Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of countries by number of Fields Medalists

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The result was keep with no prejudice towards a subsequent merge discussion for which consensus (or not) can be established outside of AfD. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of countries by number of Fields Medalists

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Doesn't meet WP:LISTN or WP:GNG. Has been in CAT:NN for over 3 years; hopefully we can now resolve it one way or the other. Boleyn (talk) 10:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is rather like List of countries by number of Nobel laureates. It's just nationalist bragging but that's what people do. The worst case would be merger into Fields Medal per WP:ATD-M. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I find this list, along with most lists, to be too long to add into the main article, and in this case, as it is not even a very helpful list, I don't consider it a good ATD. Boleyn (talk) 12:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into the main Fields Medal article; that would also resolve the issues flagged (refimprove and dupe). Or if it's considered too long for merging (per previous comment), then keep as is. I don't think we need to worry about WP:GNG etc. considerations as the information already exists and is supported in other articles. And 'nationalist bragging' or not, I think this sort of ranking does add value. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The number of field medals by countries is a notable subject, as being refered to in many studies of educational systems. More specifically US and France have almost the same number of Field medals despite their dramatically different population size. There are many studies (I have no reference under hand) that have considered this phenomenon in relation with educational systems. D.Lazard (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Redundant with information in the Fields Medal article. If anyone wants to make nationalist noise about mathematics, then they can demonstrate how much they truly care about it by counting. If there's legitimate academic work on the geographic distribution of Fields Medals, it can be summarized at Fields Medal without using any content from this list. XOR'easter (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The nom claims this fails WP:LISTN, which states "a list topic is considered notable...if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." Such discussions are easily found, e.g. The Routledge International Companion to Gifted Education, The Nobel-prize Awards in Science as a Measure of National Strength in Science, The Mathematical Intelligencer, Mathematics — The Music of Reason. pburka (talk) 18:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Easily contained or summarized at Fields Medal, which already has the primary information. Reywas92^Talk 05:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
delete frivolous, and does not contain any information not already on the article for the Fields medal. If there's serious work on the impact of educational systems (or whatever else) on the number of Fields medals then it probably belongs on a more serious page. jraimbau (talk) 15:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Kj cheetham (talk) 13:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: per pburka (and good work there). While it's true that the Fields Medal is a highly notable honor, and the list of honorees is in the main article, that's definite proof that the nationalist concept has received coverage. Ravenswing 14:53, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep based on sources found by pburka. I also note there is a List of Fields Medal winners by university affiliation too, so the winners are listed in various places. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Category:Fields_Medalists shows there are two other lists with the information: List of Fields Medal winners by university affiliation and List of Fields medalists affiliated with the Institute for Advanced Study. I don't think these list would all fit in the main article. News media that announces the winner mention what country they are from. Dream Focus 15:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Fields Medal article. Merged article will not be too long and having it there will help address the issues article tags. // Timothy :: talk 15:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge into the Fields Medal article. I think merging it is a completely reasonable option. If it won't fit into the article, then that's a problem with the article that needs to be dealt with. It doesn't mean this shouldn't be merged though. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.