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Christianity

This article should not be deleted as it covers an existing and noteworthy subject which meets criterion for qualifying for an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgeplot (talk • contribs) 05:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All Saints Episcopal Church (San Leandro, California)

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I'm gonna say that this may not pass WP:GNG, and should be returned to a redirect to Episcopal Diocese of California or deleted. It also fails WP:CORP. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 23:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Christianity, and California. Shellwood (talk) 23:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Episcopal Diocese of California: or delete. This fails WP:NCHURCH or WP:NCORP. It, in fact, is inappropriate branch article based on WP:BRANCH. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagreed. Many prominent churches have Wikipedia pages like All Saints Episcopal Church (Pasadena, California) for example. This article is prominent because of the history referenced in several cited published works, and its latest rector who has had national and international impact in his ministry. Elijah1979 (talk) 23:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there are specific claims, comments, or content that need to be updated with sources please indicate such and the article can be improved. Elijah1979 (talk) 23:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as suggested above. A search for sources turns up only one instance of WP:SIGCOV, and it's in Episcopal News Service, which while reliable for facts is not independent and thus does not contribute to WP:GNG. Sources in the article are neither reliable nor independent. As for the comment above about All Saints Pasadena, that's a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (and All Saints Pasadena definitely meets GNG -- not all churches are the same). Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Episcopal Diocese of California: As nom. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 03:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, doesn't meet WP:NCHURCH. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helaman Jeffs

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No indication of standalone notability. Hardly any coverage of the subject; notability is not inherited. (NPP action) C F A 💬 20:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Christianity. C F A 💬 20:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Latter Day Saints-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Multiple references (already found on the article) are stating that he is claiming to be the current head of the FLDS church, I will hunt down some more sources. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 12:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really matter. There needs be significant coverage in independent, reliable sources in order to meet WP:NBASIC. C F A 💬 14:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BEC Recordings

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Article has been deleted and restored unilaterally by other editors due to debate over notability. While I believe the label is notable, I have not been able to find sourcing to support this assertion. Brining here to gain consensus on deletion or retention. glman (talk) 13:08, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Tooth & Nail Records, which I did as an WP:ATD. It wasn't deleted. Record labels are a company. Not a band and falls under WP:NCORP, not WP:NMUSIC and this label is unable to meet NCORP level of notability. Graywalls (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. The label has not been the subject of in-depth secondary sources. This webpage by christianmusicarchive.com is an exact quote of Wikipedia, so it fails WP:CIRCULAR. This page in the "person" section of CBN lacks a named author, so its reliability is questionable. It seems like BEC wrote it and CBN is hosting it. The notional topic fails WP:GNG. Binksternet (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Companies, Christianity, and United States of America. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tooth & Nail Records per a failure to demonstrate independent notability but a definite utility in retention as a plausible search item. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John W. Murray

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Nonnotable pastor. Lacking significant coverage. --Altenmann >talk 23:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I found a primary source [1] and that's about it. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Also was unable to find more references. As always, happy to change my view if an expert can fix this article. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sada-e-Umeed

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Faila NORG. The article contains WP:OR and appears promotional. This was an AfD'd in 2020 that closed as non-consensus. The only vote to keep the article had a counterargument that wasn't addressed. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 04:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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St. Vincent's Home for the Aged

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Fails NORG. The article contains WP:OR and appears promotional. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 04:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Given that there are some sources with definite SIGCOV in English plus a handful like this that provide partial coverage, I'm inclined towards keep. I'm not familiar with the local languages, but I'd hazard to guess that further RS SIGCOV exists. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Pbritti, SIGCOV doesn't exist in the local language, unfortunately. Courtesy ping @Wikibear47: to ask if they found coverage in local languages? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Not really. Its a pretty obscure place with not much coverage. Wikibear47 (talk) 06:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Can't find independent reliable coverage Wikibear47 (talk) 06:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

L'Opus Dei: enquête sur le "monstre"

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The only usable source here is La Libre, which is not sigcov and is not enough. Found 1 other journal source that looks good (though I question its independence). Redirect to author Patrice de Plunkett? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There seem to be a number of reviews and coverage in French, until we can say otherwise I think we can assume that there is enough coverage outside the english language. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Horse Eye's Back No reliable, significant ones to my awareness. None found in a search of French media sources either. Every French source used here is a blog, or passing mention. Or has no independence from the Opus Dei, which obviously has a COI here. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For context, the sources used inline are linking to the ones in the further reading. These sources are four interviews with blogs, all affiliated with Da Vinci Code conspiracies or the Opus Dei, and the brief La Libre mention. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There doesn't seem to be any coverage in French... I tried the title with "critique" or "revue critique"... you can get a thousand places to buy it, see where it's held in libraries... This was all I could find that even mentions it [2]... The subject of Ops Dei is mentioned here, but not specifically about the book [3]. Oaktree b (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b For future reference the word usually used for (well, some, typically academic reviews) book reviews in French is compte rendu. There is one review I found while searching that phrase but I think it's from an Opus Dei affiliated publication so questionable independence. Even if its not, it's only one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the correction... I'm not using my French as much as I should, it gets jumbled with the English in my head. Oaktree b (talk) 00:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recommended reading here [4], but there isn't much coverage of the book. Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thoughts on a redirect? PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose we could redirect to the author, his name comes up enough in searches. Oaktree b (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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