Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas pride

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Texas pride[edit]

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Creative essay fails WP:NOTESSAY, WP:NOTOPINION, and WP:OR. In desperate need of WP:TNT KidAd talk 08:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 08:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 08:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Merge Could be moved to a subsection in a Texas article, I don't see enough discussion in peer-reviewed journals to make it warrant an article. Oaktree b (talk) 15:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: fails NOR and SIGCOV but article may be kept if these issues are rectified. The Ace in Spades (talk) 12:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC) — The Ace in Spades (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talk • contribs). [reply]
Keep per Don't mess with Texas unless you've done a BIG Interweb search. Seriously, folks, at worse this could be merged, but there's certainly lots of sources available, and its okay that not all of them are peer-reviewed. Bearian (talk) 22:13, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/TNT I think people of many place are prideful of where they come from, but this essay for a student project, per the creator's userpage, is largely WP:Synthesis combining historical tidbits and things Texans do. Culture of Texas is a possible merge target for some points in the last section but even if the concept of patriotism for a particular state is notable, this needs to be restarted. Reywas92^Talk 01:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. While it might be possible to create a legitimate article about any sort of "geography-based pride," this is an essay that is poorly written ("A picture perfect family like [the Ewings from Dallas], tied directly to Texas, furthers the Texas superiority stereotype and fuels Texas pride." Seriously?) and uses sources that are tangentially related at best (the "Events" section contains nothing directly related to the crux of the article), with lots of synthesis. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have stricken my !vote; see below. --Kinu ^t/_c 00:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article is poor but not poor enough that it has to be nuked. Texas having its own pseudo-national identity is a very well known phenomenon.★Trekker (talk) 19:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Though it does not presently contain anything about "Texas pride" as it is used here, Texas#Texas self-perception exists and may be a viable target for a merge (if anything is salvageable) and redirect. --Kinu ^t/_c 21:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have deleted a large portion of superfluous and grandiose text from the lead and first section and changed the language in the other sections. The latter sections of the article are well written and referenced. If the lead and first section could have more references added I see no valid reason for this article to be deleted. Shabidoo | Talk 16:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The children who grow up learning to take such pride in their state grow up to be adults who continue to push the 'Texas is the best' narrative. This cycle continues and as a result, Texans, as a whole, outwardly portray immense amounts of state pride." Despite the cleanup attempt, we still have fluff like this. The Media section is barely sourced and almost superfluous, and the Events section is almost completely so. I stand by my !vote that this is not an encyclopedia article. It's WP:SYNTH at best. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I find your position a little extreme. Please help by improving the article, finding better sources and adding material. Shabidoo | Talk 20:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've attempted my own clean up of this article, and have stricken my !vote from above, as the change in tone of the article from both your and my edits since my comment to you have effectively changed the article to a point where it is not an overly-flowery essay anymore. I suppose I was discouraged by the state of the article at first, but removing the synthesis and other unsupported material seems to make this viable. I do not think deletion is necessary at this time; worst case scenario, a merge somewhere such as to Culture of Texas would be appropriate if it is determined that not enough material exists for a standalone article. However, I will abstain from !voting as I do not want to sound immodest as to the usefulness of the changes that I've made. --Kinu ^t/_c 00:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You did a good job at helping rescue the article. Thanks!! Shabidoo | Talk 16:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: I have WP:SYNTH concerns about this article, particularly that most of the sources don't actually mention "Texas pride" but only various specific manifestations of Texas pride. However, I don't think this concern is significant enough for me to oppose the article's existence, considering the inclusion of these two sources: 1,2. --1990'sguy (talk) 04:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:19, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Articles requiring improvement and articles requiring deletion are different categories. The partially separate identity of Texas on the national scale of the United States is a notable and relevant topic, even if the article in question could use a cleanup. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 15:37, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge a basic sourced stub into Culture of Texas. Agree with nom, this is WP:OR, WP:SYNTH essay and the sources do not address the subject directly or indepth. Both the target article and sourced content will be improved through a selective merge. If the merged section every expands with sourced content showing notability for a stand alone article and meets SPLIT, it can be split. The name of the article is somewhat problematic, I assumed this was about an LGBTQ event, any redirect should take this into account. // Timothy :: talk 15:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge some of the content into Culture of Texas. Elassint ^Hi 16:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.