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"Revert"

It's fairly common to 'undo' an edit to correct it, so that the person gets a notification and sees what has changed - usually quicker and easier than posting on their talk page. GiantSnowman 14:50, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

For all the players being released/moving to new clubs, please can you ensure you include references? GiantSnowman 15:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: Thanks for the clarification. I think I have only seen you do that. If the change is a correction of an obvious oversight like in this case, you needn't bother with notifying me. I know that, like most people, I will make mistakes now and again even though I try to be diligent. If the change is worthy of discussion or if you get the impression that I'm making the same mistake repeatedly, please let me know here on my Talk page.
Yes, I guess I should at least include a lazy ref. Robby.is.on (talk) 16:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification regarding the Basile de Carvalho article. Perhaps a knowledgeable editor could also shed light on the status of two of his goals scored in a friendly match.

91.69.84.197

I don't have rollback, so can't, you'll have to do it manually if you can't find somebody else to help. GiantSnowman 09:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Davy Klaassen

Ok thanks for that bit of advice. I will try to take it on board with future edits.Inexorable Existence (talk) 19:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Miguel Torres (footballer, born 1986)

Again, i hope the table master can come to the rescue :) His last season with Málaga CF was not spent in the first tier, but the second (i have already arranged the seasonal wikilink, but not the rest).

Regards, many thanks in advance! --Quite A Character (talk) 23:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Done, no problem. :-) I didn't check the numbers. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 07:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a million! Now for Zeca (footballer, born 1988), i think not by much, but the totals in the chart are not correct... Man, i really gotta stop bothering you in this department! Apologies for the nuisance --Quite A Character (talk) 21:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: You're welcome. I don't mind. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Youssou Ndour's ethnicity is Wolof

I am curious, dear Robby.is.on, about how a half-Irish half-german can determine the ethnic identification of an African? Yes, I am talking about Youssou Ndour, the Senegalese singer. The guy himself said explicitly in a french daily newspaper that he is Wolof, but you Robby.is.on decide that he is lying. If this isn't western paternalism at its finesse, I don't know what is. Stop misidentifying Youssou Ndour's ethnicity because he has the right to self-identify to whatever identity, and he chose Wolof, so please respect that. Jolofman (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)JolofmanJolofman (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jolofman: I'm not taking sides, I'm just enforcing due process. You've been reverted on this issue before. Per WP:BRD ("bold, revert, discuss"), you should discuss your changes on the article Talk page. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 06:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry

Hi, Robby.is.on.

I thought it would be easy to see.

I will take a look at MOS:HEADINGS.

I'm sorry to be ignorant.

English is not my native language, so I haven't discussed it.

Thank you.

BRICK93 (talk) 09:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi BRICK93, I really appreciate your message. We'll see how the discussion develops. I don't mind the spaces. We just need consistency and the agreement of most editors. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 09:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

NWO editor

I went ahead and blocked as nothere - it's clear that they weren't going to be an asset. Doug Weller talk 09:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @Doug Weller:. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 07:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Time stamp

I updated the time stamp this time while editing Pierre-Yves Hamel. I did not put a specific time of day and I removed the words (UTC), though. I was a bit confused. Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:04, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: Well done! That works. You automatically get a specific time of day if you use the five tildes I mentioned on your Talk page. The specific time is useful in a case like Hamel's where one updates the infobox on the same day the last match was played: the time clarifies that you made the update after the match, not in the morning, for example. "UTC" refers to Coordinated Universal Time. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 07:07, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Aogo

Hey, yeah looks a bit much, i did not realize that when i added it. Maybe we should decide on 2 or 3. Kante4 (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Correct. I mostly used it for handball articles where are not much links. Kante4 (talk) 15:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

oli boumal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Saburtalo_Tbilisi Add on his page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.126.46 (talk) 07:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Done. I had to revert your other changes, they didn't seem constructive. Robby.is.on (talk) 07:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Bernard Guignedoux categories

Hello! I need a bit of help, and I came to you because you are the editor I interact with the most on Wikipedia. Anyways, I created the article called Bernard Guignedoux, a French footballer. After retiring from football, he became a physiotherapist and even a football scout for short periods of time. I was wondering if it would be appropriate to add categories such as Category:French physiotherapists and Category:Association football scouts in the categories section, even though this wasn't their main profession. Please tell me your thoughts, thanks! Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: Hi Paul, nice to hear from you. That is a good question. I'm not sure but I would lean towards not adding the categories for the reason you mention. I did some research and found Wikipedia:Categorization. It states: "A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. […] For example, in Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement, Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject Caravaggio." That seems to support not including the categories. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:31, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Ciriaco Sforza

Hallo and sorry, I meant to write "here" in the "Edit summary" and accidently wrote "Heee", which, even to me, seems to be very rude. Sorry and greetings from Basel --Huligan0 (talk) 23:58, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Huligan0: Thanks for clarifying that, that's kind. With the letter's being all caps I think I would have read a certain degree of aggression into the edit summary. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 07:12, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Info

Hi,

regarding this ([1]), I have to tell that anyone may legitimately remove it since it was added without consensus, the accusations of that spectrum are anyway part of the criticism section. In other words, the political position described in the infobox is not necessarily the matter of sourcing, if debated or would touch more positions, or the combination of them, rather formed by consensus. Cheers(KIENGIR (talk) 09:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: The change I reverted was one of a bunch of changes from the same editor. In all cases they seemed to remove content that was backed by reliable sources. And they did that certainly not because they thought "it was added without consensus" but because they didn't like it. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 09:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I did not check the edit history of the user, my comment was meant just and only for this particular edit. Regards!(KIENGIR (talk) 18:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC))
@KIENGIR: And I didn't check the edit and Talk page history of the page… ;-) Robby.is.on (talk) 06:38, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

BKFIP

Thanks for the heads up; blocked and tagged. GiantSnowman 19:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. The troll was blocked, not you. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:02, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

No, not that. I apologised to BKFIP because i wrote a message to :@MYS77: in Portuguese regarding the former because i was tired of all the abuse (against the rules, in more than one way - foreign language used, not pinging guilty party, etc). I apologised at WP:FOOTY and directly in his last IP's talkpage, in perfectly coherent English; his reaction: "Speak in English, please" (which is exactly what "If you could write in comprehensible English, I might understand the point of your message" means!)?! I lost it, but promise it won't happen again (even if retired, i may check talkpages once in a while for a few weeks, before leaving altogether).

Kind regards (oh, and i also removed my hard message, i'm such an idiot if i think i'll ever win this kind of battle) --Quite A Character (talk) 21:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I just checked their Talk page and now I see what you mean by your "reaction" and "I lost it". I suggest you just ignore them. WP:AGF is important but I think they have no good intentions. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

LeToya Luckett

Please don't undo my edit. I was citing a website where I read the name of LeToya's child. Chidie345 (talk) 19:15, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Chidie345: I explained why I undid your edit on your Talk page and you acknowledged that so I don't understand your message here. Robby.is.on (talk) 19:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Let's excuse each other from this conversation. Chidie345 (talk) 19:24, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
@Chidie345: What does that mean? Robby.is.on (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I technically get what you mean. Chidie345 (talk) 22:43, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Wesley Fofana

I believe that describing my edit as simply "Transfer offers and comments about them" is a little unfair, it was about a player explicitly stating his desire to leave his club and accept the offer against the wishes of his club, which surely has to be notable. The article is already a stub, I fail to see how reverting my edit improves it in any way. MotorsportFan2012 (talk) 23:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

@MotorsportFan2012: I still think that happens regularly. I reckon it would be fine to mention the offer and perhaps even that he stated his desire to leave. But the quote really is a bit much. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:56, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: Then why didn't you just remove the quote rather than reverting the entire edit? MotorsportFan2012 (talk) 21:34, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@MotorsportFan2012: Fair point. I'm sorry. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:54, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Zofia Poznańska

On 24 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zofia Poznańska, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Zofia Poznańska, cipher clerk to the Red Orchestra espionage group, was captured in Belgium by the Abwehr in 1941 and hanged herself in prison in 1942? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zofia Poznańska. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Zofia Poznańska), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Mohamed Bahlouli

Hi, I explain it with this source.

--Valentinenba97 11:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Just a question.

Hi Robby. I have a question, not necessarily a question about a Wikipedia article or edit at all, I just want to know how you are so quick to find my edits. Is it because you watch some of the pages I edit? Just curious. Thanks and have a good day. Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Paul Vaurie:. Sorry if it appears like I'm stalking you. I'll explain.
For the Jesé article: I'm currently on a mission to replace Daily Mail references in footballer articles and I just noticed that the usage count went up again so I checked where a DM reference had recently been added and it was Jesé's.
For other articles you've edited: I have User:Paul Vaurie on my watchlist, so when you add a new page creation there I have a look at it. Here's why: You seem to be using the newish Wikipedia:VisualEditor whereas many others like me edit the source. As I recently noticed the code the Visual Editor outputs unfortunately tends to be difficult to read when editing the source so I habitually clean up and order the code to make more sense.
If this behaviour annoys you or makes you feel uncomfortable, let me know and I'll stop. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 13:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: It does not bother me in the slightest! You can keep doing everything you have been doing. And thanks for answering my question! Best regards. Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh, okay, that's good. Thank you, Robby.is.on (talk) 15:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Memphis Depay Reverting

Hello Robby. Sorry I am spamming your talk page, but I have many questions. I hope you understand. Anyways, this question I have here is: how do you revert up to an edit? Because I saw you reverted multiple edits at once instead of undoing several ones like I do. How do you revert back up to a specific edit? (I saw you did this on Depay.) Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Paul Vaurie:, no problem, I'm happy to help. I use the "rollback" feature of a tool called Twinkle. It's a great timesaver when dealing with vandalism and other non-constructive changes but it needs to be used with care. Try it. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 20:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: Alright, thanks! Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Jens Petter Hauge

Hello Robby. This is a fairly urgent message I send to you because the page Jens Petter Hauge needs to be protected. It is constantly being vandalised with unsourced material regarding a transfer that has not happened. I do not know how to semi-protect pages. Please help me out. Thank you.Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey Paul. The place to request this is Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. I've requested page protection for Jens Petter Hauge there. We'll have to see how long it takes for someone to do it. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello @Robby.is.on:. Sorry I did not see your message. For some reason it wasn't in my notifications! Anyways, I think it does not matter too much anymore because the transfer was made official. Thanks for your help though! Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@Paul Vaurie: I didn't ping you here, that's why you didn't get a notification. (Oops.) Looks like page protection was applied about an hour later so perhaps that did save us a little bit of disruption until the official announcement. Robby.is.on (talk) 23:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: Alright, thank you. That's nice to know that it made a change! Thanks again and best regards. Paul Vaurie (talk) 02:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Speeding up an AfC submission

Hey Robby. Do you know how to speed up an AfC Submission? Because I do not know how to do this. I read about something with wikiprojects but I'm not sure what to do. I am trying to get Draft:List of international goals scored by Kylian Mbappé submitted in the Articles for Creation process. Thanks and best regards. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: I only recently (last week?) came across a way of speeding it up. Click on "Improving your odds of a speedy review", then "Add tags to your draft", enter the name of your article ("Draft:List of international goals scored by Kylian Mbappé") and a relevant WikiProject. I went ahead and added "Football" and "France". I don't know which others might fit. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: Thanks, that's nice of you. I appreciate your help. Have a good day. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
@Paul Vaurie: You're welcome, I'm happy to help. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Michael Lückner for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Michael Lückner is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Lückner until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Less Unless (talk) 20:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

For having a kind and thoughtful political discussion with me ARegularWisconsinite🌀 (talk) 22:08, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Vieirinha

Hi there, all well?

Totals don't seem to add up, what could be missing (my eyes are getting old...)? You're the man, as always!

Kind regards, thank you very much in advance (and as you may very well have noticed, nope, not retired. And believe me, i want to, just cannot seem to bring myself to do it, beats me why!) --Quite A Character (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Hello. :-) All the totals look right to me. Which numbers look wrong to you? Robby.is.on (talk) 20:03, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Okeydokey, thanks again! The total goals seemed (slightly) different, but maybe that could be my (lack of) knack for maths ;) --Quite A Character (talk) 21:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

  • Same situation now, so i write it down here (hope Mr. Vieirinha does not take offence :)) In Jaume Doménech, can you please remove the Villarreal CF B row? Did not play any matches there whatsoever (league OR cup, as we all know reserve teams are not allowed in cups; well, at least in the vast majority of the countries!), needless mention.

Regards, thanks in advance --81.193.141.118 (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 20:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Am i missing something in Vieirinha? An IP just keeps changing his PAOK and Wolfsburg numbers, apparently for no reason! --Quite A Character (talk) 02:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Worldfootball.net and Soccerway disagree on the numbers scored in the 2017–18 season but they both have 25 appearances. The IP also seems to want to include Vieirinha's appearances in Wolfsburg's relegation play-off matches which we don't do. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

My/Your/Our actions seem to amount to absolutely nothing, IP at it again! I have reverted, have a nice weekend :) --Quite A Character (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: You have a nice weekend too! :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 08:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Shana Elizabeth article

Thank you very much for information. Highly appreciate. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 23.53, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gihan Jayaweera: You're welcome! Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Superfluous deprecated?

You removed a cite I added, describing it "Remove superfluous reference from the deprecated Daily Mail". The adjectives "superfluous" and "deprecated" seem like loaded words, suggesting a bias. I was wondering if you could expand on an explanation?      — BoringJim (talk) 18:35, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @BoringJim:. See WP:DAILYMAIL, it explains the "deprecated" part. To be able to explain why I deemed the reference superfluous, I would need to know the article where I removed it. Please tell me. :-) Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 18:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I think I found the article you mean: 7-Eleven. The sentence in question is backed by three other reliable references, to me a fourth reference does not seem necessary so I didn't replace the DM reference. Does that clear things up? Robby.is.on (talk) 19:05, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it clears things up. I see that the combination of adjectives were unrelated. Also, I failed to check https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/ , which I'm normally more vigilant about. And, thanks for pointing to WP:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. I was not previously aware of this handy list.      — BoringJim (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
That's good to hear. You're welcome! Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 20:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Removal of The Daily Mail source

You reverted my reversion of a previous change that removed The Daily Mail as a source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oversinging&type=revision&diff=985441737&oldid=985440472

Are you telling me the proper procedure to deprecate The Daily Mail as a source is to immediately remove it as a source without replacing it with another source? If that is the case, your reversion is correct. If not you shouldn't have reverted my reversion.

I reverted a change that simply removed The Daily Mail source, leaving a certain claim unsourced. Will you please revert your reversion, or find a source to replace The Daily Mail? Bro4 (talk) 00:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Bro4:, thanks for your message. I saw there was another reference right next to the Daily Mail one and the way they were placed I mistakenly assumed both covered all of the preceding statements. But apparently the other one doesn't mention all of the singers. I've added a reference for Pavarotti which I was able to track down, but I had to remove Joss Stone and Mariah Carey. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 00:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
You didn't have to remove them, you chose to remove them. The guidelines do not dictate that you immediately remove any references to The Daily Mail, but to replace the source with other sources. I've re-added Joss Stone and added another source for her vocal nodules. The wikipedia page for Maria Carey is the source for her vocal nodules, so there is no need to remove her from the list as well. I hope you can be a bit more careful to avoid making hasty edits that are unnecessary. Bro4 (talk) 01:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Bro4: Please could you lay off the antagonistic and patronising tone? I may make mistakes but I edit in good faith and assume you do, too. I did search for references for Joss Stone and Mariah Carey and didn't find any. So with none in the article, I had to remove their names.
Thanks for re-adding Joss Stone with a source. For Carey, you cannot use Wikipedia as a source; see WP:CIRCULAR. But you could move over references from Carey's article to Oversinging. Robby.is.on (talk) 01:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: I don't intend to be antagonistic and patronising, but when you first revert my reversion (the original removal of Joss Stone (and the source) should never have happened) instead of contacting me, and I point that out, I expect you to fix that instead of leaving the revert as is. I say again, deprecating The Daily Mail does not mean one should immediately remove it as a source from articles.
"So with none in the article, I had to remove their names." No you did not have to do that. You could add a citation needed. If Maria Carey needs a source, why not fix that, or point it out (e.g. with citation needed), instead of just removing that one as well? I'm calling such changes hasty and unnecessary, and they cause extra work. I'm sorry if you find it rude that I point that out. Bro4 (talk) 02:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Bro4: "deprecating The Daily Mail does not mean one should immediately remove it as a source from articles" – WP:DAILYMAIL clearly states "its use as a reference is generally prohibited". If you want to keep content that is currently sourced to a DM reference, the WP:BURDEN also lies on you to replace it. Something I find quite at odds with your principled attitude is the fact that you never tried that until David Gerard and I twice removed the DM reference.
Adding a "citation needed" tag would have been another option but many other editors object to this practice.
I found "I hope you can be a bit more careful" patronising because I explained my honest mistake ("mistakenly assumed both covered all of the preceding statements"). Note how I didn't make much of the fact that you made the blatantly false statement that "The wikipedia page for Maria Carey is the source for her vocal nodules, so there is no need to remove her from the list as well". Robby.is.on (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Sorry for that warning. Thank you for crushing the Daily Mail here! Firestar464 (talk) 11:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Firestar464 (talk) has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers!

Spread the peace of doves by adding {{subst:Peace dove}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

Thank you, @Firestar464:, I really, really appreciate it. Onwards and upwards! Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

National Teams Template

Hi Robby,

I was going through some of the national football team pages and they all seem to have a different layout therefore wanted to see if Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams would help but it currently seems to be pretty sparse.

I've put a template together on my sandbox (link in the heading) and would appreciate any advice you have before I pitch it to the wider Talk page.

Also, when pitching to the wider Talk page, should I just link my sandbox again as sticking it on the page would be a bit unwieldly?

(Obviously if you think it's completely unnecessary let me know!)

Felixsv7 (talk) 20:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Felixsv7:, thanks for your message. I have actually never worked on national team pages apart from typo fixes and the like so I don't have an own opinion on your proposed layout and content.
But yes, discussing this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football is a good idea and so is linking to the sandbox page. Fingers crossed for a fruitful discussion. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 20:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@Felixsv7: It may be worth a try to ping editors who frequently edit national football team pages. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the History such editors are few and far between! But thanks for the advice, I will do Felixsv7 (talk) 22:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Here's looking at you :) But you have to "earn your gift" now, doesn't the display of the statistical chart in Masoud Shojaei look a bit confusing?

Happy week/editing, keep it up!

Quite A Character (talk) 02:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Should be better now. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 09:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

colspans and accessibility

Okay, I will avoid doing group colspans from now. But why exactly do we only stick to 2 column cells if there are multiple cells in a row that use that colspan? I can't seem to find explanation in that article. thanks Robby. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, @Rupert1904:. Yes, you're right, there's no mention of it in the Accessibility Manual of Style, and to be honest, I don't remember where it was discussed but I do recall this was strongly recommended. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 22:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Got it. Editors have strong opinions on here usually! ;)... And thanks for giving me the heads up about this in a nice way. Rupert1904 (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Rupert1904: Oh, yes, indeed they do. ;-) Thanks. I try, it is something I am working on. I feel like communication can be less than friendly around here and at some point I felt I was guilty of that, too.
I frequently come across your edits. Keep up the good work! Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 22:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
You as well. Thanks mate!Rupert1904 (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

ESA Linas-Montlhery picture

Hello Robby! I need a bit of help from you. I am not very experienced with uploading pictures that are not mine to Wikimedia commons (I know how to upload my own image.) What I do not know is how to get a picture (in this case a club logo) uploaded under fair use. Here's my point: can you please add the club logo to the page ESA Linas-Montlhery? I would greatly appreciate if you helped me, but if you do not have the time, that is understandable. Thank you and best regards. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:44, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: I'm afraid I'm not more experienced than you in that regard. I suggest you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football; I've seen editors discuss logos there. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: Alright, I will make sure to go ask editors on the WikiProject. Thank you, and have a good day! Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:49, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Éder dos Santos for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Éder dos Santos is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Éder dos Santos until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Abel Ferreira

Table master to the rescue again! I was asked by :@Drmies: to remove the flags in the statistical chart per WP:FLAGICONS, came up short miserably like he did ;)

Can you please accommodate? You gotta start charging for these favours mate... Thanks and all the best! --Quite A Character (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: I've never edited "Managerial statistics " tables but I think I fixed it. I'll explain the fixes:
1. You removed the flags but you didn't remove the "Nat" column heading they belonged to,
2. "Record" only spans five cells ("G", "W", "D", "L", "Win %"), not eight,
3. The "career total" cell spanned four cells ("Team", "Nat", "From, "To") previously. With "Nat" gone, there are only three.
Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 11:43, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Perfect (again), kudos and thanks (AGAIN, may I add)! --Quite A Character (talk) 16:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Happy to help. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 21:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

DML

There are exceptions to nearly everything. Tina Turner is the author herself in the column; it's her book. Howdoesitgo1 (talk) 10:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

IP user

Hello Robby! Could you help me block this IP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.21.157.14 ? He is vandalizing many articles and spamming unsourced content on football pages that have some affiliation with Morocco. He needs to be banned, more than half of his contributions are vandalism. Thanks for helping me out. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it's annoying. I've asked GiantSnowman to block them here. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks :-) Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Robby and @Paul Vaurie: - there's been no edits today (except for a few first thing this morning) so no need for a block at this stage. If/when the IP comes back please let me know and I'll review. GiantSnowman 15:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Alright. But keep an eye on it, it's making poor contributions to Wikipedia. Thanks for your help. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:49, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Adolfo Bolea

Just cleaned up/improved this person's article to the best of my abilities, as a final homage (RIP kind sir!). However, i cannot for the life of me find out what's wrong with reference #2, all fields seem to be OK but it just won't display properly :(

Thanks in advance for your assistance, happy weekend (at home i suppose, we'll get through this!) --Quite A Character (talk) 19:27, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character:, I've seen that error before, it's somewhat of a mystery to me. What usually works, is rewriting the offending lines. In this case the error mentioned the title – "C1 control character in |title= at position 31" – so I wrote it again. That seemed to do the trick. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 20:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Incivility - Reply

A bit exaggerated, i admit and i apologise to everybody concerned. Player is known by his first name, however (at least in Spain, where he has spent 99,9999999999% of his career). That does not excuse my actions, no sir.

Attentively, sorry for yet another inconvenience --Quite A Character (talk) 08:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Right, it is not an excuse. Next time it happens I will report you. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:55, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I won't contest it, no sir. But really no need for the harshness, i believe (in the same manner those summaries are uncalled for). --Quite A Character (talk) 09:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Don't be surprised at the harshness. I come across your civility issues far too often even without looking through your contributions. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I work like crazy to improve articles (but then again, so do many people without disrespecting the guideline(s)), but i'm a person full of frustration (and not just WP-wise, in general). I've been here for 14 years, not having fun since the third or fourth anniversary anymore :(

This in no way a "suicide by cop" on my part (i think we've both seen a lot of people here with the "block me if you dare" attitude), i'm just completely out of control and i don't want to be that way. In all fairness, i'm more hysterical than downright mean (i only lose it completely with vandals, but even that is against the guidelines i know).

Off to have a rest for at least one week, going to work in real life (i work in translations), let's see if my wiki-head clears off a bit. Again, thank you for your cooperation, patience and understanding (and also telling it like it is in terms of your future actions in relation to me, if need be)! Regards from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: I know you do a lot of work around here. It seems like there's hardly any Spanish and Portuguese footballer article that you haven't touched and they usually are in good shape. I think people appreciate your work.
But yes, Wikipedia should be fun – both for you and for those you engage with. What you describe ("In all fairness, i'm more hysterical than downright mean (i only lose it completely with vandals") matches my observations. I hope you can find a way to improve your personal situation and find joy in what you do. All the best, Robby.is.on (talk) 23:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

About the citation

The club has officially announced the captaincy of Costa on its social media. Since its 9.30 PM here in India, the news will only come tomorrow morning on websites and all. I will definetly add the reference then Thankyou Shahoodu (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Use of Daily Mail in Halton Moor article

Thanks for your concern about the use of a Daily Mail source in the article on Halton Moor. Given the reference was specifically used within the section In the media, I felt this fell within the scope an appropriate use of a Daily Mail source within the context of WP:DEPS and so I published despite the automated warning from Wikipedia.

I have therefore restored the edit - however to provide a more robust approach I have now also included links to references from The Sun and the Daily Mirror - showing that the UK's top three daily newspapers (by circulation) have all taken a similar approach to describing the issue. I hope you feel that this is satisfactory.

Jpmaytum (talk) 19:39, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

It's worth adding that while I personally abhor the attitude, method and approach of the Daily Mail, WP:DEPS does explicitly say Deprecated sources can normally be cited as a primary source when the source itself is the subject of discussion, such as to describe its own viewpoint. This is why I believe sections such as In the media are of particular value in contextualising the source of certain views on a particular topic - and holding those views up to scrutiny of their own. Jpmaytum (talk) 19:49, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

 @Jpmaytum: Thanks for the detailed clarification. I understand the rationale. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Undoing changes made to an edited page

Could you explain why every piece of information I added needs referencing? A lot of information on several popular pages do not have referencing at the end. The article prior to my changes only had 3 references. Which information that was added on required information, and if only one piece, why undo changes rather than remove just that and leave a comment? Targeryen (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Targeryen:, thanks for reaching out.
* "why every piece of information I added needs referencing " – The articles I and others linked to on your Talk page explain why content needs to be referenced. Please read them.
* "A lot of information on several popular pages do not have referencing at the end" – If popular pages have unsourced content that is bad and should be fixed but it is no good reason to add more unsourced content elsewhere.
* "Which information that was added on required information, and if only one piece, why undo changes rather than remove just that and leave a comment?" – Your change introduced unsourced content ("scored an over-head kick"…), factual inaccuracies (29 appearances, two goals for Feyenoord as of 28 September 2020) and an incorrectly formatted image in the infobox. I didn't check your stats table updates in detail. But most of your changes were not helpful, unfortunately.
I wish you had read the links left on your page or asked these questions instead of reinstating your changes after being reverted. I'm happy to answer more questions you may have. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 00:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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