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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Good luck to those editors wanting to improve this article! Liz Read! Talk! 02:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hobie Cat

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Not seeing notability for this boat builder, the only decent source is the obit for the company's founder. The rest of the sources appear to be hobbyist websites. There are none found in RS that I see either. Not meeting CORP. Oaktree b (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Following the lead right above me, I've also placed a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California. This might take a little time to find the sourcing. Hobie Cat Company Information can easily been found with a search, but it's own site is on some sort of WP blacklist and can't be saved on an edit. It's a notable company, definitely, based in San Diego, CA. You might even call it a hobbyist success story. The company has been in business over half a century, which is incredible. But the trick will be to find the sourcing.— Maile (talk) 02:32, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think sheer volume of the 7,969 search results through California Digital Newspaper Collection are pretty impressive. Some are company ads, but it appears the majority are articles focusing coverage on competitive racing, etc. Even if some coverage is the mention of one or more Hobie Cat entries, non-notable institutions would not garner this amount of coverage. "Results 1 to 20 of 7,969 for Hobie Cat — California Digital Newspaper Collection". cdnc.ucr.edu. Retrieved 6 July 2023. — Maile (talk) 11:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep on the basis that the boat(s) are well-known and influential (through innovation). It seems to be easy to find reviews of these boats by yachting journalists, for instance [1]. Regarding the blacklisting of a source (above), you can get blacklisting removed or modified for a particular article, presuming you have a good reason. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 08:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it needs pointing out, but there is a brief account of the company and their boats in the boat review link given immediately above. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - a quick search will show that this company is one of the world's most prolific boat builders and there are many refs available. The article needs expanding, not deleting. - Ahunt (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep per above. Okoslavia (talk) 22:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm hearing a lot of keep votes based on name recognition and assertion that WP:SOURCESEXIST. Would like to see more concrete examples.-KH-1 (talk) 11:57, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as Wikipedia Library also turns up a large number of feature articles on the company and its boats. There really is so much coverage that it will take days to sort through it all and choose the best of the best – time that would generally be better spent improving the article first. (Will try to circle back with some examples before the week is up but also trying not to overcommit.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
'''Keep with revised lede'': Hobey Cats are a major class of recreational boats, with a worldwide sailing associations and championship racing. [https://hobieclass.com/]. However, the article lede needs to be revised to reflect the article's contents which are NOT about the company, but about the boat classes. For example
''Hobie Cats are a range of over a dozen classes of sailing catamaran, generally small, notably used for competitive racing. They are manufactured by the Hobie Cat Company which also makes surfboards, sailboats, kayaks, stand-up paddle boards, and pedalboards. The company was founded in 1961 by Hobart Alter, who originally manufactured surfboards." Rick Jelliffe (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
'''Keep'': Why is the largest catamaran brand in the world with literally 10 of thousands of boats produced and multiple world championships held in there equipment ever nominated for deletion. Yachty4000 (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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