User talk:Gisbert K

Gisbert K

--  Gisbert ツ (talk) _{Illustrate Wikipedia!} 18:28, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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December 2019

Hello. Your recent edit to List of clarinetists appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. Alexf^(talk) 23:14, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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• Do you really not know the clarinetist Shirley Brill?--Gisel (talk) 08:36, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

  Don't expect too much, Gisel ;) - I came to thank you for what you do for Sabine Meyer. I made some changes, please go over them and see if the edit summaries explain enough. If not please ask right here. I added categories to her fine new image which is actually the second. Nice to meet you! I expanded the article for her brother, DYK? We could also speak German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

• Wie findest du das neue Foto von Sharon Kam ? --Gisel (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Clarinetist infoboxes

Hi Gisel, sorry for removing the information you have added to various clarinetist infoboxes (Sabine Meyer, Shirley Brill, Sharon Kam). I have no issue with the information you are providing in the article, but the infobox is meant to be a summary of key information that has been determined in consensus as part of the infobox template discussions. The module fields are only designed to be used for other infoboxes to be embedded in the main one, not for any other information. It seemed to me that the information I deleted was already contained elsewhere in the article. Maybe the Template:Infobox person contains some of the information you'd like to provide in an infobox and you could embed the Template:Infobox musical artist in that one? Thanks for your contributions on the musicians! Bonnie (talk) 02:22, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Annelien Van Wauwe DYK sources

Hi Gisel, could you check the references after the statement that she had a concerto commissioned as a result of her breathing? Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 14:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• done Gisel (talk) 15:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• look for the new textGisel (talk) 16:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Annelien Van Wauwe

Hello! Your submission of Annelien Van Wauwe at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 14:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Annelien Van Wauwe

On 18 February 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Annelien Van Wauwe, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the yoga breathing and meditation practiced by clarinetist Annelien Van Wauwe (pictured) led to a specially commissioned concerto by composer Wim Henderickx? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Annelien Van Wauwe. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Annelien Van Wauwe), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Glückwunsch! Grimes2 (talk) 16:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

More Glückwunsch: to the stats! Next time you can add it yourself ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Precious

clarinets and players

Thank you for quality articles about clarinet makers and players, such as Annelien Van Wauwe, Sharon Kam and Backun Musical Services, for expanding other articles in the field such as Sabine Meyer, basset clarinet and basset horn, for "I am committed to a friendly and respectful approach." - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2344 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gerda, I am amazed at the precious. Did you arrange that again? If so, thank you very much. Gisel (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Would you like to add your contributions to the project "European 10,000 Challenge"? Grimes2 (talk) 12:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Girmes2, if I would participate in the project, what would I have to do? Gisel (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Just add an article you made to the list (now 3661 entries), like "# Annelien Van Wauwe, translated by Gisel". Then add the template Template:WPEUR10k to the articles (Annelien Van Wauwe) talk page, like in Talk:Beethoven Ring. Grimes2 (talk) 10:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• done ! Gisel (talk) 08:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Europe/The_10,000_Challenge#3001–4000 -> 3662-3670

Thank you! There is a special challenge for UK and Ireland. I think it is better to move "Bassett clarinet" to that challenge. Israel belongs to Asia, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Asia/The_10,000_Challenge. If you like, you can add your name to the list of participants (European 10,000 Challenge). Grimes2 (talk) 08:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

• Hello Grimes, What is the template for the challenge for UK and Ireland? (WPUK10k doesn't work) Gisel (talk) 04:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

There is obviously no template for that challenge. Grimes2 (talk) 05:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

There is one: {{WPEUR10k}}. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for all of your work on clarinet topics! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you very much! --Gisel (talk) 07:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

May

May · Mary · Monteverdi

Thank you for article improvements in May! - DYK my list of people for whose life I'm thankful enough to improve their articles? - I have a FAC open, one of Monteverdi's exceptional works, in memory of Brian who passed me his collected sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

today a composer pictured who wrote a triple concerto for violin, harp and double bass, in honour of the composer who died and my brother who plays double bass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

• Guten Abend, Gerda!

Monteverdi und Smirnow, welch eine Kluft! Leider erwischst du mich mit beiden Komponisten auf dem falschen Fuß. Monteverdi haben wir im Musikunterricht durchgenommen, als ich etwa 13 Jahre war, eine Qual für mich, im Gegensatz etwa zu Hindemith, der uns später näher gebracht wurde und mit dem ich mich durchaus anfreunden konnte. Und Smirnow kenne ich nur vom Hörensagen. Ich habe deine Notiz aber zum Anlass genommen, auf YouTube mal in die eine oder andere Kompositionen hineinzuhören, z. B. das Triplekonzert für Alt-Saxophon, Klavier und Kontrabass mit Streichern und Perkussion. Eine Liveaufführung dieses Konzertes würde ich sofort besuchen. Ich werde Smirnow mal im Auge behalten.

Wer ist Brian?

Liebe Grüße Gisbert Gisel (talk) 14:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Brian Boulton, author or today's featured article Australasian Antarctic Expedition, and Monteverdi, and his operas, with Smirnov in the list of thanks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Template

Sorry, I reverted you now the second time, {{infobox musical composition}} (while WP:BRD requests to better discuss when reverted once). As said in the edit summaries, please suggest changes on the template talk, and let someone experienced with template editing (not me, but perhaps Andy or RexxS) actually make changes that find consensus. Please don't invent German abbreviations such as AufDauer, at all, but especially not when we have |duration= already. No upper case in parameter names, please. The documentation has to follow changes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I now reverted a third time. Please do not edit the template! Discuss. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

• • I intend to add 2 new lines to the box. Since I'm not a programmer, I first have to figure out how to do this. With several other boxes (in different languages) I succeeded, but once not. For this it is necessary that I create such an info box on my sandbox in order to test whether the intended changes will take effect or not. Unfortunately, I couldn't do that because you kept getting in the way and deleting every little change before I was finished.

But now I know the following:

1. It is not possible to insert a new line between the existing lines in this box, as the programmer left no space for it

2. It is possible to add lines to the previous end and I now also know how to do that.

If an addition is successful, I will of course also change the documentation, as I did with the changes mentioned above.

It's about these new lines that someone may or may not use:

a) Typical duration of the performance

b) Importance of the composition

What is the objection to a supplement? Gisel (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what keeps you from copying this to the template talk and discuss with all interested in this template? Upfront: I'd object to both parameters. Both have way too long names, duration is already there, and importance is a hopeless one, inviting WP:POV. We face a lot of objections for anything related to infoboxes in Classical music, and such a debatable parameter would be a welcome target. Please consider. Discussing when reverted is a very good, very general concept to avoid edit warring, - please stick to it. See my new year's resolutions on top of my talk. - I was close to ask for admin protection of this highly visible infobox template for editing by people who don't have template editor rights (as for {{infobox person}}), - can we please avoid such measures? - Of course you are free, and even invited, to create a sandbox infobox template, and test it in a sandbox article, - probably the best first step before even going to the template talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Please make a proposal at the template's talk page, so it can be discussed with other editors. Changes to templates should be proposed in its sandbox, accompanied by appropriate test cases. Links are at the bottom of the template's documentation. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I've set template-editor protection for the infobox template. As Michael says, you can try out changes in Template:Infobox musical composition/sandbox, which is unprotected – it's easy to then add /sandbox to {{Infobox musical composition in an article and preview the changes. For an easy way to insert gaps into the numbering of infobox templates, see User:Frietjes/infoboxgap.js. --RexxS (talk) 13:58, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Charles Neidich by Kevin Hatt 5a.jpg

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• done! --Gisel (talk) 15:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for explaining the irreplaceability of the photo. I've fleshed out and tweaked the fair use rationale. One question: I've looked on Charles Neidich's website for the photo link, but I can't find it. Since WP:NFCC#4 requires prior publication, it would help to have a page where the image can be found. Would you mind adding the source URL? Thanks. Ytoyoda (talk) 18:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

At the beginning of February 2020 there were 5 photos of Kevin Hatt on Charles Neidich's website, all of which I downloaded and then uploaded to Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_Neidich_by_Kevin_Hatt_1.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_Neidich_by_Kevin_Hatt_2.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_Neidich_by_Kevin_Hatt_3.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_Neidich_by_Kevin_Hatt_4.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charles_Neidich_by_Kevin_Hatt_5.jpg

Unfortunately, the photos were deleted again because Hatt did not sign the declaration of consent I had prepared.

Today only 2 of the photos can be found on the website, under Schedule (the photo 5 -->> https://www.charlesneidich.net/new-events) and About, both only as excerpts from the originals. --Gisel (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Other sources: https://www.sonic.de/index.php?eID=dumpFile&t=f&f=5561&token=46278529791fad3ff63ec66b6c6bac27de32fbcf and https://www.charlesneidich.com/ --Gisel (talk) 20:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• • @ Ytoyoda (talk)

As I see today at 1:47 the user JJMC89 looked at the file and now wants to start the same procedures that we have already done. Can you get him to withdraw his new entries (they are the same as a few days ago)? Many Thanks! --Gisel (talk) 05:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For adding images and creating new articles to clarinet topics. Grimes2 (talk) 12:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Basset clarinet or alto clarinet?

I was just looking at the picture of the clarinet family that you uploaded - it's used in the Clarinet article. The second one looks like a standard Eb alto clarinet, but it's labelled "basset clarinet". I may be wrong, but check it out and see what you think. Thanks. - Special-T (talk) 13:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

My opinion: It's a Basset horn in F. Grimes2 (talk) 14:05, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Thanks - I see that on the Wurlitzer site now. Which leads to another question: the images look identical to those on the Wurlitzer site. If they're the same photos there might be a copyright issue. - Special-T (talk) 14:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Here is the original photo by Herbert Wurlitzer with 7 clarinets.

According to the company, the 2nd instrument is a basset horn in F.

The picture with the 8 clarinets is an adaptation of mine: first I cut out the original photo, then I added a new background and then, on the far right, I added a basset clarinet by Leitner & Kraus. (Although Wurlitzer makes basset clarinets, he could not give me a photo of them.) This basset clarinet you can see also on this picture:

---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   20:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a e-mail of Wurlitzer with the permission? Grimes2 (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I was about to ask that - if you click on the Wurlitzer image above, the Commons info says that permission was obtained. - Special-T (talk) 21:45, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Here you can see all 400 photos I uploaded: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=50&user=Gisbert+K Of course, Wikimedia Commons got all the necessary permissions, as you can see in the infos of the files. ---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   22:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Frohes Neues Jahr! Grimes2 (talk) 11:54, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Ivan Mozgovenko ist gestorben. RIP. Grimes2 (talk) 13:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Ich versuche Mozgovenko in recent deaths (RD) auf der Hauptseite unterzubringen. Grimes2 (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Die ITN recognitions werden von Administratoren versendet, die RD dann auf der Main Page posten. Grimes2 (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Auch ich wünsche dir ein gutes neues Jahr. Woher hast du eigentlich so schnell erfahren, dass Mozgowenko am 31.12. verstarb? ---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   09:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Ich überwache den Wikipedia Artikel. Da hat einer die russische Quelle gefunden und das Sterbedatum eingegeben. Grimes2 (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ivan Mozgovenko

On 2 January 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ivan Mozgovenko, which you created. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 22:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda! Only: I wonder how the 2 years were calculated. In my global user settings it says: Connected since 17.11.2016. My 1st edit was on 9.7.2019. ---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   13:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I am slow to notice, - not "connected" but "found precious", as last year (+ there's a link). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I was slow to notice that you changed the image of the Yogo sapphire, and beg you to revert it. It has a history of 10 years, on thousands of pages, and I don't want it changed, - improved or not doesn't matter in such a case. You can upload your version under a different name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Gerda, I have now set the old version from 1/18/2012 with a plain white background instead of a marbled one, a small visual improvement that is only noticeable at 2nd glance. But if you still want to have the old version back unchanged, that would be done in a jiffy. ---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   12:28, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Please do the jiffy, to match the frame better, - thanks a lot!!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Done, what do you think of this one?

---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   15:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I like it but see no reason to change a pic that has worked well for more then ten years, and is recognizable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Nothing changed since I wrote that. I know you like to improve, but please restore the image to its historic form: no uniform background, no sharp lines and extra brilliance. Feel free to save the improved version under a different name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

"Des Menschen Wille ist sein Himmelreich."

I followed your wish and reset the photo, but without conviction. The amateur photo by PumpkinSky is exceptionally miserable. This is not what a sapphire looks like, with frayed edges. Every stone has exact contours. And the background is blotchy, sometimes dark and sometimes white. And the stone takes up too little space on the overall surface. A decent photo would have been cropped to show more stone as background. I don't know what there is to like about this photo. Here are both photos side by side. Please enlarge them once!

• 
  old
• 
  with frame

15  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   12:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

You are right on all accounts. I am a sentimental woman, Precious was modelled after PS's model, and the memory of his miserable amateur photo serves its purpose of connecting to a history. Thank you for understanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry Gisbert, but your Yogo sapphire looks artificial. Grimes2 (talk) 09:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Unzulängliche Fotos lassen sich natürlich nur begrenzt aufhübschen. Gleichwohl, so meine ich, habe ich eine Reihe älterer Klarinettenbilder ganz gut hinbekommen, zuletzt noch ein mit Dunst überzogenes Foto von 1910. Ich habe gegen Entgelt den Saphir freistellen lassen und dabei den Auftrag erteilt, den ausgefransten Rand mit wegzunehmen, also eine klare Kontur zu schaffen. Dann habe ich das Bild so gut es ging, geschärft und auch die Belichtung geringfügig verändert. Schon im Februar hatte ich mich an dem Stein versucht. Sieh dir doch bitte einmal die Versionen vom 19. und 20. Februar 2022 an. Findest du eine davon besser? Was in einzelnen gefällt dir an dem neuen Bild nicht, der Rand oder die Fläche? Ich könnte z. B. noch einen Weichzeichner verwenden, der die Konturen etwas verschwimmen lässt, entweder im Ganzen oder nur am Rand. Für eine Antwort wäre ich dir dankbar. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   12:49, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Ich habe meine Probleme mit dem retuschieren von Fotos. Genau wie bei schönheitsoperierten Menschen, man siehts. Ich frage mich immer: Hatten die einen schlimmen Unfall. Entschuldige, dass ich so konservativ bin. Grimes2 (talk) 13:00, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Zu meinen Bildverbeserungen sh. unten "My image edits".

---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   10:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Clarinet makers

Hallo Gisbert. Kannst Du die List of clarinet makers mit F. Arthur Uebel aktualisieren? Danke! Grimes2 (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Gestern Abend erledigt! -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   08:53, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

July thanks

July songs

Thank you for the music pointer! - I'm doing many things besides Wikipedia and have pics from vacation days to offer Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Das sind ja fotogarfisch tolle Aufnahmen, insbesondere die von St. Bonifatius. Ich nehme an, du hast eine hochwertige Fotoausrüstung mit mehreren Objektiven und Stativ.

LG -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   14:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Ich nehme ein Motorola-Handy :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Thumb rest

Hallo Gisbert, Blogs als Quellen sind nicht gerne gesehen im englischen Wikipedia. WP:USERGENERATED

Grimes2 (talk) 17:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Dazu schreibt mein französischer Partner und Autor des frz. Artikels, Clarioio, folgendes: "In the french WP, we have also some rules about reliable sources; nevertheless for the Musical domain, there are some flexibilities to use other sources than academic and native language sources because they are rare. For this special WP page about a part of a musical instrument, we can use some exceptions, but german or british guys are free to apply their own rules. On my side, I prefer to use good web pages as those ones from M. Touroude (well known expert in France and around the World) than bad sources compliant with strict WP 《rules》. I will have a look on the new sources and maybe I will include some of them in the french WP." -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   22:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

December music

December songs

Merry Christmas

We sang Charpentier's delightful Messe de minuit pour Noël today, a first for me, pictured, - Thanks for what you do around the clarinet! - Enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:24, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much, dear Gerda. I didn't know Charpentier's mass until now, I listened to some sections on Youtube. Very beautiful. All the best for you, now and in the new year. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   17:56, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

January 2023

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Martin Fröst, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 21:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

1. This article is one of my babies, it is 56% mine.

3. Yesterday I updated the English and German articles in coordination with my friend Martin Fröst. The French and Swedish articles will follow.

4. In connection with the updates, I checked all the links and deleted the ones that no longer work. I was in a hurry and therefore did not fill in an edit summary.

5. Accusing me of vandalism is absurd. You could at least have tried a deleted link. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   21:34, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

(watching) The article suffers from a lack of inline citations, and removing the few that were there doesn't look like a good idea to someone not looking closely, - better remove them only when replacing them with with better ones. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I regret that certain internet sources no longer worked and had intended to look for other sources, but yesterday and today there was no time. A dead link is of no use to anyone. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   22:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. Even if dead, it shows that there was something before. If you think that is not a good idea you could change to cite book or cite news, without link. Sources don't have to be online, but there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

With about 50 sources (including a, b, c etc.), the article should now be sufficiently substantiated. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   16:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Reform Boehm system

I'll take a look at that when I have some time. I'm just busy in real life! - Special-T (talk) 18:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Fritz Wurlitzer is a very good page. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 07:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Tipp

Hallo Gisbert, ein Tipp für References: https://citer.toolforge.org/ (Bitte das Tool aufrufen mit klick auf link). In die Seite mit den Tool URL eingeben: https://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/einblick-in-die-ddr-wirtschaft-der-unternehmer-der-dem-sozialismus-trotzte-ld.129130 Resultat:

• Eisenring, Christoph (18 November 2016). "Der Unternehmer, der dem Sozialismus trotzte". Neue Zürcher Zeitung (in German). Retrieved 13 March 2023.

Gruß Grimes2 (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Prima, ein tolles tool, das einem viel Arbeit erspart, danke! -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   16:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Datumsformat kann man einstellen. Europäisches Format 13 March 2023. Händisch kannst Du noch die Zeitung verlinken und den Parameter |trans-title= einfügen. Sieht dann so aus:

• Eisenring, Christoph (18 November 2016). "Der Unternehmer, der dem Sozialismus trotzte" [The entrepreneur who defied socialism]. Neue Zürcher Zeitung (in German). Retrieved 13 March 2023.

Grimes2 (talk) 16:40, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Tipp2

Hallo Gisbert, the source The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians in Fritz Wurlitzer is accessible by https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/. You should have access authorization. Grimes2 (talk) 08:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Amati Kraslice logo

Hi, you recently uploaded a high resolution version of File:Amati_Kraslice_logo.png but its fair use rationale limits the image to 100,000 pixels (316 × 316). Can you please revert your change, before the bot deletes the original image which is now orphaned. — Jon (talk) 11:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Photoshopping

Hi, I appreciate many of your image contributions, especially musical instruments; but sometimes I think your use of "photoshopping" is too enthusiastic. Things like removing backgrounds from single specimen photographs of objects (as opposed to photographs of events, people and places), adjusting white-balance, crops, minor straightening corrections etc. are useful. However, doctoring photographs to remove details (vs. the original), when used as documentary evidence in encyclopedia articles about real subjects, or replacing the logo on the outside of the building (vs. the original), is not. It is in fact misleading, even disingenuous. By all means create art, but it must be labeled and described as such, and not passed off in a Wikipedia article as a depiction of reality. If we don't want the ugly and derelict building as photographed in 2020 in the Amati Kraslice article, then we need to find a better (perhaps historical) photograph of the building instead, or even just use the (un-doctored) photo from the other end of the building. — Jon (talk) 21:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Minimal corrections on the 1st photo. O.K.? -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   22:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

No Jon (talk) 22:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I heard the wall on the right was repainted. The black line is no longer there. And: the building is in reality straight, not slanted as in the 2nd picture. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   23:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Fine, I'm sure that's all true, but just making stuff up is not okay. — Jon (talk) 00:01, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden, as someone who does a lot of (excellent) tinkering with photos, and as a Commons admin, I thought I'd ask for your input to this discussion. Schwede66 01:22, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

When it comes to photos of buildings that have been professionally photographed, there is nothing to improve. The photographer has already done that himself, for example, corrected the exposure in a too dark picture. On the other hand, amateur photos often have flaws, for example, the building is not straight. Or there was a trash can in front of the building that a professional would have removed beforehand. Or there are reflections due to the sun's rays or a flash, or there is still a part of another building in the picture that is quite unimportant. In these cases, I tend to remove the defects to the extent possible. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   12:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Another example: a dress. On the right the original. In this picture everything is uninteresting for the article except the dress. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   20:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

And this:

In the image on the left, the picture on the wall is from this photo

-  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   20:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I understand what you're doing. I'm not sure how to make this clearer; what I'm saying is 1. sometimes you overwrite other people's photos with what you think are improvements, which is objectionable, please create separate images for your art projects 2. you assert your own form of aesthetics categorically, and they're not always the fabulous improvements you seem to think they are, 3. they are sometimes bordering on fraudulent, and/or 4. they are sometimes inappropriate for use on Wikipedia as depictions or documentation of reality. Jon (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

This is absurd. I heard they painted the Eiffel Tower orange, perhaps I'll go and fix all the Eiffel Tower photos. The World Trade Center is no longer there either, perhaps I'll go and remove them from all the New York skyline photos from before 2001. By all means straighten it or adjust the white balance, but if you want to include it in Wikipedia, then this photo is a document of the building as it was taken in 2020, not some ideal of what you want it to look like, or even less, what you think it might look like based on... something you heard?! Jon (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

You're right, but I didn't change any photos with the Eiffel Tower or the World Trade Center.

About the picture with the dress. The author of the German article Vestal Goodman thanked me for the new picture. He is obviously happy with the editing. What would you have done? Left the picture unchanged?

About the picture with Ernst Ulrich Deuker: the original is extremely blurred and has an impossible background. What would you have done here? -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   21:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not talking about your dress or Deuker photos. I'm not even objecting to your art projects, necessarily, either - go nuts. But please use separate filenames for them. I'm talking about photos of the former Amati factory building in Kraslice, being used on Wikipedia. Why did you put a logo onto the building that isn't there in reality? — Jon (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

The company is no longer called Amati-Denak but Amati Kraslice. You can see the new logos here: . I think that Amati has long since changed the old lettering. I will try to get an updated picture. The picture with the new logo was never used. I have now removed it from Commons. -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   22:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

In memory

November songs

my story today

Today: in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together" -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Four years!

Good to see your picture on top. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou very much! -  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   08:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)