Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Visa policy of Somaliland

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 22:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Visa policy of Somaliland

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The coverage of this article does not appear to sufficiently justify it passing Wikipedia:General notability guidelines; In additional the article is blatant hoaxes and intended to misinform and propaganda. SultanSanaag (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This article entirely is a hoax, no significant coverage, with single poor and unreliable citation. It implies governance and jurisdiction of a recognized country which again is a complete misinformation and propaganda, it is clear that there no so such thing as Visa policy of Somaliland. All diplomatic relations and Immigration/Visa department is under Somalia a sovereign state within the International Law. HSA777 (talk) 17:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I've done a research on this topic it's a misinformation with an unreliable citation. None of the countries listed on the article have a mentioning about a separate Somaliland visa policy or have a diplomatic relations with the de-factor state of Somalia here a few examples of those states 1, 2, 3, 4 it's a hoax/misinform please delete. Don.Omaar (talk) 09:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC) — Don.Omaar (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete This article fails on both WP:OR and WP:GNG. Visa for all Somalis and the requirement are listed in detail on this article 1 or on the Somalia government website 2. Furthermore Ethiopia or any other country does not recognize Somaliland as a country see here, here there has been a plenty of other news coverages to confirm that non-existence of Somaliland and visa policy. SolidMali (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC) — SolidMali (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep It is clear that this article meets notability requirements as per WP:GNG. I have added additional reliable sources and citations demonstrating the Somaliland visa process exists and explains how visas are issued. It is clear that the Government of Somalia does not dictate Somaliland's visa process as per sources and claiming this article to be propaganda is not neutral.

Additionally, it's unusual that new users are voting to delete such an obscure article. Moreover, claiming that this article is "misinformation" and "propaganda". As per above, claiming that "plenty of other news coverages to confirm that non-existence of Somaliland..." is also unusual and the closing admin should take this into account.

Many thanks Jacob300 (talk) 20:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As explained above, I have added the following sources [1] , [2], [3] and [4] demonstrating the article's notability and verifiability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob300 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Very strange that a new editor Don.Omaar's only contribution to Wikipedia happens to fall in this AfD, just as the AfD was created. There are more than enough cited sources presented in this article to meet WP:GNG. Also 3 out of the 4 links presented by the other new editor SolidMali do not work. As for the article, more references here specify how Somaliland visas operate, or an even more in depth study from google books here . Ciiseciise007 (talk) 10:42, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Response Comment The sources and coverage provided by both keep editors are mere short-term and probably a result of the de-factor state of Somalia promotional activity these are therefore unsatisfactory as to the notability, urged is an overall WP:NRVE regardless. Futhermore, none these sources actual include a resource of Somaliland government immigration/visa policy as claimed, nor are there any from diplomatic relations of visa policy of the countries listed on the article or on those countries .gov websites included.

Consequently, it proof the point of misinformation and that the content only place of existence is Wikipedia, a clear case of political agenda of the de-factor state which itself is WP:SOAPBOX. Finally, the original editors account has been blocked indefinitely due to a confirmed WP:SOCK case, it is for this reason alone why the article entirely is a hoax/misinform and should be closed with Delete. Somalia does not have a separate visas handling for any state within the country including Somaliland as per the Somalia government website here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HSA777 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per above comments, the article appears to meet WP:GNG as there are sufficient sources cited in the article that indicate that there is a working visa policy [5] [6] [7]. I would caution other editors to maintain neutrality and refrain from using terms such as "hoax" and "propaganda". Koodbuur (talk) 12:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note This page was not properly created nor listed at AFD. I have fixed this page and am adding to today's AFD listing. ~ GB fan 10:59, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 11:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 11:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The most fervent objectors crying "hoax" and "propaganda" are all relatively new accounts who seem unable to comprehend the idea that a political entity can have policies even when it does not have international recognition as a sovereign state. Get over your nationalism, Somaliland issues visas as the sources well confirm. To say so does not mean Wikipedia is somehow endorsing separatism. -Indy beetle (talk) 23:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there is nothing to suggest that the sources are unreliable and the topic clearly meets WP:GNG. I can't see a reason for deletion Spiderone 10:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. There is a long consensus on having political and legal articles about de facto states, e.g., Politics of Transnistria and Palestinian law. Bearian (talk) 20:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Article meets GNG and there are no convincing reasons to delete. // Timothy :: talk 04:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I feel this is obviously a notable topic and it is sourced to meet WP:GNG, the "hoax" claims above seem to say that the state of Somaliland is a hoax, not that this inaccurately describes the state's visa policy. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Any amount of propaganda that is published on Wikipedia does not reflect the reality on the grounds or in Somalia as a whole. Somaliland is not recognised by any country in the world and this for last 30 years and it claims to be a defector state, which is what invalidates the Visa_policy_of_Somaliland or a process. Somaliland is a region within Somalia which already has a visa policy for it's citizen and they use the Somalia internationally recognised passport. A visa as per the article is an official document that allows the bearer to legally enter a foreign country and that something Somaliland is not so a possible case of WP:SOAPBOX.

Reply: I have no opinion on the conflict (except the violence should stop), but I see that the UAE, Belgium, the United Kingdom, France Saudi Arabia, Turkey, South Africa, Ethiopia, Djibouti, South Sudan, Zambia, and Kenya (with possibly others) accept these documents. If they are accepted for international travel, the policy of the issuing power is notable.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

^ "Somaliland Passport is now a Legal Travel Document in the UAE". Https:. Retrieved November 15, 2020.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)
^ "Somaliland: Zambia accepts Somaliland passport". Https. Retrieved November 15, 2020.
^ "Breaking News: Turkey Accepts Somaliland Passport". Https:. Retrieved November 15, 2020.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)
^ "UAE Starts accepting Somaliland Passport, The first person travels today - Horn Diplomat". Https. Retrieved November 15, 2020.

Delete As per the original research, this article has many issues as already mentioned above and the citation references provided are all from an opinion based platforms such as wordpress/blogs etc. Please remove it.Sonkoor (talk) 18:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] "Somaliland Passport is now a Legal Travel Document in the UAE". Https:. Retrieved November 15, 2020.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

[2] "Somaliland: Zambia accepts Somaliland passport". Https. Retrieved November 15, 2020.

[3] "Breaking News: Turkey Accepts Somaliland Passport". Https:. Retrieved November 15, 2020.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

[4] "UAE Starts accepting Somaliland Passport, The first person travels today - Horn Diplomat". Https. Retrieved November 15, 2020.

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