Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank de Jong

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The result was keep. Tone 09:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Frank de Jong[edit]

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Though the article is lengthy the subject fails WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG. The sources are mostly links to Green Party pages or official returns from Elections Canada or Elections Ontario. Interestingly, de Jong is no longer leader of the Yukon Green Party yet there don't seem to be any media articles stating this. Sowny (talk) 02:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Frank de Jong is the former leader of the Green Party of Ontario which holds a seat in the Ontario Legislature. He is also the former or current leader of the Yukon Green Party, the fourth largest party in Yukon based on the last election there. The nominator has obviously made no attempts to review or locate any WP:RS concerning de Jong. If they had, they would have easily found extensive coverage including:

This article should be kept though, like many, it could use some improvement including some clarity about de Jong's current status with the Yukon Greens. The party website still lists him as the leader (though under a heading that says 2016 election): [15]. Elections Yukon says the leadership is vacant without any clarification: [16].--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the Green Party won a seat under someone else later on doesn't make de Jong retroactively notable. Sowny (talk) 04:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that is like your opinion man. It is clear the media take de Jong and the Yukon Greens seriously. During the last election, he attended leaders debates (also see [17] and [18]).--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 09:15, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So did Mackenzie Thomason yet you are AFDing that article. Sowny (talk) 14:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 04:38, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 04:38, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Deletion alerts! at WikiProject Green Politics.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 04:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete I looked over the sources provided by Darryl Kerrigan and all of them except for one seem to be extremely brief mentions and about other things. Except for one article that was about a failed campaign. Which I don't think is enough to pass the general notability guidelines or the one for politicians. Unfortunately, being the leader of a political party isn't enough either. That said, I don't have anything against the article being recreated if he does something notable enough for Wikipedia's standards in the future. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:54, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That really isn't an accurate summary of the sources. The first CBC source, titled "Green Party's Frank de Jong asks Yukoners to follow their green conscience" is entirely focused on de Jong. The CTV and Toronto Star are about him stepping down as Ontario leader and his legacy, but both of the Yukon News articles are profiles (specifically about him). The Klondike Sun one is reporting following a detailed interview with him. The others generally cover campaigns he ran, and the policies he was advancing as Green Leader. I don't think it is fair to describe that all as "brief mentions... about other things".--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 09:15, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair I did say there was an article about his failed campaign. It is an interview though and interviews don't usually work toward notability since they are primary sources. Which goes for the other interview also. Those aside, articles that "generally cover campaigns he ran, and the policies he was advancing" don't work for notability either. Since there is no specific notability guidelines for campaign aids or policy "advancers" (whatever that means). AfDs aren't just about "sources." Maybe read through WP:AADD. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: "Frank de Jong: 'I'm green with jealousy'" in the Yukon News is about de Jong's work and his party, with a few brief quotes; it's not an interview. "Yukon Greens run record number of candidates" is about de Jong's work leading the party, and his influence on the party's positions. He passes GNG. — Toughpigs (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He was the leader of the Yukon Green Party. So its pretty expected that he'd be covered by a Yukon news outlet. A local politician getting local coverage doesn't make them notable. Whereas, the second source is clearly an interview. Adamant1 (talk) 21:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- He's been the leader of two provincial/territorial green political parties and has extensive coverage in the media. Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:11, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources show he squeaks past the GNG / BASIC criteria -' '"If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" // Timothy :: talk 06:35, 22 September 2020 (UTC) [reply]

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