Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Wayne Smith (3rd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to Anna Nicole Smith. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:34, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Wayne Smith[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO. This article is basically a coatrack for a lot of stuff about his mother. 3/4 of it isn't even about him. Here's what we know about him: 1) his mother was famous, 2) He appeared on her reality TV show a handful of times, 3) He died of an overdose. Notability is not established, nor even a valid claim of notability made here. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 02:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete coverage is all about her other daughter and mentions this person in passing. Nothing found for him in RS. Oaktree b (talk) 02:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete per above. CastJared (talk) 04:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Texas. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Strong oppose deletion~~See new vote below. Maybe a case of WP:1E, but wait, why is there a strong delete? Numerous sources provide coverage for his death (Oaktree b I doubt if you even read all of the 26 sources as you replied just 7 minutes after the nomination, and four minutes after your last edit?!?), so I don't understand what "a lot of stuff about his mother" and "3/4 of it isn't even about him" from the nomination's statement mean. The sources are written in the perspective of his mother just because he's dead, not only because she is famous. "Smith's son" refers to the subject so I don't understand why the nominator said "3/4 of it isn't even about him". The best option I believe is to keep it, or if anyone opposes merge this article (especially the section about the will) to his mother's per WP:1E. Don't hastily delete an article with so much useful information and sources. Oaktree b and CastJared, I would suggest you two to read the previous nomination first if it is not the first nomination. Timothytyy (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
His mother was famous and he died. Where is the notability? The first AfD (from 2006!) is not helpful at all, as most of the comments are along the lines of this Keep. If for nothing more than the irony of his death.. Stuff like that doesn't fly in 2023. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 13:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Balph Eubank Can you explain on sources 2,3,4,5,6,9,10,11,15 and 16? Source's titles containing "Anna's son" does not indicate that the article is not about the subject. I did not mean that the previous nominations were useful, I was just curious about how a user concluded that all of the 23 sources do not contribute to GNG 7 minutes after the nomination and 4 minutes after the user's last edit. The user could have looked into previous nominations for reference instead of storming out a stance. Timothytyy (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is "stoming", my position is well-considered, calmly-presented and based on guidelines. See also WP:ONUS WP:BURDEN. We still don't know anything about Daniel except that he was Anna Nicole Smith's son and that he died of a drug overdose. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 16:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He's riding on the coat-tails of his mother and I can't find articles about him in detail. I don't take an hour to analyze sources in detail. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And frankly you do this long enough you get to know which sources are useless just by looking at them quickly. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Daniel's death was already explained in Wiki article about Anna Nicole. He was not a public figure; celebrity in his own right. Dekker2 (talk) 17:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Linearvector (talk) 16:57, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as Dekker2 above mentions - he was not a public figure Nashu2k (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I voted for strong oppose deletion above, I now vote for merging to Anna Nicole, his mother. There are many pieces of useful information in the article so please don't remove them. Please check my previous vote for justifications. Thank you. Timothytyy (talk) 12:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is very confusing and gives the appearance of a double vote. Please remove this and instead strike your original vote and amend it with your new position. Thank you. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 12:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any contradictions between "strong oppose deletion" and "merging"? I already suggested merging in my previous vote. Also I used "comment" instead; closers should definitely notice the "above" in my comment if they read it. Anyway I have stricken my original vote. However my stance is still the same, so my previous justifications are still valid. Timothytyy (talk) 09:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Many Hollywood actors, politicians, etc. lost their family members i.e. John Travolta's son Jett died in 2009 aged 16. (He didn't have his own Wikipedia article.) The death of DS was thoroughly explained in ANS article (no need for puffery, or non encyclopedic, lurid details of his death). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavalooma (talk • contribs) 16:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting this discussion. While it might seem like a slam-dunk, most of the Delete voters are editors with low edit counts and so not much familiarity with AFD. I'd like to see more investigation and evaluation of existing sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Anna Nicole Smith. This article includes pertinent info about Daniel's unfortunate death, but Daniel himself wasn't independently notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Funcrunch (talk) 20:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also be fine with this article being deleted, FWIW. Funcrunch (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
merge per Funcrunch Bedivere (talk) 02:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

merge After all, if the page is gone it will still be a redirect to Anna's page. igordebraga ≠ 13:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For further input…
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Anna Nicole Smith, from my Google search I found he has coverage though riding under the umbrella of the mother popularity but that didn't get him anywhere near him been notable but gots coverage national and international mostly because of his death, that alone deserves to be reserved and not be deleted.Epcc12345 (talk) 23:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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