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Sega Gamesis game list[edit]

You reverted my edit on the premise that unlicensed games do not belong on the list. However, there are many other unlicensed games mentioned on the list, such as Magic Girl and Brave Battle Saga, for example. Either we should reach a consensus about not adding any unlicensed game at all, or we should allow them to be included in the list. ThiagoSimoes (talk) 01:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I thought consensus was to not allow unlicensed games? Else anybody can create a rom, put it on a flash cart, and call it a Genesis game. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DCUO[edit]

Hi there, was inquiring on recent edit removing mention of Jim Lee and Geoff Johns and other contributors to the game, information that had been up for several years, should the Marvel Heroes page which states the lead writer also have that information moved from the main brief summary as well? I've placed the information under the Development, as it is important information given due to the mentioned contributors that are from DC Comics to the game having worked and now working even closer with the game's new content releases. Dstdnt (talk) 18:14, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dstdnt: If you can find a way to write it better in prose, feel free. However, the current way reads like a credits list instead of something encyclopedic, and only two of them are notable anyway. For now, I just moved them to the infobox. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cowboys Injured Reserve Players[edit]

The people who update the Cowboys official roster have a tendency to remove the players who are waived/injured, even though they stay with the team if they clear waivers. If a waived player with an injury clears waivers, he reverts to the original team's Injured Reserve list. In order for him to be released, the team would then have to give him an injury settlement. All those guys with no numbers on Dallas are just guys who haven't received settlements yet. Normally they all do, but sometimes a few stick around. For now, they're on the roster. Just thought I'd clear that up. RevanFan (talk) 03:14, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I did notice they did that last season too. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bills QB template[edit]

Go to anybody on the template and look at what it does at the bottom of their page.--Yankees10 00:14, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your help desk question[edit]

Your question was archived, and I don't know how what you want done would work. The people who do might be at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Vchimpanzee: Thanks, wasn't aware of that place. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:48, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FYI[edit]

Just a FYI: I've reverted vandalism from your userpage. I'm not sure if you get pinged when that happens, but here's just in case you don't see it in your watchlist either. Corkythehornetfan 03:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Corkythehornetfan: Thanks, I didn't get any pings, but it does show on my watchlist. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re: kickers[edit]

Hi Dissident, I can understand the rationale for reverting me, but I disagree with it. Is this common? If so, can you point me to the related policy and why it was put in place? One of Wikipedia's greatest strengths is that it can be updated immediately by anyone anywhere. IMHO, that template should be updated immediately when a kicker is replaced. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@The ed17: There isn't any official Wikipedia policy regarding this, but we've always waited until the new week starts (it begins with Thursday Night Football). You changed it before week 3 was finished (Monday Night game still had to be played), so it was technically incorrect. Not that kickers get replaced every week, mind you, but we follow the same guidelines for the QB template. I'll revert it back before the TNF game, no worries. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:56, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I realize why you did it, but that's what I'm questioning. :-p One of Wikipedia's oft-cited strengths is that anyone anywhere can alter the site to include the most current information. Where would be a good place to propose changing this policy? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@The ed17: Unless we all agree to get rid of the "as of week ??" for the templates, then it just becomes really misleading and untrue (since it's still stating who was the kicker for week 3). Is it really so bad to wait a few days before the week changes? It's been this way for years. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:32, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Back to Stone[edit]

Re: The publishers are sourced to one of the publisher's official listing: http://www.e-neko.com/?p=1397 -- it's in French, but look for the "Éditeur" field at the very bottom. As for "nicknames" in Infoboxes... frankly I've no idea. If you say that's how it's done, we can have the real name in the Infobox and the full (real + credited) name with ref in the lede. Whaddya think? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 13:12, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Salvidrim!: That might be better, yeah. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dota 2 for FA status[edit]

Your commitment to the Dota 2 article really pleases me, as I phased out of Wikipedia for the longest time and I simply felt detached from trying to get it to FA status, especially after the nonsensical and over-zealous riot that was the last FA nomination, (one or two people have developed a grudge towards me over the years), but I digress. I was wondering if you'd be interested in nominating Dota 2 for FA status? I'd be there to support you and if there are any suggestions, I'd assist in accommodating reasonable changes that would indeed improve the quality of the article in any places that are dubious. Would you be interested in this? DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 07:29, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • @DarthBotto: Sure, although I've never been apart of the FA process, so I'm not sure what needs to be done here. Something like the Merchandise section could go under Release, as a small example? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 07:43, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about that specific attribute, as I framed the article in the same vein as Portal when things had developed to that point. I would recommend a peer review... but previous peer reviews have been mostly useless and at this point, I think the changes necessary are small enough that you could simply jump into a Featured Article nomination and take pointers as the nomination ripens. DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 07:49, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This page describes the procedure you would follow, in order to nominate Dota 2 for Featured Article status. As the creator of the page, as well as a significant contributor, I cannot put in a support or oppose vote. However, I can help with addressing concerns and applying changes. DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 23:36, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@DarthBotto:I wouldn't count as a significant contributor? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:56, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You'd count as a nominator, so voting wouldn't make a difference. ;) DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 07:50, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Or, would you prefer I nominate it myself and you help with attending to potential issues? DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 07:55, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@DarthBotto: Yeah, I've never done it before, and never really though to nominate it either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 09:37, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Well, I've noticed some serious problems, such as the content listing off music packs, so I'm going through and streamlining things so it's presentable for the nomination. There's plenty of new content that hasn't had the surface scraped, so this is necessary. I also need to remove most of the sources that reference dota2.com, as those are first-party and unencyclopedic. DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 00:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@DarthBotto: Go ahead, although deadmaus5's music pack is still notable enough to remain in prose, right? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:49, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think we could have a passing mention within an already-existing paragraph, yes. Just, we shouldn't list off every artist, just one or two examples. DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 04:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Derrick Coleman's number[edit]

I initially had the same inclination that you did, to restore Coleman's number, but then I looked at the Seahawks' official roster and found that they had actually removed the number when they moved him to the "suspended" category. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)\[reply]

@Arxiloxos: It's a bug, no way he can wear number 4 at his position. His profile page still says 40. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation. On my computer (using Firefox) I don't see any number at all for him, but looking again, I see that the "40" is actually still there, but hidden by the column formatting. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ni no Kuni[edit]

Yeah, sorry about that. I just saw a link to the open world page in both Dominion of the Dark Djinn, and Wrath of the White Witch and found a source to back up the category for the latter. Since the former is the previous version of the game, I figured that should get added as well. Thanks for the correction though http://worthplaying.com/article/2013/2/12/reviews/88182/ That's the source for Wrath of the White Witch btwDohvahkiin (talk) 04:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dohvahkiin: No problem. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic character names[edit]

On 16-bit Sonic-related articles, should the villain be referred to as "Dr. Eggman" or "Dr. Robotnik"? On one hand, all English-speaking manuals named him Robotnik at the time, but in re-releases, Sega seems to have changed it to "Eggman". Also, should it be "Angel Island" or "Floating Island"?--Phil A. Fry (talk) 21:45, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Phil A. Fry: For the retro games? I'd personally go with Dr. Eggman, as that's what he's been referred to in both Japanese and English versions in modern times. Robotnik is still an official alias for him, however, but it's almost never used anymore. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) I usually use Robotnik in the Genesis game articles, as that's what he was called back then in the English versions of the game, and Eggman everywhere else. One redirects to the other, so the initial wiki-link clears up that discrepancy. With all the misguided drive-by edits that the Sonic articles get, it seems to be the path of least resistance. That's also how it is now, and how it was at Tezero's GA passing, for what its worth. Sergecross73 msg me 20:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:00, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Wes Welker[edit]

While trying to accept/revert the various changes, I noticed that you removed the return specialist from the lead. I'm not sure about removing it entirely given his stats, especially when in Miami. While he didn't return kickoffs too often in New England, he did return punts. I think the lead should probably still say "wide receiver and return specialist" in the lead as it did before the changes, but perhaps only list wide receiver in the info box given it's unlikely he'll return anything for the Rams. Any thoughts? Ravensfire (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravensfire: He is most likely not returning punts with the Rams, so he isn't a "return specialist" for them. We will have to see if he does however, so I'll leave it there for the time being. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:07, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ben Roethlisberger[edit]

May I ask the reasoning behind moving Roethlisberger down in the table (back to his previous position in the 7-game section) with this edit from post-game today?  — TORTOISEWRATH 02:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@TortoiseWrath: It's fixed now, I thought you moved him to the top of the three QBs with eight 400-yard games, but he's suppose to be at the bottom since he wasn't the first to do it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that's what I thought; just making sure I wasn't missing something.  — TORTOISEWRATH 02:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bloodborne[edit]

No one had a problem with it last time when I added it. So I reinstated the edit. And true, its not like Witcher 3 or Skyrim, but not every game has to be like them in order to be an open world game. Dragon Age: Inquisition is an open world game (it even says it on the back of the box), but that's split into different regions. Really, there is no standard definition as to what makes a game open world. A lot of games blur the line between open world and linear. Actually, I've seen a few games called semi-open world. Maybe we should create a new category for those games? Just a suggestion. But thanks for correcting the edit. I appreciate it.Dohvahkiin (talk) 22:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain this edit?[edit]

Hi, Dissident. Would you mind explaining this change? I know the site is pretty bare, but I don't see that as a reason for not linking to it. Thanks. —zziccardi (talk) 04:13, 6 December 2015 (UTC) @Zziccardi: I thought it was a fan site not run by Nintendo, but I see that isn't the case. I'll revert it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:38, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use of "currently"[edit]

Based on your recent edits to Kobe Bryant, you might be interested in participating in a discussion about the use of the word currently at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association#Lead_sentence_with_.22who_currently_plays_for_....22. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 00:51, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relation of Hyper Light Drifter and Indivisible to Shantae[edit]

Hi Dissident93! Thanks for your work on pages related to the Shantae series. You asked how Hyper Light Drifter and Indivisible are related to Shantae, and actually that's because both games are going to feature crossovers with the Shantae series. Here's a link to the related HLD Kickstarter update:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1661802484/hyper-light-drifter/posts/615655

And, as it's impossible to link to particular updates on Indiegogo, to a picture with the guest characters for the game:

https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1448398253/cuuejfkwevw32p9yuyyj.jpg

I'll be reestablishing the links in the template for now.90.10.152.82 (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, no problem. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Hoyer[edit]

Thanks, I missed that piece. I was just trying to unravel the other pieces of vandalism and just said "revert it to yesterday's edition". Didn't realize he'd been removed from starting status. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 04:53, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Tarlneustaedter: Yep, no problem. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:01, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Beckham[edit]

No, his suspension (it was one game, not a week) was lifted today. 2605:6000:54C2:1F00:41C4:5DBE:E861:C820 (talk) 05:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you all the best . . .[edit]

D93, may you continue to make Wikipedia a better place in the New Year. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:24, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Publishers in efn[edit]

I just took notice that you put publishers of Goat Simulator and Terraria into {{efn}}'s. While this is entirely possible, it is not really nice-looking and partially aginst the Infobox video game guidline that it is to display the most important facts. That is usually why porters are put into efn to avoid violating the developer= guideline. But in this case, publisher should be visiblized in possibly all cases. Therefore, please note, I will now undo your edits on both mentioned pages. I agree that it does not look very nice on Terraria, so we'll have to find a better solution for that. For more discussion, please do not break out in an edit war, but instead discuss with me here, thanks. Lordtobi (✉) 21:23, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Lordtobi: Well, the infoboxes are not meant to be all encompassing, and are only meant for getting the most basic, main details across. I don't think putting the porting devs/console publishers of PC-first games into notes violated any current guideline, espcially since they might have been removed if you really followed the guidelines. Other game articles, such as the Call of Duty games, had their extra info in a collapsible list, which looks worse than a simple note tag. But I think we should take this to the VG project page to get more opinions. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissident93: You are correct in saying that collapsible lists look worse, but that is also part of the guidelines, as you can see in the publisher field definiton. But, then again, it says many publishers. In this case it is three of them. One for Win/Mac/Lin, one for all consoles, handheld and mobile platforms, and one for Windows retail (including Collector's Edition!). And, as you correctly said, it should give away the "most basic, main details", which are in this case, the first publisher, the primary publisher since 2013 and one retail publisher. There is not really any sense of putting any of them into efn, just that there should be a way to arrange it nicely. Lordtobi (✉) 21:41, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Lordtobi: Well there still has to be a better way then. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eguchi[edit]

(diff) If you're saying he's notable for the AC series, where are the sources that discuss him, and wouldn't that mean that his role in the series should be majorly discussed on that page? I don't see the independent sources covering Eguchi, the individual. czar 00:31, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Czar: Wouldn't all the interview links listed in the external links count, such as this one? The other ones need an archived link, since they are dead, but I don't see why we should basically delete an article that has been up since 2006. You've been called out for stuff like this in the past, so I think this should be a community discussion instead of a potential edit war. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:48, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • The interview links are all about the series, not about him. I process a high volume of articles and redirecting an underdeveloped article—especially one sourced entirely to primary and self-published sources—is a perfectly acceptable action (as is reverting that redirect per BRD). It's fine to take it somewhere for discussion, but the entirety of the interviews are about the series and not the individual. czar 01:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rodea the Sky Soldier[edit]

Thanks for keeping Prope included within its developer credits. I'll be looking to expand its story section upon completing the game and if any other reliable sources come up for it, I'll add them accordingly. 104.136.214.106 (talk) 06:46, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

definition of indie game[edit]

Just from the change you had made at Crypt of the Necrodancer: there is no firm definition of an indie game, but it is generally one that is made without direct development or financial support of a larger publisher, which can include both self-published games and/or games published through one of these smaller publishers like Klei or Devolver Digital. This isn't a firm definition because Bastion (video game) is considered indie by the press despite having received funding from WB Entertainment to develop and publish. --MASEM (t) 15:18, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem: It just seems like the press use it more as a marketing term these days than what the term actually means, but I guess the same happens in the film and music industry as well. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:32, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bloodborne NPC[edit]

Hey. About this. The NPC's name is indeed Gilbert. However, it's not very noteworthy; the player may not actually even talk to Gilbert as he's pretty easy to miss and is thus not even important to the story. There's nothing wrong with mentioning the NPC's name in the article. Then again, there's nothing wrong with not mentioning it either. On a side note, play Bloodborne. It's good. —DangerousJXD (talk) 04:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@DangerousJXD: Ah ok, thanks. I just assumed the way it was written that somebody put in their name or something (seen it done many times before). Also, I would have already if it wasn't a PS4 exclusive... ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bucs coaches[edit]

If you think present should be in the templates then discuss at WP:NFL. Don't just change one randomly.--Yankees10 00:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Yankees10: I've seen others done like this, and assumed it was standard. Don't see why any of them have to omit the "present" when every sports infobox states it. We should be consistent per sports league, in my opinion. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Jones Dome[edit]

Hello, just thought I would let know that I reverted your edits on St. Louis Rams/Los Angeles Rams about their stadium history in St. Louis. From 2001 to early 2002, the Dome had no official sponsor and was simply known as the Dome. In 2002, Edward Jones purchased the sponsorship and that is why the infobox is listed the way it currently is. Thank you, Yosemiter (talk) 02:45, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My Odin Sphere dilemma...[edit]

I'm not sure how to list them on the wiki page so I thought I should ask your opinion on this.

Odin Sphere's in game score was by Masaharu Iwata (15 tacks), Hitoshi Sakimoto (13), Kimihiro Abe (8), Mitsuhiro Kaneda (3) and Manabu Namiki (1 or 2, however you look at it)

Odin Sphere Leifthrasir's in game score was by Kazuki Higashihara (5), Masaharu Iwata (4), Mitsuhiro Kaneda (3), Yoshimi Kudo (3), Azusa Chiba (2), and Hitoshi Sakimoto (1)

Should I list only for the original game and then list the new composers seperately? Or should I merge these two together?

If I merge them then it will look like: Masaharu Iwata, Hitoshi Sakimoto, Kimihiro Abe, Mitsuhiro Kaneda, Kazuki Higashihara, Yoshimi Kudo, Azusa Chiba, and Manabu Nanaki 27.96.204.95 (talk) 08:03, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@27.96.204.95: Are they all new, original songs? I wouldn't combine them, as that would be confusing. I'd list them in the same format the publisher field is. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:33, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say about half new, half re-arrangements for Leifthrasir. Cool, but I'll still have to list Iwata first because in the actual original game he did just a bit more than Sakimoto. The album had a couple bonus tracks by Sakimoto which I'd say shouldn't count. Thanks for the clearing that up! 27.96.204.95 (talk) 11:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Two quick points --[edit]

Hey, D93. Two quick points from this edit: [1].

One, please keep the infobox photo captions as short as possible, so that the caption does not extend beyond the sides of the photo. Ideally, every infobox photo would be a roughly square head-and-shoulders shot of the subject, not an action shot in which the fact is not clearly visible. We should consider moving any photos that (a) require long captions/explanations, or (b) do not clearly show the subject's face, or (c) are strong vertical shots that distort the shape of the infobox, to the main body text.

Two, please do not remove the hidden text that includes a coach's former player position. As part of the ongoing merge for Infobox NFL coach and Infobox NFL player into the upgraded Infobox NFL biography, a separate parameter will be added to account for a current coach's title and a current or retired coach's former player position. It will not display properly at present, but that will be resolved in the next month or so. Please preserve this data wherever you find it.

Thanks for all you do. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Dirtlawyer1: I normally type out the entire team name for the users that may be unaware, even though it's obvious to NFL fans. As for the second option, my bad. I've been seeing them more and more but wasn't sure of the purpose, as I haven't been paying much attention to the massive infobox restructuring that has been going on for a while now. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PlatinumGames[edit]

What u said "this way takes up less space for the same info. I don't see why this was changed either.". Shouldn't it be the same for other articles such has Avalanche Studios and countless dev with similar format?. I wasted 10min for no reason then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.157.56 (talk) 04:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for input[edit]

Hi Dissident, is there any chance I could get you to contribute some answers here? Thanks! Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 01:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Information about NFL Project[edit]

Hi Dissident93,

I am currently enrolled in a Wikipedia class at American University and part of our assignment for this week was to join a Wikiproject and reach out to contributors. So far, I have been working on the Pro Bowl, NFL main page, History of the Giants, Darren McFadden and the New York Giants main page. Edits have mainly consisted of grammatical issues, adding citations and updating images. Is there anything else that a user should work on? Thanks, Spienciak (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Spienciak: For a non-full time project member? The more niche stuff like lesser-known player articles are handled by us, so you're doing good work with the more mainstream articles. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peyton Manning stats[edit]

Someone needs to update Peyton Manning stats on career area that he is not the MVP of SB50. Miller was MVP Howery04 (talk) 06:47, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Howery04: Where do you even see this? I did a quick skip of the article and didn't see anything like that. What's stopping you from fixing it? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:52, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

H!Z1[edit]

How many reviews do you need before they are more valid than your own mighty opinion?

  • Steam reviews are the opposite of reliable, and nobody is stopping you from adding a complete reception section yourself. Also, you resorting to name calling isn't going to help your case with any admin who sees your disruptive behavior. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:02, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Did you read WP:DONTREVERT? There are some relevant concepts there.
      • I have, but you adding non-reliable sources (Steam reviews, really?) doesn't count towards that, nor does being disruptive and non-civil. Your entire argument for adding it just comes down to WP:ILIKEIT. Nobody is against you adding a reception section with more than one Eurogamer link, as stated before. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:07, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • And your removing it comes down to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Further, you are violating good wikipedia practice by simply reverting the addition.

Two things[edit]

First off, I want to thank you for this edit on 400 yard game. I have to wonder where people come up with some of these. They can get pretty exotic. I removed some pretty odd ones on Odell Beckham a few days ago.

Secondly, I noticed on your userpage you created your account for video game music, and Ace Combat 5 immediately came to mind. I think it's criminally underrated, with some of the best music of any game out there, as well as the series as a whole. So thanks for your contributions in that area as well. Lizard (talk) 00:35, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"have taken" vs "took" on Kerbal Space Program[edit]

MOS:TENSE Mr. Spink talk★contribs 14:47, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @SpinkZeroZero: WP:RECENT. I have simply changed the structure of the sentence to state that they both took an interest of the game before its official release. Video game articles are normally written in past tense, if it's reception related. We wouldn't write a game article from 1985 in present tense, so where is the cutoff date? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:43, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we would. 2 3 There is no cutoff date. Video games are current. Mr. Spink talk★contribs 13:48, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@SpinkZeroZero: I've seen FA VG articles using past tense, and I'll take their status over these random, badly written articles. You wouldn't say "Reception to Super Mario Bros has been positive", because it's been 30 years since that sort of thing was relevant. You'd write it in a way that is futureproof friendly, not stuck in 1985, so why make an exception for a game released last year? There has to be a point where this sort of thing goes from current to past, and having it written in past tense isn't incorrect, and is more futureproof friendly otherwise. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dee Haslam[edit]

As per the Browns website, both Jimmy and Dee Haslam are listed as owners of the team, so don't remove Dee...they're considered co-owners.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 00:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Vjmlhds: Fair enough. The template used to have minority owners included, which is why I reverted it, thinking she was considered one. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • This was something the Browns started doing in the last few months...between you and me, I think they did it as a safeguard in case Jimmy were to have gotten indicted in the Pilot Flying J mess. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Vjmlhds: It's possible. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:24, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • These teams want to get all cutesy-fartsy with the titles for their executives, that it makes it more convoluted than what it needs to be. At the end of the day, DePodesta is in charge of the football organization and reports directly to the Haslams - essentially making him like a president or CEO. Sashi Brown is in charge of putting together the 53-man roster - essentially making him like a GM. But the Browns want to use these corporate-speak titles so they can show how "outside the box" they are with all these Harvard educated analytics geeks running things...please. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:40, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tantalus Media[edit]

As far as I can tell, the company's formal name is still Tantalus Media, so I'd say that's probably a better article title than Tantalus (company) or something similar. —zziccardi (talk) 23:09, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt"[edit]

Everything was "necessary", it is as though you didn't look over the edition from me. I corrected a lot of innacurate information, such as Geralt being "used", some of the content was about gameplay, so on. Freshness For Lettuce (talk) 05:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Pro football" vs "NFL"[edit]

I noticed you changed pro football to NFL on Calvin Johnson's infobox. Coincidentally I was looking at that same terminology on Lance Alworth earlier today. I think the reason for the "pro football" wording is because Alworth played the majority of his career in the AFL. In which case Johnson and Alworth don't actually share the "NFL" record, per se. I haven't looked into it but I'm not even sure if the claim is true, since "pro football" would include the CFL, NFL Europe, etc. I'd be in favor of eliminating it from both players' infoboxes. Lizard (talk) 01:13, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is/Are British-American variation[edit]

Apologies if you are already aware of this, but this is in reference to the Hot Chip revert on the hat-note. See here on the variation - in the past this has resulted in a number of reverts. Karst (talk) 15:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Karst: Interesting, well I guess it's better for the note to stay then. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:08, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, though it better to clarify the revert here. Yeah, it might seem like a very minor issue but it has been a point of conflict on a number of occasions. Better safe then sorry, I guess :) Karst (talk) 22:14, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tashaun Gipson[edit]

Thanks for fixing that edit of mine; I was undoing massive vandalism by 24.18.4.42, where he added random numbers to players everywhere. I evidently missed this check, and he actually had a source for one of his edits. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 04:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Tarlneustaedter: No worries, some people are just randomly assigning numbers without any source, so I don't blame you. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:22, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Salt and Sanctuary Windows vs PC edits[edit]

Few things:

1) To answer your question, there have been a number of games released for the OSX and not Windows. Bungie, prior to Halo, released five OSX/Mac only games. And though anecdotal, there was a game I was excited for little over a year ago until found that it was going to be OSX only. So while not many, there are definitely OSX-only games.

2) We cannot speak for someone. As a researcher, if my participant doesn't say something, I cannot say they were thinking, "such and such" or that they meant something that they didn't say. Wikipedia is an archive for accuracy, part of the reason they don't allow "first person edits." Therefore, we must only say what has been documented. So, since the devs said, "PC" and nothing else, we must assume that they were nondescript for a reason, or, which leads me to my next point

3) Windows, OSX, SteamOS, and Linux could all see the release for Salt and Sanctuary. So by saying "PC" they plan on releasing it to as many operating systems as they can.

These are why we should just quote them on saying, "PC" and not infer that it'll be for one OS or another. D-railer (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@D-railer: I get what you mean, but unless they say it's coming to other systems too, we can't actually assume that either. Windows has always been considered PC, and not the other platforms, so I don't see why we're being pendetic for this game, and not the various other articles that have done the same exact thing (and never been wrong). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:02, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissident93: Because I'm a scientist, and as a scientist, I cannot think for my test subjects. I cannot infer anything they did or did not say. Likewise, I cannot say a developer means X OS when they said nothing of the sort.

Wikipedia is about accuracy, and it has been fighting it as an uphill battle, as other scientists, professors, etc. see the what you're doing as not the truth and therefore kills any possibility of Wikipedia being taken seriously as research database.

That said, 1) The PC, or "personal computer" may be a poor man's word/acronym for, "a computer running Windows" but Microsoft did not start the personal computer movement. It was started by HP and then later Apple, of all companies, kept going with the idea of computers for the home. 2) You argument does not address if Ska Studios decides to put it on multiple operating systems. Thus, "PC" would be the best term no matter what OS they develop for.

Also, if we're throwing around articles that are light on the research, 'PC User' Doesn't Mean 'Windows User' And IMB should be ashamed of themselves. They have plethora of scientists, and that's the best they can come up with? With two articles and a blog for their references? My regular coursework for my M.Sc. had to have more references (with a minimum number being peer reviewed) for a research paper of similar length. D-railer (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @D-railer:First of all, I don't care who you are or what your profession is, you still need to follow Wikipedia guidelines. On Wikipedia, "PC" has always meant Windows (and in most general usage). Simply stating PC in the infobox isn't something we have ever done, as far as I know. I understand what you are trying to get at, but I think you'll find the majority of the VG Wikiproject would disagree with you. Can you try and name a game announced originally for "PC" that wasn't released on Windows? I'm going to open a discussion on the Wikiproject page, so I'd appreciate it if wait until a consensus for this develops to make any further changes. EDIT: just made the post, so you are welcome to bring you arguments for this there now. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:13, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Dissident93:I thought one of the major guidelines for Wikipedia was to post what has been said or written down. That's why I mentioned being a scientist. I'm not trying to stir up trouble, just going for truth and accuracy, something I think Wikipedia, both founders and members, respect. That said, maybe "Microsoft Windows (unconfirmed)" would work. Or maybe it's time to look at what happens when a developer is vague on their own announcements. I mean, Wikipedia is a "living" database, so it would make sense to have to adapt to the flaws of people.


       I've read the question you posted on the discussion page. Sounds reasonable and well said. D-railer (talk) 01:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @D-railer: Well you aren't wrong actually, as we normally try to avoid WP:CRYSTALBALLING whenever possible, but I can't recall of any case like this in the past. Many games were announced for "PC", which always ended up being Windows at the very least. Seems like something that should be documented somewhere, and I'm fine if either argument becomes the standard way to do things. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Dissident93:We're both arguing for accuracy, which I find rather funny. The documentation for their studio website and the game's website are both a usability nightmare. And honestly, we're not really the ones at fault here; Ska Studio, despite having good games, is being rather poor about the information they give out. However, they could have good reason, such having troubles with one of the builds due to the OS it's on and a final release for said OS is questionable. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. D-railer (talk) 02:05, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Player pages format[edit]

I've taken it upon myself to start this subpage since it's desperately needed. I added a section specifically for navboxes, so if there's anywhere to have some guidelines it might as well be here. Of course, I doubt our little friend will ever bother to look at that page but at least it'll exist now. I can't believe we've gone so long being content with just slapping whatever onto articles. For the past few weeks I've been trying to clean up infoboxes, which in my opinion is the most crucial part of an article, besides maybe the lead. Lizard (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have no words. This is a GA. This is the most viewed NFL related article on this website. It is "watched" by over 300 editors. And we let that slip in the LEAD for over 10 days. Lizard (talk) 03:28, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sports articles in general are mostly badly written, in comparison with other types of articles on Wikipedia. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:40, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Aye this is true. And yet sports articles easily have the most GA nominations out of any other category. On that note I do think Manning's article needs a re-assessment. That just can't happen on any GA, much less the most high profile individual in football at the moment. Does that really not surprise you? Because I was floored. I mean the copy-and-pasted footnotes were bad enough but the grammar and editorializing... Lizard (talk) 06:05, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it is. Not sure how or why something like that wasn't reverted by the first person who got the edit on their watchlist. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:20, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marquise Goodwin "release"[edit]

I wouldn't be so quick to update Goodwin's page to reflect a release -- I sense an April Fools play on words: his Twitter said nothing about a release, his words were "Wow, I can't believe that was my last time wearing this uni. Thanks #Billsmafia". Yes, his last game this year was the last game he wore that jersey, but that doesn't say anything about whether or not he's wearing it again in 2016 (his statement holds true regardless of whether or not he was released today). I see no other credible source reporting the release, and Sal Capaccio tweeted the same suspicion I have. Ctingyu08 (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, just saw a Sporting News article mentioning he's leaving to train for the Olympics. Ctingyu08 (talk) 22:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Ctingyu08: Maybe I shouldn't have been so quick to say he was released, but I wouldn't think a player would ever "joke" about it, even knowing what today is. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:58, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm I providing false information?[edit]

On the Splatoon article, I added a "memes" section that you kept taking down. Why can't you leave it up? Talk to me and we'll sort this out. DBZFan30 (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @DBZFan30: Exactly what I said in the edit summary. A "meme" section is non-standard to begin with, random tumblr and reddit posts are not sources, exactly what amount of likes and dislikes the youtube video got isn't notable, and the "meme" itself isn't even that important to mention, especially when everything these days is made into one. If you can find a reliable source that mentions it and the popularity of it, then maybe it belongs in the reception/legacy section, but anything else should be reverted on sight. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bloodborne Edit War[edit]

Hey, that user keeps adding Bloodborne back into the category. I've just reverted it a second time. I tried explaining to him that reviews always trump previews (IGN's review calls it semi open, and Eurogamer's, which is the website he cites for the preview, their review doesn't even mention the term open-world). If he does it again, I'd suggest we report it as edit warring, agreed?Dohvahkiin (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dohvahkiin: No disagreement from me. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous2601:582:C001:F344:445C:598F:F654:3A06 (talk)Apologies for that but the Forbes review refers to it as open world, here see for yourself http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/03/25/bloodborne-may-be-the-best-souls-game-yet/#3cfd61a6694e I'd love if we could come up with a compromise. Maybe create a new Semi open world tag to place Bloodborne in.

This is from the Wikipedia page for reliable sources for games (Forbes is listed as a situational source): "Forbes publishes content from salaried Forbes staff, and a vetted community of non-salaried Forbes contributors. Articles written by Forbes staff are reliable. Articles written by Forbes contributors do not have the same editorial oversight and may not be reliable. Editors are encouraged to find alternatives to contributor pieces." Thus, if you can find a review by a more reliable source, along with this one, the category can be added. Use this page, it helps: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources. Dohvahkiin (talk) 00:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Blitz: The League[edit]

If you have time and are interested, the article for Blitz: The League looks like a mess. A lot of original research in the gameplay section and possible BLP issues. I figure I'd be hard pressed to find a more qualified person when it comes to an NFL themed video game. Lizard (talk) 01:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Lizard the Wizard: I just went over and provided general guideline edits for now. I normally avoid sports game articles, since you just get overwhelmed by the amount of work needed to be done, only to have half of it ignored and written over by some IP. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:32, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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