Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FIBA Intercontinental Cup Decisive Game Top Scorer

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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FIBA Intercontinental Cup Decisive Game Top Scorer

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Fails WP:LISTN as independent reliable sources do not discuss this group. —Bagumba (talk) 11:28, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article does have independent sources in it. There are multiple sources from news sites and websites that have absolutely nothing to do with FIBA.Bluesangrel (talk) 12:25, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point out the independent, reliable sources that talk about this grouping? Otherwise, the list is WP:OR about an undefined term—"Decisive Game", an unsourced claim that "Top Scorer" is an actual award, and a group of people collected from individual box scores and not prose about the grouping itself.—Bagumba (talk) 12:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Certainly no indication that it is a real "award" as claimed. Nigej (talk) 16:07, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is absolutely a real award. All through the history of FIBA the top scorer of finals game has been an award. It predates all MVP awards. And even at FIBA's official site, it lists the award for recent tournaments ---> [1] and [2] This is the most standard and original award for all FIBA events, including this one. In fact, FIBA's archive used to list all the top scorers of the tournament, but somehow it seems that page got deleted, and now just the recent tournaments are listed. However, the award always existed, just as it did with all FIBA awards, and predates any MVP awards from FIBA.Bluesangrel (talk) 21:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FIBA listing a leader of a stat does not automatically make it an award. Is there a trophy? A certificate? Ceremony? And where is the independent coverage that talks about multiple "winners" at the same time, as WP:LISTN requires?—Bagumba (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's an award. For decades FIBA gives the award for top scorer of finals. OK, you won't let it be a separate article because of multiple winners being listed somewhere - it used to be there were some, I guess they got deleted. Anyway, now you should not change that to argue it isn't a real award. Just delete this, and I will merge it back into the article.Bluesangrel (talk) 21:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You still haven't demonstrated that its a real award, rather than just an interesting statistic. It's difficult to make a better decision about this until we know the answer. Nigej (talk) 11:00, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 21:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Cubbie15fan (talk) 21:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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