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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to The Troggs. There were numerous weak keep options, and while sourcing was declared to be adequate by some, no one disputed that it concerned the band rather than the subject individually, or were interviews/reviews that did not go to establish notability. In this instance I considered the merge/redirect non-votes as a group to conclude a rough consensus exists the article should not be kept, and closed merge to give editors a chance to salvage any material appropriate for The Troggs. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 12:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Britton (musician)[edit]

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Contested redirect - not enough in-depth coverage to show he meets notability. Which was a bit surprising. Draftify might be an option, if someone wants to work on this, but can't find enough in-depth coverage. Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and England. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:08, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to The Troggs per WP:MUSICBIO as a musician primarily notable for their work with one band. While the article includes descriptions of a solo career, this material is exclusively cited to Discogs listings that do not demonstrate notability. While it's possible that the 1969 solo album may be found notable with reference to contemporary offline reviews, the rest of the description (a smattering of individual songs on compilation albums) does not suggest that substantial coverage of Britton is likely to exist offline. signed, Rosguill talk 17:11, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Chris Britton, although he is not the most notable person to surpass Wikipedia:MUSICBIO, has done a lot more than fellow Trogg members Pete Staples and Ronnie Bond. In comparison, Britton has done a lot more in the industry than Staples and Bond. You've stated that "Redirect to The Troggs per WP:MUSICBIO as a musician primarily notable for their work with one band.", yet P.S and R.B are only primarily known for their work with one band, what makes them so special to have one? The majority of Ronnie Bond's article is just stating what hits the band had. I did a little counting, and out of the 157 biographical words (excluding headings, references, discography etc.) on Bond's article, 93 consisted of only Troggs songs and their chartings, leaving only 64 words explaining Bond's personal life (less than 50%). Bond didn't do anything outside of the Troggs, but he has an article, Staples, though he has recorded solo releases, gets one, so why doesn't Britton? Chris' article has more information and references (excluding the discogs references), so, personally, I do believe Chris Britton is capable enough of owning his own article, just like the other three. Foox123456789 (talk) 01:32, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Other stuff exists, those articles should probably be converted to redirects too. Unless there's RS coverage of their non-Troggs material. signed, Rosguill talk 16:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep Seems to be sufficiently sourced. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep did find a staff review of his solo album at AllMusic here, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If the opening statement of the one piece of coverage of Britton outside the context of The Troggs is Chris Britton's rare solo album sounds much like you would expect if you're familiar with his very occasional singing and songwriting outings within the Troggs, I think the case for independent notability is extremely flimsy. signed, Rosguill talk 04:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep based on existing sources. Pershkoviski (talk) 02:57, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional input is needed, since most of the keep votes are "weak", and editors do not seem entirely convinced.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I was able to find a few additional sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. I don't really see any justification for deleting the article when he is clearly famous enough that he is likely to be searched for on Wikipedia; this page should at least redirect to The Troggs. JMB1980 (talk) 23:09, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's either a Redirect or a stand-alone article, JMB1980. -The Gnome (talk) 09:18, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with either keeping the article or converting to a redirect, but there are more than enough sources to show the article shouldn't be deleted. JMB1980 (talk) 00:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The point the Gnome was trying to make is that no one in this discussion has suggested deletion yet; you're arguing against a non-existent perspective. The nominator could have been a little more explicit about their perspective, but it's fairly obvious that they're advocating for redirection given their prior edits to the page and the lack of any evidence to the contrary. signed, Rosguill talk 18:31, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This coverage does not demonstrate independent notability--100% of it is in the context of The Troggs. signed, Rosguill talk 16:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge downsized version to Troggs: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. Rosguill's reasoning is solid. I wanted to keep this, but the sources are not there. Subject is notable due to their involvement in the band and not solo. The above Keep votes (one exception, see below) are based on opinions and OTHERSTUFF exists, citing no policy, guideline, or sources. BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). ILIKEIT doesn't cut it.
Source eval from above:
Merge is a good alternative to deletion.  // Timothy :: talk  18:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero Parlez Moi 09:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge As per the reasoning of Rosguill and Timothy. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect as suggested and a good compromise. The band was huge in the day, but unless you're a fan, a short summary (with all the citations) is probably enough for our core readership. Bearian (talk) 14:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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