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Cooking utensils

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match the other sub-cats by country, and List of food preparation utensils. Note merger to this form at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 29#Category:Japanese cooking tools. – Fayenatic London 22:17, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Teens' entertainment

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All of the subcategories use "Teen" as the adjective. See related recent discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Benee

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per numerous precedent and WP:OCEPON, unnecessary eponymous category with only two subcats that are already interlinked. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Athena games

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Athena series to Category:Athena games. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:20, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant, WP:SMALLCAT, created by banned user. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:XBIZ Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete Category:XBIZ Award winners; no consensus for Category:AVN Award winners. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:14, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Please see WP:OCAWARD. The AVN one was listified and deleted in 2008 following this discussion (then recreated in 2015). Cheers, gnu57 17:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per Category:Academy Award winners. Right cite (talk) 17:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both per WP:OCAWARD. Re-listify at editors' discretion. Porn awards are not defining characteristics of notable porn topics. Winning an Academy Award gets coverage by independent reliable sources. Independent reliable sources note its significance to a film-related subject. Winning "The Oscars of Porn" generally doesn't get RS attention for an actor, filmmaker or a film, despite the tag line. • Gene93k (talk) 17:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Please see The Hollywood Reporter -- Feinberg, Scott (24 February 2017), "'Oscars of Porn' vs. the Oscars: The Surprising Similarities", The Hollywood Reporter, archived from the original on 22 November 2017 -- thank you, Right cite (talk) 18:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Oscars of Porn" a tag line, like "The Greatest Show on Earth!" The assertion doesn't reach the winners of the award. Winning an AVN or XBIZ Award is not even considered evidence of notability any more. With few exceptions, awards does not generate significant independent RS coverage for the win or the winners. • Gene93k (talk) 23:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gene93k, not true. Per example, Self Magazine, stating, "When Sinn Sage, an AVN award-winning porn performer and sex educator,...". Right cite (talk) 23:17, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to agree with this. Mainstream reliable sources often introduce someone in pornography as an AVN winner as context of their importance in the industry. See [1][2][3] Morbidthoughts (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like every award is the "Oscars of..." or "equivalent of the Baseball Hall of Fame." It's not a lie exactly but it's aspirational. No one says the Nobel Peace Prize is the Olympic medal of peace prizes. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:37, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete XBIZ/Keep but Purge AVN XBIZ doesn't come within a country mile of being defining. But, clicking through these articles, AVN does seem defining to the actors. (The AVN does not seem defining to the movie articles though, so I would purge them.) Even though I think the vast majority of existing award categories fall run afoul of WP:OCAWARD, this is a rare exception where the top award in the field is defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Even though I assume I'm the oldest Wikipedian in most discussions, I'm not mature enough for the Octomom Home Alone article. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I checked a number of articles in Category:AVN Award winners and it does not consistently come up as a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify (if necessary) and delete -- The academy awards ("oscars") and Nobel Prizes are exceptions to the general OCAWARD rule. I have been voting (often successfully) against "Hall of Fame" categories where there is no physical museum. Lists do the job much better, as they can tabulate the date and a brief citation. If this was a category of award articles, my vote would be different, but it is not. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep AVN Award winners as it is a defining characteristic for those notable in the pornographic industry. Neutral in regard to XBIZ Award winners. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the AVN Award category per those above. No opinion on the XBIZ Awards. BD2412 T 22:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both. If the awards can no longer be used to establish notability, then...no, neither are career-defining. As it has been stated in Afds, porn is an industry of circular congratulatory maneuvers to advertise themselves to the public. When it is said in the media that AVN is "the Oscars of porn", it is said with tongue firmly in cheek, if not elsewhere... Zaathras (talk) 12:49, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People who died in office

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename, but there seems to also be a consensus that Category:Politicians who died in office should be created as a subcategory. I'm not doing that with this close; any interested party can do so. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Judging by the contents and description of the category, it refers to politicians who died while holding an elected office. While I am not sure if this is defining, the title needs clarification if kept. User:Namiba 15:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dying in office of plain sickness is not very defining but we should probably discuss deletion in conjunction with its subcategories. Not sure of the rename either, how do we know if the category meanwhile does not contain a few judges, civil servants, clergy as well? I suppose the proper procedure would be to create a subcategory for politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Re deletion - see 2013 CFD (closed as No consensus). DexDor (talk) 18:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pollinator decline

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Of the articles in the category only the eponymous article is specifically about pollinator decline. The articles are all in other suitable categories. Note: The category text ("Articles related to pollinator decline, particularly in bees.") and that it was created without any parents suggests a mis-understanding of wp categorization. DexDor (talk) 12:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musicians from Amarillo, Texas

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too few articles: no need to drill down to a three-person by city category. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update: After going through all of the articles in Category:People from Amarillo, Texas, there are now 20 articles in the musicians category.--User:Namiba 16:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Malaysian Service Medal

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
The Malaysian Service Medal is automatically given to all soldiers who served 6 months or longer in one of three military campaigns. We generally avoid categorizing by campaign medals because it creates clutter for career officers. While a lot of soldiers must have received this award, the category only contains eight articles of which five actually mention the medal so I listified those here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chevening Scholars

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
Each year, the British Foreign Office issues scholarships for foreign students to study in the UK and, according to the Chevening Scholarship article, the programme started in 1983 and has given funds to over 50,000 students. Within the articles, the award doesn't seem defining and usually gets a passing reference in the education section. And these articles are already in the alumni category for whichever university this scholarship paid for. The contents are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hasan ibn Ali

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEPON, only one other article next to the eponymous article. The two articles are already interlinked directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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