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A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For cleaning up Vegan Friendly, making it an easy AfD close, have a barnstar. And some rice pudding. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @Ritchie333! And sorry I didn't see this earlier, not sure how I missed it! valereee (talk) 20:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Susanna and the Elders in art

On 10 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Susanna and the Elders in art, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Artemisia Gentileschi produced the first of her four renderings of Susanna and the Elders (pictured) at the age of 17, shortly before she accused two well-respected older men of rape? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Susanna and the Elders in art. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Susanna and the Elders in art), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Hook update
Your hook reached 11,966 views (997.2 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of June 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:18, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @Theleekycauldron! For an art hook, I think that's great! valereee (talk) 20:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 25, 2022)

Hello, Valereee. The article for improvement of the week is:

Pork tenderloin

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Bulletproofing • Squash (sport)

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Draft:LÀCRIMA DAIRY

Hello Valereee,

I see that you left a comment at Draft:LÀCRIMA DAIRY saying that the draft needs to be salted as it has been deleted and recreated with advertising content numerous times already. If it is suitable I can go ahead and delete and salt the draft. JIP | Talk 20:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey, @JIP! That would be great! There are I believe multiple spellings...LACRIMA DAIRY, I think. And maybe several La Crima Dairy versions. Although we can just salt them as they reappear, I guess, they're on multiple radar screens now. Apparently this one has been attempted multiple times over the past few years. valereee (talk) 20:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
The draft should have been deleted and salted now. JIP | Talk 20:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello Valereee,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

Backlog drive

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.

TIP – New school articles

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.

Misc

There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:

Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 12662 articles, as of 22:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Question from NeverTry4Me (12:29, 22 June 2022)

Hello, are you still my mentor as I see in my "Mentor" box?

Can you please review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyotirmay_Chakravarty which was accepted AFC submission? --- Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 12:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hm, @NeverTry4Me, I shouldn't be! I don't believe I'm signed up for that! valereee (talk) 15:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Hm, yeah...I do not know why that is showing up like that. I'll go see if I can figure it out. valereee (talk) 15:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
@Valereee: this:
NeverTry4Me Hm...well, I've rechecked the list at [1] and I do not appear to be on it. Not sure what's going on, but I've reported the problem over there.
W/re: Jyotirmay Chakravarty, I'm afraid that Indian politicians is not a subject I have any expertise in at all, and Indian sources are extremely tricky to deal with if you aren't familiar with them, but if you want to point out which three sources you believe are the best for supporting notability, I'll take a look. Because my first question is always "Is this subject actually notable?" valereee (talk) 16:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
@Valereee yes the subject is notable as a Director General level police officer but he went for voluntary retirement with dissatisfaction over promotions are handled by politicians. His last posting was India level police officer. And he worked for India level agencies like the National Security Guard, Special Protection Group, SSB, Special Branch. Also, he handled many top investigation during his tenure. The bellow 4 citation cover's him as a non-ordinary police officer.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/people-like-praveen-togadia-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-come-tarun-gogoi/articleshow/46217965.cms
https://indianexpress.com/article/north-east-india/assam/assam-ipr-director-arrested-for-rs-30-cr-publicity-scam-of-congress-regime/
https://assamtribune.com/police-commissioner-to-take-oath-today
https://theshillongtimes.com/2017/11/07/assams-ipr-director-arrested-in-connection-with-financial-scam/ - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 00:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
@NeverTry4Me, to me these look like:
The Economic Times: bare mention
Indian Express: bare mention
Assam Tribune: sigcov
Shillong Times: bare mention
So for me it looks like we shouldn't have even decided this subject is notable. C1K98V, what was your thinking on notability? valereee (talk) 00:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Also what about this: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/Togadia-not-allowed-to-address-VHP-meet-in-Guwahati/article60122588.ece?homepage=true ? - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 00:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
@NeverTry4Me What about it? It's another source that mentions the article subject ONCE: the definition of a bare mention. I asked for the three that proved notabilility. I've seen ONE that could possibly be among those three. valereee (talk) 00:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
@Valereee I have added citations as per the article's claim. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 00:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
@NeverTry4Me, I'm sorry, not following? valereee (talk) 18:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
@Valereee I assume the subject is notable, their is ample sources available to prove notablity. The way it is being written is a bit of concern to me, so what I can suggest you @NeverTry4Me if you can take references from other indian police officer article and work on the issue listed about this article. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 11:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
@C1K98V I have reverted all new edits and taken back to the revision of your AFC acceptance. From now on, I won't touch the article. Hope that will solve the issue. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 11:41, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Women in Green - July GA Editathon

Hello Valereee:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Editathon event in July 2022!

Running from July 1 to 31, 2022, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event focused on the topic of women and the environment. Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works during the event period (with an emphasis on environmental links and topics). GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to receive a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Alanna the Brave (talk) 13:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

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This week's article for improvement (week 26, 2022)

These flaming cocktails illustrate that some liquors can readily catch fire and burn.
Hello, Valereee. The article for improvement of the week is:

Liquor

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Pork tenderloin • Bulletproofing

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Women in Red in July 2022

Women in Red July 2022, Vol 8, Issue 7, Nos 214, 217, 234, 235


Online events:


See also:


Other ways to participate:

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--Lajmmoore (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Bruxton has given you a LOLipop! This horrible pun and delicious candy promotes WikiLove and tells the world how low you will stoop for the sake of humor. Spread WikiLove by giving someone else a lollipop, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Keep on making this place better! Have a lollipop first. Bruxton (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @Bruxton! Was there anything in particular? :D valereee (talk) 22:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Spread the unrelenting joy of lollipops by adding {{subst:Lollipop}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

your DYK work Bruxton (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh, thank you! valereee (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Trust in the CDC ←2018

Watched The Darkest Minds on Sunday, had a good time, thanks for the recommend. It was super dumb, but also fun, and surprisingly heartfelt.

Observations:

  • Kids in concentration camps being abused by armed men and women — what is this, an ICE documentary? Yikes!
  • A black female protagonist in a film not centred on black people (or her own blackness)? Wow.
  • The demography doesn't make sense! From potential tens of millions of affected persons, to, what, 50?
  • She's orange (only one, except for the <spoilers>), so if the resistance makes her an agent, I hope she won't be called Agent Orange (←this is a dumb joke).
  • Reds = fire? They seem like a pleasant enough bunch. Also, where did they come from?
  • "Trust in the CDC" — don't mind if I do ('ish). Still waiting for the booster data for ages 18-48, btw. Oh well, maybe next decade...

El_C 12:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

hahahahaha...yep, all those things! valereee (talk) 12:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!

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WikiCup 2022 July newsletter

The third round of the 2022 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 180 points, which is a lower figure than last year when 294 points were needed to progress to round 4. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

  • Zulu (International Code of Signals) BennyOnTheLoose, with 746 points, a tally built both on snooker and other sports topics, and on more general subjects.
  • Kingdom of Scotland Bloom6132, with 683 points, garnered mostly from "In the news" items and related DYKs.
  • Sammi Brie, with 527, from a variety of submissions related to radio and television stations.

Between them contestants achieved 5 featured articles, 4 featured lists, 51 good articles, 149 DYK entries, 68 ITN entries, and 109 good article reviews. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

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This week's article for improvement (week 27, 2022)

Hello, Valereee. The article for improvement of the week is:

Sexual abuse

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Liquor • Pork tenderloin

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).

Technical news

  • user_global_editcount is a new variable that can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users. (T130439)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • The New Pages Patrol queue has around 10,000 articles to be reviewed. As all administrators have the patrol right, please consider helping out. The queue is here. For further information on the state of the project, see the latest NPP newsletter.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:29, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Tie Sing

You might find this article I just accepted interesting. S0091 (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@S0091, oh, definitely, thanks! valereee (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 28, 2022)

Temperature map of the United States during the Great Blizzard of 1899
Hello, Valereee. The article for improvement of the week is:

Great Blizzard of 1899

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Sexual abuse • Liquor

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This Month in GLAM: June 2022



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  • Australia report: A celebration, a commitment, an edit-a-thon: Know My Name returns for 2022
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  • Italy report: Opening and closing projects in June
  • Kosovo report: Edit-a-thon with Kino Lumbardhi; DokuTech; CEE Spring 2022 in Albania and Kosovo
  • New Zealand report: West Coast Wikipedian at Large and Auckland Museum updates
  • Poland report: Wikipedian in residence in the National Museum in Cracow; The next online meeting within the cycle of monthly editing GLAM meetings; Steps to communicate GLAM partnerships better and involve the Wikimedian community
  • Sweden report: 100 000 memories from the Nordic Museum; Report from the Swedish National Archives
  • Switzerland report: Diversity in GLAM Program
  • UK report: Featured images and cultural diversity
  • USA report: Fifty Women Sculptors; Juneteenth Edit-a-thon; Juneteenth Photobooths 2022; Wiknic June 2022; New York Botanical Garden June 2022; LGBT Pride Month
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Happy Third Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Valereee a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 21:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @Chris troutman! valereee (talk) 11:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
You know what sucks? Remember years ago I used to tease you about fascist tendencies, comparing you to Putin and stuff? Well it's no longer funny to compare you to Putin. Normally, I would've posted a picture here of some over-the-top military parade with a caption like "Valereee celebrates her Third Adminship Anniversary" but that's just not funny anymore given recent world events. The world sucks, and it ruins all of my jokes. I blame Putin especially. Levivich[block] 18:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Flag of the Rattachistic movement
Valereee's everyday dinnerware
Sorry world events have prevented you from making fun of my fascist tendencies. If only my tendencies had instead been, like, Rattachistic. We could still laugh. valereee (talk) 20:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
...or at least one of us could. Anyway, this might work. How often do you !vote "split and merge"? Levivich[block] 20:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Er, but @Levivich I want to make it clear that I am not myself making fun of rattachists. I'm sure there's nothing funny about that movement at all. Even the goosestepping roosters Are Not Funny. valereee (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I see no humor whatsoever in a goose-stepping rooster with a national identity crisis. Levivich[block] 20:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Although I have to admit, Walloon is an inherently funny word. valereee (talk) 20:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
In your local chapter, is it spelled Wallooon? Levivich[block] 21:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
hahahahaha valereee (talk) 21:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Advice about Wikiproject assessment, NPP

Hey, I saw you thanked me for an assessment at abortion doula -- thanks!

This gives me an opportunity to ask for advice. Since joining the site I've aspired to work in NPP and AfC seeing how important those two systems are for editor retention and article quality, and I don't think I'm experienced enough for that (besides the fact I don't meet the criteria) -- wanting to participate in more AfDs and build confidence in wikiproject assessment first.

So I just wanted to ask about wikiproject assessment - if you could glance at my recent edit history involving it, do you think I'm doing anything egregiously wrong? Would you have any advice for me aspiring to NPP? I know rating is a subjective process and all, I'm doing it part out of concern for how important the work seems to be now. I started out editing mostly psychology articles and there are many articles there which just never get tagged with the wikiproject and so it's harder to pick up cleanup tags through automated tools like CleanupWorklistBot.

Second thing, in doing assessment going through Category:Unassessed articles, I'm finding a lot of what feels to me like borderline cases for deletion, I feel a little too nervous to flag any with AfD or prod though. Is it better to be bold about this? Here are a couple of examples: InBios Myogel Easynews. There were also a couple that I assessed, then shortly after got tagged with a prod or draftified. Is it okay that I'm not doing that? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Darcyisverycute (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @Darcyisverycute. So, a couple of questions here.
  1. Wikiproject assessment is a good place for newbies because you tend to learn a lot and you can't actually do much unintentional harm.
  2. I didn't look too closely, but from a look the kinds of things you are doing (finding more appropriate wikiprojects, for instance) look helpful. More importantly, reversions of your edits seem quite rare, which is a good sign other editors are seeing your edits as helpful. Not that there are usually a ton of people going along changing these kinds of talk page things, but it's always a good idea to investigate any reversions you don't completely understand, which I see you did at Child abandonment. When you removed the 'expert needed' tag at Mind-blindness, did you go back and see whether there was a history there? Who added it, what their edit summary was, whether there was any discussion on talk at the time? Sometimes it's useful to ping that person either in your edit summary or to a talk discussion unless this is a subject with which you yourself are very familiar.
  3. Yes, while doing assessments you may absolutely find articles that are borderline candidates for deletion. InBios is a good example -- likely UPE 2011 creation, at first glance what looks like terrible sourcing (I did not check any of them, just going on what they appear to be), and it's been tagged for notability since 2014 and likely has flown under the radar since then because it's an orphan. If those sources were truly all that was available then, that company was not notable. Before you nominate it, do a thorough WP:BEFORE to see if it's gotten WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS in the past 10 years. If you do find sources, consider either fixing the article or at least adding the sources in a Further reading section so that some future editor may fix it. If you do not find three instances of sigcov, AfD it. valereee (talk) 13:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the input :)
For the mind-blindness article, I did read the talk page beforehand, and ended up talking about it with another editor after I had my first revert on my article rewrite there! That was initially a scary experience for me but I've come to understand better to not take that sort of thing personally and that writing a summary and reasons for big changes on the talk page is helpful. It didn't occur to me to use WikiBlame to find who placed the template and any edit summary message they left, I'll try to remember to do that more.
Didn't realise people could be pinged through an edit summary linking and/or piping their username. That sounds useful.
WP:BEFORE looks very helpful, I've just tried doing those checks on InBios, and I couldn't find anything so I did make an AfD for it. {{source assess table}} is a nice template! Thanks again Darcyisverycute (talk) 10:22, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Always a ton to learn here on WP, even after 50K edits. :) valereee (talk) 21:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 29, 2022)

The Jazz Age was a period in the 1920s and 1930s in which jazz music and dance styles rapidly gained nationwide popularity in the United States. Pictured above are four patrons and a flapper in 1921 awaiting the opening of the Krazy Kat Klub, a speakeasy.
Hello, Valereee. The article for improvement of the week is:

Jazz Age

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Great Blizzard of 1899 • Sexual abuse

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A beer for you!

For trying. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
I've actually poured my first glass of wine already lol... valereee (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

July thanks

July songs

thank you for good advice to Martin -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

"Woman" vs. "pregnant person" vs. "patient"

Hello! Thank you for your edits/reversions on the Abortion article. I think that maybe this should be discussed somewhere and a consensus found for uniform language across Wiki articles...it is not urgent though I do see this recurring, though the subject doesn't even seem settled in the press.

Personally, I would prefer "patient" to "pregnant person", but of course my preferences don't matter here. Sources recently do seem to more often say "pregnant person", than "woman" though that seems like political language preferred by some but not all in the abortion rights movement.

Here's Helen Lewis (journalist)'s opinion [2]

You're probably right this is likely a quagmire...I don't know where the proper noticeboard or venue would be to start this discussion, otherwise I'd start it there. Any suggestions? ---Avatar317(talk) 22:21, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Avatar317, I think it's a fool's errand to try to find consensus across articles. :) WP doesn't really even value that except when there's a reason it serves readers.
So what I'd do is start through, very slowly, on the article. Rewrite to use patient where that makes sense. Wait for response, then circle back to see if we can now start rewording sentences. But trying to start a sitewide RfC? I recommend against this. :) valereee (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your advice! I guess I'll take it and NOT start this type of discussion or RfC. Thanks! ---Avatar317(talk) 00:09, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Avatar317, and Valereee, please see the consensus previously reached at the Village Pump. As the closure states: As outlined below, the terminology in articles, especially medical articles, is dependent upon the support of reliable sources and it is expected that editors would use the same terminology presented in said sources. The bulk of sources on abortion continue to speak of women, and the use of terms that imply that abortion is a sex-neutral issue is controversial, as exemplified above by the article that Avatar317 linked. Wikipedia should avoid such politically charged new forms of speaking that are not typical, per WP:NOTADVOCACY. For these articles to make reference to women is natural and to be expected. Crossroads -talk- 05:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Crossroads, my feeling was that using 'patient' was not politically charged (while using 'person' might be) and that it wasn't out of order to see if that could be an area of compromise. valereee (talk) 13:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 30, 2022)

A retractable pen is a type of ink pen that has a spring-loaded ink cartridge which retracts and extends outside a protective housing.
Hello, Valereee. The article for improvement of the week is:

Retractable pen

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Jazz Age • Great Blizzard of 1899

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Mentorship for The C of E?

I see that you've already closed The C of E's t-ban appeal. I wasn't able to suggest it in the topic ban discussion itself, but I was brainstorming if it was possible that The C of E could submit himself to some form of mentorship (I'm not sure exactly what would be its nature). Like, maybe if he wanted to go back to DYK, he could have some kind of mentor that would guide him and ensure that the reservations some editors had (myself included) over the possibility of boundary pushing would not happen? Like, maybe he could have co-nominators or collaborators for every DYK nomination he could have? I don't know if it would be a feasible idea, I was just brainstorming. What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:48, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey, @Narutolovehinata5! I do think CofE could benefit from a mentorship, and I think they would be open to it. Valereee (talk) 00:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Do you have any idea how such a mentorship could work? Given that the topic ban lifting discussion was just closed, I don't think now is the right time for him to ask on WP:AN again, but I wonder if it's possible that in the meantime, some kind of workshopping on what to do is possible. Pinging The C of E so that he sees this and gives input on possible mentorship options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Mentorship is so fraught. Many experienced editors see it as simply farce, a way to protect someone from a block or ban. CofE probably shouldn't respond here, it's possible the 'broadly construed' would be interpreted as kicking in on someone else's talk, they should probably only discuss on their own. Valereee (talk) 00:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I would be happy to do to that. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Welcome back

Your comments an BN really resonate, I'm sure I am not the only one who has felt the same thing. When I was working for the federal government and they had me doing something boring and repetitive, I'd remind myself how much they were paying me to do it, it was a good motivator. Here it's the opposite, I remind myself I won't get paid any less if I don't do something, and this is hobby, not a job. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! It was really quite interesting as a personal exercise. And I'm not much of a 'personal exercise' kind of gal. :D valereee (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm just glad to see you around again. Welcome back. I've been less active lately, mostly because RL has been crazy, good crazy but crazy. But some of what you describe is also a part. Take care! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:08, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Yep. Also good stress is still stress. :) Thanks! valereee (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
I'll join 78 and Beeblebrox in welcoming you back. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks! valereee (talk) 11:57, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Late to the party - I missed the BN request, but I'm glad to have you back in the corps. Girth Summit (blether) 11:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)]

Happy to see you with the bit again V! I'm glad I saw this before I posted the "you accidentally commented in the admin-only section of an AE request" comment that brought me here. It's always heartening to see someone re-find joy in the project. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:58, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

It is absolutely not out of the question that I would have inadvertently done something like that. :D Valereee (talk) 17:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

the lowercase signature club

we shall miss you :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 17:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

lol...I had someone break a ping because they hadn't learned yet that they need to check what the actual sig was. :D I felt like that was a good enough reason to just make the sig=the username. Valereee (talk) 18:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

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Aren't you interested in articles about food and wine? I mention, because I just ran across a new user who is interested in, well you can see it on her User:Leslie Love Stone. I don't know what projects to refer her to on those subjects, but I think you might. This new user looks like they might become a really interesting Wikipedia editor. — Maile (talk) 01:54, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

hahahaha...I'm already in discussion with her at Draft talk:DAOU Family Estates, which I was reviewing at AfC. :D Thanks for thinking of me, and yes, I'm always interested in helping a new editor who wants to work in Category: Food and drink. Valereee (talk) 13:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hey, I started to add this to the Gaetz article but then thought it might sound condescending there. As that wasn't my intent I'll say it here. Thank you for illustrating how we should follow BRD! I think I'm right but certainly if I'm wrong I should be challenged on the talk page. It may sound odd but I really appreciate that you did that because too often I feel like the cycle is "Editor A adds, Editor B reverts, A adds again and then B finally opens up a discussion. Your polite disagreement really is nice and I appreciate it even if we disagree. Springee (talk) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Springee, thank you for the kind words! Right back atcha! Valereee (talk) 14:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for your calm explanation on User talk:Holomatrix. I was thinking on the best way to try and explain the situation, but you said it better than I could have. Just wanted to give you a personalized thanks along with the impersonal "thank" button thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words! Valereee (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for what you told Martinevans123. He said I'm the flowers personified, and I wish I'd live up to it more. - I'm doing many things besides Wikipedia and have pics from vacation days to offer, of heights and lows. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda! Valereee (talk) 10:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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re: this. He wasn't exactly a prolific writer, and I'd go as far to say that at this point it isn't even a loss, much of what he created could have been done by a bot or a 5 year old. Few if any of his creations were more than 2 sentences long (which is part of the issue itself) so I think perhaps he's fibbing about the copyvio. PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I know. I should just shut up. But introducing intentional errors? Jeez. From my point of view that means they were never here to build an encyclopedia. And, yes, after that? I don't consider it a loss at all. I was trying to be sympathetic and even hoped there wouldn't be a site ban. Now? Good riddance. I can forgive copyvio -- hell, I think WMF should be paying for finding and fixing that -- but anyone who would introduce intentional errors under any circumstances is not someone I'd ever welcome back. Period. That bridge is burned. Valereee (talk) 20:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Essay request

Hi Valereee! Would you be willing to write the essay WP:Copy, paste, edit, save? I've encountered and admired your comments on the subject in a few venues. It's informed my thoughts about edits I see others making, as well as my own content work. I've since run into situations where it might be helpful to link an essay on the topic in order to explain what was wrong with an edit and how the issue could have been avoided. No worries if you're not interested; you can just take this as a compliment. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers, thanks for the kind words. Huh, I would have thought we already had an essay about that! I'd be willing to write it, definitely, but have you poked around yet to make sure there isn't something? (No worries if you haven't, just being lazy about redoing that work if you've already done it!) Valereee (talk) 17:05, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
I would precisely describe what I've done as poking around. No results! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
lol Valereee (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
The closes thing is WP:Close paraphrasing, which has good advice about how to work to avoid CLOP issues. Maybe we could propose adding a section about what not to do? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Wine Business, Wine History, Winemaking—Let's Talk About Wine!

@Valereee. Thank you again for the offer to work with me on this. Really interested in learning to do it right, so I definitely would like to start in the section you suggested—Category:Wineries in San Luis Obispo County. Maybe I start by reading the first article and talk to you about what I think might be necessary edits? Excited to jump in! Leslie Love Stone (talk) 16:42, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@Leslie Love Stone, so Adelaida Cellars? Sure! I'll read it too, and put that talk on my watch. If you start something there and I don't come in, ping me, as sometimes I miss stuff going by on my watchlist if I'm actively working on something else, which I am right now. Valereee (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Sounds good. I will likely start this evening—looking forward to it! Leslie Love Stone (talk) 18:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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