Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yan Dobronosov

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The result was weak keep. (non-admin closure) Timothytyy (talk) 04:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yan Dobronosov[edit]

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Seems to be notable only for one photograph, that of the yellow kitchen. Could be merged with Mykhailo Korenovsky in order to create an article about the photograph. The photographer does not seem to be notable otherwise. Bedivere (talk) 03:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as discussed in the article about the boxing coach, there could very well likely be an article about this photo itself; we don't need one about the attack, the person that died in the attack and the person that took the photo of the attack. This isn't a Pulitzer Prize winning photographer, the rest of his work seems rather routine. Merge to an article about the yellow kitchen photo would be the best option (but it doesn't exist, yet). Oaktree b (talk) 03:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Time magazine has an article about the photograph [1], that would be the best way to tie these things together. Oaktree b (talk) 03:44, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Motivated by your comment (and my concern about losing content) I have created Ukraine Yellow Kitchen Photo to make it easier for you to !vote Merge. CT55555(talk) 01:57, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He is notable mainly for one thing, but also for other things. WP:BLP1E isn't mentioned, but it is implied, which is what I was considering before I created this one. I created it because he is notable for more than one event (helpful rubric on how to assess that here WP:NOTBLP1E.

Therefore, he passes WP:GNG due to the coverage in Time Magazine, BBC, RTL, with coverage starting before the photography that is is most noted for. CT55555(talk) 03:45, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ONEEVENT. We can be certain the picture may be notable, but not the photographer. It is not a problem to have an article for the work only but not for the photographer, it's perfectly okay, most importantly when this person is only known for that photograph, and it is not even regularly associated with his name. Bedivere (talk) 20:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. CT55555(talk) 04:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Photography and Ukraine. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Realising that we've probably all been judging this based on English language sources, I've added Ukrainian coverage, which occurred in between 2019 and 2022. Note also this November 2022 interview reported by Union of Journalists of Ukraine https://nsju.org/zhurnalisty-vazhlyvi/yan-dobronosov-nasha-robota-ne-ostannya-v-cherzi-na-peremogu/ In summary there is lot of Ukrainian coverage of his work. I think !votes made before these updates might be out of date now, hope others will reassess. CT55555(talk) 03:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relist to consider possible Merge to Ukraine Yellow Kitchen Photo.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the article on the bombing, where a couple of sentences on him, the photograph, and the coach can reside until the respective subjects' long-term impact is established enough to override NOPAGE. JoelleJay (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Definitely notable, passes WP:GNG due to the coverage in Time Magazine, BBC, RTL. GR86 (📱) 18:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
His work has been covered in such sites, but not himself personally. Notability is not inherited, too. Bedivere (talk) 23:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have you looked at the article recently? It is 280% longer than it was when you nominated it for deletion, with many pieces of significant coverage from several years worth of reporting on his work. CT55555(talk) 23:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have and my opinion is the same. Bedivere (talk) 00:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you help me understand why? Almost none of the original justification to delete the article seems remains plausible to me. He's been in various different news outlets, from different countries, for news for four separate things, over a period of years. There are multiple news articles about him. It seems clearly like a WP:GNG pass, so please tell me in what way you think it fails GNG? CT55555(talk) 00:37, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It reads like the resume of a regular, common photographer of any part of the world. Does not seem particularly noteworthy. His photograph, may be. Of course this is only my opinion and we do not have to agree. Bedivere (talk) 01:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But newspapers are writing significant coverage him many times. That makes him notable. Can you please be specific about how he fails WP:GNG? CT55555(talk) 02:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have already told you. Not one of these sources goes into specific detail (as in, main subject) about the photographer. Those who do treat Dobronosov in more detail, are about controversies and seem like yellow press. I am doubtful these are actually reliable sources. That is a no for me. Bedivere (talk) 03:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I don't think the article should actually be deleted, rather it should be merged into the yellow kitchen photo article. This person may be considered notable later and this article could easily be recreated. I wouldn't object that. Bedivere (talk) 03:35, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Time Magazine and BBC among others reported on him in 2023.

2020 reporting includes significant coverage from 24 Kanal (established 2006) https://24tv.ua/meni-pohy-shhotivvazhayesh-sluga-shevchenko-znovu-vidznachivsya_n1407048 and Vysoky Zamok (newspaper) (established 1946) https://wz.lviv.ua/news/419611-trymaisia-dobre-za-balkon-nardep-vid-sn-pohrozhuvav-parlamentskomu-fotokoru

2021 coverage includes significant coverage by Детектор медіа (a 2016 not for profit) https://detector.media/community/article/187969/2021-05-13-fotokor-bukv-povidomyv-shcho-okhoronets-medvedchuka-trymav-yogo-liktem-pid-gorlo-ta-ne-puskav-do-sudu-video/ and in Obozrevatel (founded 2007) https://news.obozrevatel.com/show/people/ukrainskij-fotograf-yan-dobronosov-rasskazal-istoriyu-kak-voditel-spas-ego-ot-okkupantov.htm

2022 sources include Institute for War and Peace Reporting (a 1991 not for profit)

I could encourage you to assess this more carefully before labelling these Yellow journalism CT55555(talk) 03:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG and otherwise is WP:BLP1E. Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Ukraine Yellow Kitchen Photo, where he is obviously mentioned. Not enough independent, in-depth coverage about him personally for a standalone article.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:59, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Due to WP:BIO1E. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The 2020 incident about his press credentials and a famous 2023 war photo would be two distinct events and surpass the 1E tests. Available sourcing seems to pass WP:GNG. The articles about the coach and/or photograph might be better suited merged here, but that's outside the scope of this AFD. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Seeking consensus between keep and redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 04:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I found a source saying that Dobronosov has a state award ([2]), maybe it can be used for WP:ANYBIO — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThegaBolt (talk • contribs) 17:54, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG and does not appear to fall under WP:1E. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources cited. the sources support notability. Myna50 (talk) 12:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious as to the participation of the last few commenters. Please note this will be resolved by the weight of arguments, not by a vote count. The person in question remains not notable enough to be eligible for an article in my opinion. Bedivere (talk) 14:49, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the sources in the article and mentioned above clearly show this meets GNG. The date range and topics from the references indicate this is not a 1E situation. // Timothy :: talk 06:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.