 49.181.239.5 have already been blocked by Ivanvector.

Finally, I'm also going to mention this warning posted by Coltsfan at User talk:Coltsfan#Courtesy notification about IP 49s trying to hack his account and trying to continue the dispute via email. The person behind all of this is apparently vowing to never give up posted. It seems that a new IP appears as soon as one is blocked; so, maybe WP:PP will be a more effective way to at least slow this person down. Marchjuly (talk) 02:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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All blocked, closing. GABgab 03:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


27 November 2018[edit]

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Same edits to the category as the others MarnetteD|Talk 06:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I blocked them as a pretty obvious sock.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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27 November 2018[edit]

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Seems like another sock based upon Special:diff/Coltsfan22/870850996, Special:diff/Coltsfan22/870850726 and Special:diff/Coltsfan22/870850656 which attempt to continue a dispute of categorization of certain articles as "Far-right". Also, username's similarity to Coltsfan is not a coincidence. Marchjuly (talk) 12:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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28 November 2018[edit]

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Possible sock for SacredGeometry333/BDMKK|GiordanoOrion WP:DUCK. Behavioural evidence seems to indicate that. Coltsfan (talk) 09:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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  • Blocked. Will a clerk please fix the case status template? I'm on mobile and can't handle it from here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 11:20, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1 December 2018[edit]

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Another case of "better safe than sorry". Looks like a WP:DUCK. Edits in the same pages, with the same mannerisms and, despite being theoretically a newbie, shows a good knowledge of the rules, very similar to SacredGeometry333/BDMKK/GiordanoOrion. Worth checking out based on behavioural evidence. Coltsfan (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23, the WP:SPI was followed, as it has been done before here. Evidence was presented (such as behaviour), the abnormal knowledge of rules during first edit, etc. Though not necessary, in face of the behavioural evidence, here's a few diffs ([6], [7], [8]). Coltsfan (talk) 21:11, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Coltsfan: Please file these reports properly by following the instructions at WP:SPI. If you need help, ask an active clerk or me at their/my Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Blocked and tagged. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:20, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

02 December 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

IP basically admits to WP:SOCK in this edit sum. Marchjuly (talk) 04:13, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]



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02 December 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


The account was created a few minutes ago and immediately started to revert to the suspected master's version of some articles. Because Evansinca edited Gjon Kastrioti that was not part of interests of the suspected master, a CU is needed. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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All done. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


03 December 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]



Behaviour seems to indicate it's WP:SOCK to SacredGeometry333/BDMKK/GiordanoOrion. Editing the same pages (such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manuela_d%27%C3%81vila&action=history here), in the same way, etc. Coltsfan (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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04 December 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Same way of editing used by SacredGeometry333 and AloraSitri. She(or he) did very similar edits on the Patriota page ,which makes me believe that they are the same user Araukan (talk) 01:18, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Araukan instead of focusing on content is focusing on editors. Yes I am the same person of the IP, I just forgot to login. Is there any way to fix it? Anyway, he has been refuted in the talk page, removing reliable sources and claiming that 6-months old sources are outdated, replacing with a primary source to support his bias. He has an obsession with labeling articles with the "far-right" political spectrum, both here and in the Portuguese Wikipedia. So I suggest that his disruptive behavior be scrutinized. --Katydunne (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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05 December 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Another one, engaging on same behaviour ([9]). Coltsfan (talk) 23:37, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment:Do this guy even have a life ?! He just doesn't stop creating newer and newer accounts and he keeps doing the same thing over and over again ! His persistance is so weird .

Araukan —Preceding undated comment added 00:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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5 December 2018[edit]

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Same behaviour as the others. ([10], [11]) Coltsfan (talk) 23:55, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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10 December 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Same behaviour as the others. Disruptive and bias editing, in the same articles. Coltsfan (talk) 14:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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10 December 2018[edit]

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Same behaviour as the others. Disruptive and bias editing, in the same articles. WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 03:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. What are you talking about? I'm not involved with anyone else, I don't even have an account. Why are you persecuting the articles I have edited? You've been removing my reasoning even in the talk page. How can you justify this? It seems you're only engaged in war instead of focusing on content. Why are you reverting biased and unsourced material? I think the admins should have a thoroughly check on you. 144.48.165.201 (talk) 03:05, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 Looks like a duck to me Blocked but not tagged. —C.Fred (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


15 December 2018[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Same behaviour as the others. Disruptive and bias editing, in the same articles. WP:DUCK. 01:53, 15 December 2018 (UTC)Coltsfan (talk)


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Dropped a few CU blocks, with three more accounts. Sorry, can't list and tag, gotta go--Ice Age, you know. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good enough for this master. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 04:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

18 December 2018[edit]

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Same behaviour as the others. Disruptive and bias editing, in the same articles. WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 02:50, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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19 December 2018[edit]

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Same behaviour as the others, in the same articles. WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 11:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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25 December 2018[edit]

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Same behaviour as the others, in the same articles, saying the same stuff. WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 10:29, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Confirmed, blocked, closing. Bbb23 (talk) 15:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

31 December 2018[edit]

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Same behaviour as the others, in the same articles, saying the same stuff (WP:DISRUPT and vandalism). WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 12:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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2 January 2018[edit]

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The IP is a obvious WP:EVADE (WP:DISRUPT and vandalism). The others are WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 12:29, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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13 January 2018[edit]

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Clear WP:EVADE (WP:DISRUPT and vandalism). WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Eveeryone is blocked. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

22 January 2018[edit]

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Clear WP:EVADE (WP:DISRUPT and vandalism). WP:DUCK. Behavioral evidence clear, like the obsession of removing the word "far-right" from the articles. Coltsfan (talk) 11:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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23 January 2018[edit]

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Clear WP:EVADE. Coltsfan (talk) 12:34, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • IPs blocked. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) I have blocked both IPs. The sockmaster has been busy over the last couple days. A few notes:
@Lecen: you're allowed to restore edits made by a banned editor, but when you do please explain in the edit summary that that's what you're doing and leave a good explanation. Otherwise, someone looking at this on the surface is going to see you mass-reverting sockpuppet edits that have been removed by a checkuser and think you're also a sock (see WP:PROXYING). For anyone else reviewing from the sidelines here, Lecen is Red X Unrelated.
@Coltsfan: please don't repeatedly revert the sock's IPs, it makes it difficult to figure out which is the last good version to revert to. You're also in some cases restoring content that may be inaccurate. It would be better in this case to report the IP and then if the matter is not clear take it to the talk page (ping me to your talk page discussion if you like). You don't need to engage with the sock or wait for them to be blocked.
@Both: we don't need help from abusive sockpuppets and this one is particularly disruptive, but I'd like to see some discussion about the use of these "far-right" labels (and the "far-left" labels that the banned editor is retaliating with). I've reviewed a handful and found that they're not always justifiable or backed up by quality reliable sources (I see a lot of blogs and obvious POV advocacy organizations) or in fact sourced at all. Regardless of the socks' interference the back-and-forth reverting does need to stop. I'd be happy to semiprotect a subpage somewhere if you want to constructively discuss the matter without IP interference, just let me know where that's happening.

26 January 2018[edit]

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Clear WP:EVADE. (WP:DUCK). Coltsfan (talk) 02:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@GeneralizationsAreBad:, "new" editors who "know the rules" enough to engage in WP:GAME in the edit summary (other block evaders caught [12], [13], [14]), same way of writing as all the others (see the endless investigation here here), in the same articles, same wording, same reasoning. If it's a duck... Coltsfan (talk) 11:59, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]


I refuse any involvement in this, except for the fact that I was the one who used IP 201.16.148.184 to edit the article but now I’ve made an account for me. Btw, I made good faith, productive edits and this guy is reverting me for no reason! Can someone be reasonable and check my contributions? I have no intention at all to disrupt Wikipedia. I didn’t add any new information that requires a source. I even tried to get reasonings from him but nevertheless, I’m being accused of using multiple accounts ([15])? I’m not even pov pushing, I don’t have any agenda! Just tried to contribute to WP but it seems I’m not welcomed here. --~~

This may be of interest at AN3 RhinosF1 (talk) 12:36, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, for privacy I use a browser with built-in proxy. It’s not allowed? Damonshady (talk) 12:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly unrelated note, but User:ScaredGeometry333, User:ScarredGeometry333, User:SharedGeometry333, User:Brazilnut2 are all possible socks who show similarities. They are blocked indefinitely, but not tagged. Runyonn (talk) 16:44, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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27 January 2018[edit]

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More obvious WP:DUCK than this impossible. Coltsfan (talk) 12:49, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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5 February 2018[edit]

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Obvious WP:DUCK. Same behaviour, in the same pages. Coltsfan (talk) 13:02, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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20 February 2018[edit]

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Obvious WP:DUCK. Same behaviour, in the same pages. Coltsfan (talk) 11:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Leliarouse is  Confirmed along with a handful of sleepers. Correctors1289 appears Red X Unrelated but I'm leaving this open pending further investigation. Something strange is going on at Carlos Marighella and Jean Wyllys. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Closing with no further action. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

23 February 2019[edit]

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Clear WP:EVADE, as their editing suggests. WP:DUCK. Coltsfan (talk) 13:39, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • IPs both blocked, but I doubt they are related to this case. The account has made only one edit and that edit is not in the sockmaster's style. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:07, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

02 March 2019[edit]

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Courtesy filing per ANI thread - see [16], [17], [18] vs. [19], [20]. GABgab 15:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Clerk endorsed - Endorsing my own request. Thanks, GABgab 16:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Confirmed to the master

 Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 16:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Based on ptwiki contribs I would say Cfcollares is an innocent party, at least with respect to sockpuppetry. This case occasionally lassoes innocent editors. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

04 March 2019[edit]

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See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed

 Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


19 April 2019[edit]

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See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed. One was previously confirmed and blocked and the other is new. Previous socks were being globally locked which is why I listed Wavesbefit2 since it had not been.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 17:04, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


3 May 2019[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Obvious WP:DUCK. Same behaviour, in the same pages. Coltsfan (talk) 22:36, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • IP edits too old. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]