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[1] I don't see anything promotional at the linked .org playsite, what did I miss? Thx. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I will comment about the link on the article's talk page. Mindmatrix 18:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks. Most of those nasty comments are years old now; I should probably update my user page sometime. Mindmatrix 20:51, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Controversy re tech geek

I think the main problem is, your POV is simply contrary to the established facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solarlive (talk • contribs) 05:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Nope. Your use of anecdotes to construct a POV about a group is the problem. Mindmatrix 13:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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Request to dialogue

Hello Mindmatrix. I don't think I've had any correspondence w/ you, in the past I remember enjoying reading your User page. Anyway, you removed two ELs from an article I authored in this edit, and I restored one of the ELs in this edit. I'm wondering if you could help me, by entering a discussion w/ me about the issue here on your Talk. (I do not mean to fight you or etc. I am also not a policy wonk, so that curtails my ability to legalistically defend the EL. I'm just an editor with niche/interest in boardgames articles, and could profit by examination of the issue re the EL to pathguy.com, for this and other articles. I know the linked applet requires Java, and such links are discouraged by WP:ELNO, however they are not explicitly prohibited, and I've been advised too by at User talk:Cobblet#Your move that for e.g. Youtube videos are not expressly prohibited from EL section, depending. My feeling is that the game, in this case Congo, has incredibly complex move rules, and the simple applet at the link, gives an expedient way to get a grasp or understanding of the extensive text re move rules, in a way that no amount of text could provide. And also, that such interactivity is a technological advantage to the encyclopedia, for ease of understanding of text, that can and should be exploited when appropriate, as opposed to being stiffly denied based on the strictest policy interpretation. I really do think the applet in this case, and many others at that extesive site for chess variants ([2]) is a real boon to many variant articles, some of which I authored, to again, getting a quick and easy grasp of rules, through doing (i.e. exploiting interactive technology). It's my view that such rationale fits admirably for exemptions to WP:ELNO, that do require Java, but also contribute helpfully toward understanding the article topic. (Board games have one real purpose in life -- to be played. They are rarely just museum topics of historical interest and dissertation. Playing a game is the best way to understand it. The applets help facilitate that understanding. Those applets are not human-vs.-human, rather human-vs.-computer, so there is no social aspect to the play action at those linkes, and those applets were written for the strict purpose to gain understanding of the move rules of any particular game, as documented at that site. The applets aren't written at a strength to really challenge or compete, but merely at a level to demonstrate the game rules, as a demo to understand and get a feel for move rules and/or game objectives, that define a game and make a chess variant distinct from other variants.) Thanks for you consideration to dialogue with me about it. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 05:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Links to websites using plugins or requiring other software installation are generally discouraged per WP:ELNO (see point 8). Some exceptions are made for rich media content, but must explicitly state the software requirements (follow link for example). Personally, I don't like any websites requiring third-party software (and don't install any on my browser). Further, links to play games online are also strongly discouraged - that's what web directories and internet search engines are for. External links should only be to resources that elucidate on the game (history etc.), not for playing it. Mindmatrix 18:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Again, the pathguy applets were written for purpose of single-user demos, not for "playing online". Again, for many chess variants, the interest most all readers would have is the rules that make them unique (board geometry, game objective, move rules), not the games' histories. (Some variants don't even have any history, beyond inventor name and year invented.) So there is no elucidatiton possible in reliable sources for said games, and a linked applet demonstrating move rules, as in a variant like Congo having difficult-to-grasp rules, is a real plus to understanding the text. If exceptions are ever made according to the "not normally" language at WP:ELNO based on what's gained re comprehension of the article subject, it's hard for me to imagine a better exception than this one. I'm writing from POV of author of the Congo article -- writing text to describe those rules, was necessary but also very difficult and inefficient for the reader. At the Talk page a user requested some diagrams depicting how the pieces move. That can be done in time, but it will be a lot of work, take up a lot of space, and be in the end even less efficient for the reader than the advantage of demo-ing moves by the mentioned applet. (I thought of an extreme analogy -- no offense intended: If someone asked me to show how to cook an omelette while standing on my head, I suppose it could be done. But I'd request to stand up instead. Much more efficient!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Another example is the move rules for Raumschach. A lot of copyedit effort has gone into trying to make those move rules digestible, but they are still nearly inscrutable. (Even a top copyeditor better than those that have tried, would still leave a block of difficult-to-comprehend text.) Additional diagrams could be added for sure, but who will do it, and even if done it would eat up lots of space and look intimidating. So the pathguy applet in that article EL section does wonders to aid grasping the move rules for Raumschach. In the most efficient manner possible. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 19:05, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for your help Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

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Well thank you! Mindmatrix 16:18, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for 1937 Series (banknotes)

Thank you for this contribution Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for 1954 Series (banknotes)

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1954 Series (banknotes)

Hello Mindmatrix, I saw 1954 Series (banknotes), and had a question about the images. The image at the top File:Scenes of Canada Banknotes.jpg is listed as a fair use image, but also that it is from the Scenes of Canada series, not the 1954 series. If it is from the 1954 series (they look the same as the ones you posted, although the resolution is poor) it is replaceable (as you have free images of the notes on the page), if not it should be removed. Again, I can't tell by the resolution, but they look like 1954 to me. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:03, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, now that I think of it (and remember what Scenes of Canada actually looked like), that file was just uploaded with the wrong name. Still it is Fair Use, and replaceable, I may go about creating a new free image with the specimens you have in the article, and nominate that one for deletion. The resolution isn't good enough to be useful for much anyway. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

The image should be listed as PD for Crown Canada derivative images older than 50 years. However, I agree that it is low quality and should probably be deleted. Mindmatrix 17:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I will generate a new one, upload a new version, change the filename, and tag it to move to commons. That seems like the least bureaucratic way to deal with it.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:26, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

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I won't complete any survey for which data is not collected directly by those conducting the survey. In this case, by completing this survey data about me and my participation on Wikipedia will be available to Google, as you are using Google Docs to collect this data. Thanks for your interest, but I will not participate in this survey. Mindmatrix 21:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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King City GO Station

I don't quite see the advantage in converting the reference style in this article to include Notes. I find it very clumsy to link first to the note and then from there to a reference. I can see where mutiple notes from large documents are being referred to it will help to indicate different chapters and pages numbers, but these are simple references made complex. Why not just link directly to the reference? Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I hope to be introducing a few new references into the article sometime soon which will necessitate the use of this format. I figured I'd prepare for it ahead of time. I'm not sure when I'll be adding the new material, as my interest in transit waxes and wanes without rhyme or reason... Mindmatrix 21:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

So you say "without rhyme or reason". Keep up the good work in the King-dom. Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Note that only the 63 GO Bus route serves the station. Please fix the reference I added. It will also apply to train service if required. Secondarywaltz (talk) 23:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Damnit. I even reminded myself not to make that mistake before I started editing the article, and yet it still happened. Sigh. Regarding the schedule, why does it not indicate the bus connections waiting for the train at this station? The times I pass by there during a train arrival, there are quite a few people making a beeline for the bus on Keele Street. Mindmatrix 01:48, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

And on a separate note, where in blazes does GO Transit/Metrolinx hide station ridership data? The reason I've only updated the King City station article is because the document from King township is the only one with ridership details I've managed to find. Mindmatrix 01:55, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I've been looking for years and can never find a sniff of anything. That reminds me that I need to update the TTC stations - where I do have a source. Secondarywaltz (talk) 03:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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I noticed you undid my Notable residents change.

Shawn Roffey is a world known broadcaster if he isn't allowed to be on here neither should the retired one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.137.65 (talk) 19:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't find a single news article or book about him. Most of the links I found were to social media websites, which are not suitable as references. Mindmatrix 14:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks again, though my current contributions are more eclectic and varied. Mindmatrix 20:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Sorry, but I don't think even a fact tag is enough, it just didn't belong there. I see others have reverted the IP's other edits. Dougweller (talk) 17:10, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I should have just done that outright. Mindmatrix 18:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, a few days ago I fixed a wrong link (try it and there) but I saw that you canceled the change: why? I refer to Quackwatch, the link is incorrectly www.www.quack-watch.org and also www.quack-watch.org that do not exist and that I had corrected www.quackwatch.org --Stefantiz (talk) 10:50, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The text that was changed was a list of mirrors, that is websites that are a copy of the original. Your change was incorrect, but reverting to the original was also incorrect. I've removed the duplicated "www.www" to fix the issue. Mindmatrix 14:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

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Please do NOT undo my changes on Nash Griers page.

I don't feel that the "God-fearing" sentence really tells about him...that was old news...he doesn't even mention it anymore.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frenchman101 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 26 August 2014‎ (UTC)

The material you removed was reliably sourced. More recent reliable references that indicate otherwise are certainly welcome, but removing sourced material is not. You can also request its removal on the article talk page, providing arguments to support your case. Mindmatrix 16:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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I'm making some historical corrections to the Publius Enigma page. I followed the events of alt.music.pink-floyd since 1994 and am myself a primary source. It will take more than 1/2 hour to amend the required references to the page, so I would appreciate that you don't undo edits until this process is completed. That is counter productive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yanickborg (talk • contribs) 00:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I waited an hour before reverting your edit. Moreover, you coopted one of the references, inserting comments before a citation to make it appear as if it supported the new statements. Specifically, the NY Times article does not state that Pink Floyd or any of its members deny knowledge of Publius Enigma. In fact, when asked about it, they give a "wink wink" type answer, without actually answering the question. I'll let you edit it again, but I'll revert if you provide no supporting references for your claim. Mindmatrix 00:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits again - I gave you two hours to provide sources, and you failed to do so. Moreover, you again snuck statements ahead of a citation, making it appear as if that reference supported the claim (it does not). Please stop adding original research to the article. Mindmatrix 02:49, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Warned Yanickborg for 3RR. With your experience, why are you continuing to revert? If Yanickborg continues I'll report and you might end up collateral damage. If you still have issues after my latest edit please stick to the talk page for a while, I certainly don't want to see you blocked. I'd prefer to see no one blocked. Dougweller (talk) 10:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I reverted edits that could be construed as vandalism, as Yanickborg persistently added that Pink Floyd denied the existence of Publius Enigma and associated it with the New York Times ref, which made no such claim. Mindmatrix 14:00, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Mindmatrix, a rookie question from a veteran editor... what does the space in the key after the pipe do? Keep up the good work on the establishments cats! Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 04:09, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Entries in a category are sorted according to the sequence of characters in the sort key. In this case, it will sort Category:1944 establishments in Alberta under the space character in Category:1944 establishments in Canada, (and then by the 'A', then 'l', and so on); it is based on the ASCII printable codes. This ensures that the provincial categories are sorted before all other categories that may occur, such as can be observed in Category:1971 establishments in Canada. Of course, the 1944 category doesn't need this yet, but I'm setting these sort keys for consistency in the category tree and to preemptively resolve future sorting issues. Mindmatrix 14:26, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

A belated thanks for the explanation. I request your perspective on a related query. At Fox Creek, Alberta, the categories of Category:Populated places established in 1955 and Category:1967 establishments in Alberta are applied. Both are technically correct. The former represents when it was first founded as a community. The latter represents when the community was incorporated as its own municipality. I know the difference, but the casual reader may have difficulty reconciling this. That is, how could it have been established twice? As it is very rare for a community to both be "originally founded" and "incorporated as a municipality" at the same time, both categories remain legitimate. I therefore wonder if it is worthwhile to create a set of categories formatted along the lines of Category:1967 town incorporations in Alberta that could be nested within Category:1967 establishments in Alberta. It would then be readily distinguishable from Category:Populated places established in 1955 to the casual reader. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 08:13, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I've been having this conversation with Skookum1 recently; see the "re missing est. dates Andy Bailey Provincial Park" further down my talk page (you can skip the first four comments of that discussion). I think a broader audience is required here, so I'll bring it up at CWNB. For the record, Category:1967 town incorporations in Alberta is probably the wrong choice here, if we're going to go that route; I'd prefer a title that doesn't specify 'town' or 'city', perhaps 'municipality' or simply 'settlements' would suffice. Mindmatrix 16:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Note: I've just started a discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Establishment years and settlements. Mindmatrix 16:17, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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re missing est. dates Andy Bailey Provincial Park

I've been filling in the missing establishment dates on provincial parks that need them...this one Andy Bailey Provincial Park appears to be a regional park of the Northern Rockies Regional Municipality now and is now longer a provincial park. For it and certain others that started out as recreation areas, e.g. Coquihalla Canyon, I've used the date of establishment as that of the recreation area.....Skookum1 (talk) 05:08, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'm currently working through Category:Provincial Parks of British Columbia (I completed the first page of entries yesterday, and hope to do page 2 today). Mindmatrix 15:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

I've been plugging at Category:Year_of_establishment_missing and haven't yet finished the parks in B and C, though finished A.....created some ecological reserve articles along the way, as they came up in BC Names searches, notably for the Columbia Lake Ecological Reserve which is part of the Columbia Wetlands. Also adding cites and coords for those that didn't have them already; some that did have coords used "DIM" as the source or whatever; BC Names is the main authoritative source (sometimes has more updated/exact coords than CGNDB for the same listings); some are older than the adjoining or nearby provincial parks.Skookum1 (talk) 08:07, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I've completed the second page. I added BCGNIS entries for all articles that were missing it, and used the date listed on those pages (usually from an Order in Council) to sift the articles into the appropriate date categories, so you won't find many more entries starting from the Gs. I found a few that have no date specified at the BCGNIS website (they're listed as works in progress on their website). Mindmatrix 14:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, lots are....that whole "department" is one very overworked woman, with boxes and boxes of hardcopy notes to transcribe.....I correspond with her now and then when I find an error or whatever....this whole "establishment dates" thing got me wondering about Indian reserves; not all date from the Indian Act, many do, some e.g. in BC predate them (the Douglas Treaties ones, not all current, some de-reserved like Songhees IR No. 1 which is now a hotel complex on the other side of the Inner Harbour from the Empress; looking up the title histories on them may not be easy but they definitely do have dates of establishment....thing is some are redirects to communities formed around them or within them, some of those communities falling into the "time immemorial" bracket; some like Moricetown were responses to a mission, I think in that case.....anyways IRs that have missing dates of establishment are a big project and hard to research; I note User:VolcanoGuy has added the dates on a few "volcanic parks" like the Tseax River Cone one.Skookum1 (talk) 15:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

And re somewhere like Hope BC, its not its incorporation that its founding date, it was there before municipal status, same with Lillooet. So the date of the establishment of Fort Hope? Or the undetermined date of the FN settlement near it? As elsewhere, the native settlement may have relocated to he fort (as with the Kwantlen Band's main reserve at Fort Langley)....do we only date from time of "white" acknowledgement/designation....of course with undetermined dates even only hundreds of years old we have no firm date for such cats; but it's not like a lot of places were "established" jus went someone ran a flag up a pole, no?Skookum1 (talk) 15:28, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Decade or century categories can also be used, for example Category:Establishments in British Columbia by decade, which is currently woefully incomplete. I may rectify that situation soon. Unfortunately, some settlements are difficult to categorize by this system. For example, King, Ontario was settled by Europeans in 1798, but the first documented info I found states 1800, and it was incorporated in 1851. This ignores the native Wyandot occupation of the area preceding it all, the French exploration of the area (with campsites etc.), and use of routes through the area and sites within during the early fur trading period. Sigh. Mindmatrix 18:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the problem is obviously not limited to BC...Tulameen had been Campement des Femmes as named by the HBC on a certain first-mapping; it was already a long-time Nlaka'pamux campground used by the women when men were out hunting (maybe Upper Similkameen Okanagan though...but I don't think so). Shalalth where I'm partly from is ancient...maybe Category:Settlements in Canada established in pre-Contact times or something like that?Skookum1 (talk) 05:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Note: I've just started a discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Establishment years and settlements. Mindmatrix 16:19, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

=Lac Le Jeune et al.

Right now that article has Category:Provincial Parks of British Columbia and has the park info on it; I'm probably gonna move that category to the Lac Le Jeune Provincial Park redirect; there's also a Lac Le Jeune, British Columbia community article; in most cases where the community and lake have the same name there are two articles e.g. Christina Lake, British Columbia vs Christina Lake (British Columbia). In some cases where the eponymous town of a certain lake, e.g. Fraser Lake, that's not workable because of other settlements on the same lake, and if there's a provincial park on only part of the lake, it's another layer.....but on ones where they're all merged, and e.g. maybe there's IRs on the lake, I try to place the corresponding categories on the respective redirects.110.74.197.46 (talk) 04:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the category shift. I didn't even notice that I had hit a redirect, otherwise I would have done as you have in placing the categories at the redirect. (I've already done it with other articles, especially some school articles in Ontario.) Mindmatrix 14:54, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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Mindmatrix, I was wondering whether the edits that were made to this article subsequent to your most recent comments on November 1 were sufficient, or if more needs to be done to get the nomination to the point that it can pass. Can you please stop by at your earliest convenience? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:15, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. Mindmatrix 15:26, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Mindmatrix, this just had to be edited on the Main Page. TonyTheTiger appears to have nominated it with Johnny Burnette in the ALT1 hook, which wound up being used, but the article at that time had Johnny Burnett; you correctly piped that to Johnny Burnett (baseball) with this edit at the same time as you fixed the reference. Nonetheless, it was approved and ran on the Main Page with Burnette - whose article has a hatnote distinguishing him from the baseball Burnett. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I thought I had changed the link in the DYK nomination too. Mindmatrix 16:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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...that one user being you. K7L (talk) 23:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

@NotWillyWonka and K7L: Both of you knock it off. My talk page isn't the place to conduct your squabbles. NotWillyWonka, next time you bring an issue to my attention, there's no need to make POV statements about a user, I'm perfectly capable of making such determinations myself. K7L, same goes for your retort. Mindmatrix 17:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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Oka edits...

Just since I see you still active/watchlisting that, and having encountered "strange" IP edits of various kinds lately, I looked up that one anon editor after your latest edit, this guy, and that IP (or whatever the term for long addresses like that is) is the Halton Board of Education. School user? Teacher? Someone using a school library? Hard to know, but not an innocent edit; "capitalized on the chaos" might be in the NYT cite, but is "painted language"; citing about Oka is hard because of the destruction of CanWest Global's archives in 1993, and the military seizure of Newsworld and its files during the crisis; as for the coroner's report Davepl has commented on being not easy to find, that applies to a lot of things from these times.....and I have about as much faith in the credibility of that coroner's report as I do about the Gomery Inquiry's interpretation of those paper bags full of money. I remember from the time of the crisis the media reporting someone, I think Claude Ryan, the Quebec security minister at the time, saying the bullet was an SQ bullet......but find that now...well, the internet gets laundered like anything else; you can't find the truth about Grant Bristow on it for example.Skookum1 (talk) 01:46, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Dispersion of year categories by genre

Hello. I see you've been splitting out Role-playing video games by year, e.g. Category:2003 video games -> Category:Role-playing video games introduced in 2003. Are you sure this is a good idea? Genre is something that's very much hard to pin down (what about multi-genre games? Do they go in both categories?), and the by-year categories are very useful as an alphabetical list of *all* games that came out in a certain year. I can see perhaps *adding* a new category, but not removing it from the parent, and I'm honestly not too sure the category is that useful anyway - seems like a trivial intersection. And if it *was* kept, "introduced" is weird - how about just "Role-playing 2003 video games?"

Anyway, any thoughts on this? Is there a discussion elsewhere I missed? SnowFire (talk) 20:47, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of the validity of the new categories, the removal of article year categories should not be done, as categories like Category:2004 video games are covered by WP:DUPCAT and should not be diffused. - X201 (talk) 09:00, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

OK, but if so, they should be tagged with {{All included}}. Mindmatrix 15:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

This all started with Category:Board games by year, which had few entries when I found it. Using its child categories as a template, I significantly expanded it, then did the same with the similarly poorly populated Category:Card games by year. I recently completed Category:Role-playing games by year using the same structure as the board and card game categories, which finally brought me to Category:Role-playing video games by year, a natural child category of Category:Role-playing games by year. In trying to be consistent in naming categories in one category hierarchy, it created inconsistencies elsewhere. (Reviewing Category:Years in games, there are three styles in use for the six subcats there: examples of each are Category:Card games introduced in 2007, Category:2007 in chess, and Category:2007 video games.) We should probably have a broader discussion about creating a consistent style for these. I don't think Category:Role-playing 2007 video games is properly named though; perhaps Category:2007 role-playing video games is more appropriate. (Based on a quick but non-exhaustive perusal of subcats in Category:Works by type and year, this may be the most plausible structure.)

Regarding whether these categories should exist, I thought it made sense to create these as subcats of categories in Category:Role-playing games by year. The intention was to sift any article in Category:Role-playing video games (or its space-sorted subcats) into these new categories. Yes, my intention is to sort them into multiple "by year" categories if the article is about a multi-genre game, but I'm not particularly attached to the idea.

I'll suspend my activities into this until we've resolved this discussion. Mindmatrix 15:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

"2007 role-playing video games" would be fine too. That said, I still question whether these are worthy categories or just trivial intersections. If nothing else, many games qualify for 2 genres, so this'd add a decent amount of category bloat. Moreover, I'm not sure that video game RPGs and tabletop RPGs are exactly comparable - once they were, in the 80s, but they've grown a bit more distant since. More like second cousins than parent / child. This makes the link to Role-playing games by year a bit more tenuous.

Maybe WT:VG would be the place to hash this out? Whether we want a special exception for RPGs due to the RPG cat, or attempt to make all genre-by-year cats, or to roll this off into something else. SnowFire (talk) 20:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

King City sculpture

There are some pictures at https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonparis/sets/72157647548012573 of the sculpture Shift which can be uploaded to Commons. I know you keep your eye on King City articles. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:40, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I had searched Flickr for such photographs in December 2013 and again in September 2014 (when I added the infobox), obviously not finding any at the time. Mindmatrix 16:33, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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