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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Comoros at the 2004 Summer Olympics. There is consensus (in terms of both numbers and strength of argument) that Djaffar isn't notable, and there's been no explicit opposition to redirecting as an alternative to deletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hadhari Djaffar[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Africa. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I'd think 3-time Olympian, multiple national record holder and Olympic flag bearer would passe GNG. Should expect offline sources, their local (including Arabic) newspapers. Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete. Holding a national record for a tiny island nation in the Indian Ocean is not an independent basis for notability. Nor is mere participation in the Olympics. WP:SPORTBASIC provides: "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Cbl62 (talk) 14:57, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Arabic or French... Strange that there's no Arabic Wiki or French Wiki article for him. I take exception to the "tiny island nation" comment, I'd rather Keep because it's a nation, but if no one actually finds more sources I'm sure he'll be nominated for deletion again. DavidLeeLambert (talk) 12:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @DavidLeeLambert:: Not sure why "tiny island nation" is objectionable. Comoros has a total of only 719 sq mi of total land area on three islands, slightly smaller than the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, another geographically tiny nation state. Did I miss something? Has the word "tiny" become offensive? Would "very small" be more acceptable? Also, do you have an actual policy-based reason for your "keep" vote? Cbl62 (talk) 23:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Wikipedia's well-known systemic bias against places like Comoros is evident in this and other recent nominations. If a multiple Olympian and national record-holding track and field star from an African country isn't considered notable because online, largely western sources haven't covered them, that is not a good reason to erase their biography. It should be a call to action to fix the guidelines (which is what they are) and to re-evaluate Wikipedia as a project.--User:Namiba 15:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    ... or, alternatively, it could be a call to action to search for off-line sources to support the article. Cbl62 (talk) 16:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Though, to do that, whatever user wanting to save this article would have to learn a new language, spend thousands to fly to Comoros, and search their library archives, all in a week. I'd say re-evaluating the notability guidelines would be a better idea. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - WP:Bias - It's Comoros, which has its own language that none of us know. They aren't going to have national newspapers archived online for us and none of us live there. I'd be shocked if we even had a couple of regular contributors from Comoros. Beyond that, he's an olympian and a multi-time record holder in his country.KatoKungLee (talk) 16:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@KatoKungLee: I disagree, this person would not be notable no matter their country of origin; a US or European athlete also has to pass WP:NTRACK and WP:GNG. --hroest 23:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Editors are certainly welcome to propose changes to our notability guidelines in the appropriate forums, but until then there's global consensus that this article "must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources".
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete per WP:NTRACK, it seems they never finished in the top 8 as required by guidelines. Applying objective guidelines to all athletes independent of country of origin is not WP:BIAS, but rather the opposite. --hroest 20:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails GNG, BIO, NSPORTS. Sources in article are not IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS, only blogs, stats, db entries. BLPs need clearly Ind RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notabilty to avoid abuse.  // Timothy :: talk  22:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Notability requires actual proof that SIGCOV sources exist, not just the assertion that they're probably out there, and right now we have no coverage whatsoever aside from a statistics page. –dlthewave ☎ 01:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect to Comoros at the 2004 Summer Olympics (because he was flagbearer in that year) with remaining information, incl the other two 2000 Olympics which he also took part in, in a footnote. Ingratis (talk) 07:02, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
already merged, actually. Ingratis (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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