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October 2022[edit]
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Hello, Cjmodica!
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- I am just now finding this page. I am so frustrated but I do appreciate all that you have done to help clean up my article. I am slow at learning how to get around in Wikipedia, and I don't understand it. What else I am supposed to do? Would you please tell me if I need to just give it up or do you see any potential in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4? I really don't want to give up. Cjmodica (talk) 02:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cjmodica You have submitted your draft for review, it is in the queue, please be patient it can take up to 4 months for reviews. I try not to review drafts twice. Theroadislong (talk) 07:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
AfC notification: Draft:Tommy Byars has a new comment[edit]
You user page[edit]
Please remove the draft from your user page, your draft should be edited here Draft:Tommy Byars only. Theroadislong (talk) 14:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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AfC notification: Draft:Tommy Byars has a new comment[edit]
AfC notification: Draft:Tommy Byars has a new comment[edit]
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Theroadislong (talk) 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you so much. I am extremely grateful for your assistance and advice. Cjmodica (talk) 21:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Please use edit summaries when you edit articles. It makes it easier for other editors who look at the Revision history to understand what you are doing. It wasn't that important while the article was a draft, but now you should use them. Happy editing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will quickly try to learn this and be more accurate. Cjmodica (talk) 07:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Encyclopaedic tone[edit]
Please note that content like "big bucks" is not encyclopaedic, if it is a quote then put it between quotation marks, but we cannot use slang content like that in Wikipedia's voice. Theroadislong (talk) 16:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you so much. I was quoting the the obituary and I will certainly correct it. I also have another question if I may ask it here. I corrected the titles and capitalized the major words in the titles but it reverted back to the original. According to my knowledge, all major words should be capitalized in titles, regardless of position in the title. Am I correct and if so, why did it revert back? Could it be possible that the changes didn't save when I hit the publish button? If I am incorrect, I don't want to keep wrongfully correcting something. Cjmodica (talk) 17:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I changed the headings per MOS:HEAD, which states headings "should be presented in sentence case". Theroadislong (talk) 17:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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October 2022[edit]
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Judith Jefferson Farrar, from its old location at User:Cjmodica/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 01:19, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't know that I started it somewhere else. Where do I go to open the correct draft? Thank you. The draft is just a start. I am still finding source information for it. Should I move it to the Sandbox until I find all the source? Cjmodica (talk) 02:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Judith Jefferson Farrar (October 14)[edit]
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- Some of the information taken was from various sites and I was rewording it. It wasn't ready for review, but someone moved it because I had started it in a draft instead of the Sandbox. Then when I went back to it, it was gone and could not find it. When I trid to go to Draft, I hit the wrong button for review. I thought it was goning to my draft. Wikipedia is extremely hard to find things. It would be much better if draft, review and sandbox were all on the menu. It is very confusing. Someone else can take over or delete. Thanks Cjmodica (talk) 12:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Copying text is quite simply not allowed. Copying text and rewording it is likely to result in close paraphrase which is still not allowed. I suggest you start again by writing the article in your own words without copying any text from the sources. See Help:Your first article for some tips on article creation. Navigating Wikipedia can be confusing for a new editor. Help and advice is available at Wikipedia:Teahouse. It's a great place to get your questions answered. Whpq (talk) 13:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Theroadislong I was writing it in my own words and never meant for it to go to review. I own copies of the books, Royal Ancestry, Vol I-V, by Douglass Richardson, Anscestors of American Presidents by Gary B. Roberts and The Farrar's Island Family and Its English Ancestry, Alvahn Holmes. Some of the information was found on WikiTree and Find a Grave which I found to be plagerized also and I was working on making it my own words. As you know, I have only been working in Wikipedia for a few weeks and I am still green at moving around in Wikipedia since it is not user friendly. I started the draft for Judith Jefferson and someone (I Dream of Horses) moved it because I had started it twice and I could not find it. Wikipedia is extremely hard to find things because there is no site menu. It would be less confusing if the buttons for draft, sandbox and review were all together on the menu of ones page. I was working on the article and had taken information from several sites. It was not supposed to be submitted at any rate as I had not even sited all the sources. Yes, I understand that it has to be in my own words, but the FAG information was not their own words either. Much of words were taken from Alvin Holmes' book The Farrar's Island Family and Its English Ancestry. After "I Dream of Horses" moved the draft, I could not find it again. I went to several places to find it and when I finally did find it, I wanted to move it to my Sandbox and hit submit thinking it was going there. This is not worth the time to keep trying. Thank you for all of your help you have given in the past for Tommy Byars which was all of my own words and work. Judith Jefferson would have been my own work when I finished, but because it got moved around and got me all confused, I think I need to just give it up. Thanks again. Cjmodica (talk) 13:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Copying text is quite simply not allowed. Copying text and rewording it is likely to result in close paraphrase which is still not allowed. I suggest you start again by writing the article in your own words without copying any text from the sources. See Help:Your first article for some tips on article creation. Navigating Wikipedia can be confusing for a new editor. Help and advice is available at Wikipedia:Teahouse. It's a great place to get your questions answered. Whpq (talk) 13:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
It was 96% copy and paste from Find a grave. Theroadislong (talk) 14:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but I didn't even get a chance to work on it. Next time I will do my work in my word processor rather than trying to work on your website and then I will copy and paste it to Wikipedia. The work in FAG was also not their own work either. All of that information in FAG was posted in Rootsweb years ago and FAG copied it from the Rootsweb address website that is no longer operating. Some of that information is also found in Farrar's Island Family and Its English Ancestry. I would like to see this woman on Wilipedia whether I do it or someone else does it. More notable women need to be acknowledged. May I start over or should I leave it alone? Cjmodica (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Find-a-grave is a user contributed web site, as is Rootsweb. I don't know what type of checks they run against copying text and images, but the fact that they copied it does not mean we are allowed to copy it. When you state
Some of that information is also found in Farrar's Island Family and Its English Ancestry
do you mean that those sites copied text from that book? The Farrar's Island family and its English ancestry is from 1972 and would still be under copyright. Text cannot be copied from copyrighted sources. - I encourage you to start over, but with very specific advice. Write the article in your own words. Do not copy text from your sources as a way to start the article. Even though you may change some of the words, it may result in close paraphrasing which is still not acceptable. Start the article from scratch and write it based on facts with sentences you write yourself. I also see you've had problems finding your draft. I suggest that you add a section to your user page(User:Cjmodica) to list articles you are working on and then include a link to your draft by adding this to the page: [[Draft:Judith Jefferson Farrar]]. You can then easily reach your draft by clicking on it from your user page. Please continue to take advantage of Wikipedia:Teahouse, a very helpful bunch of editors who can help if you have questions while developing your article. -- Whpq (talk) 16:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Yes, I will certainly write it in my own words which is what I intended to do in the first place, but never even got a chance to actually work on it. I was looking for the correct sources and began writing in the article. Several years ago, I traced own lineage back from Judith Jefferson through her grandmother, Mary Branch Jefferson who married Thomas Jefferson I, to 742AD, Charlemagne. Additionally, I traced her husband's lineage, George Farrar, all the way back to the same ancestor, Charlemagne. Both she and her husband share the same common ancestor, Charlemagne, as well as I do. I have all of my own work and sources, and that is what I was going to focus on regarding the Jefferson lineage. I had already cited the Royal Ancestry books by Douglass Richardson and was beginning to start writing, just didn't get a chance to put it in my own words. Question: Am I safe to work in Sandbox or should I work in my own computer and then dump it in Sandbox? Cjmodica (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- You can start in your sandbox, but I will reiterate, do not copy text into your sandbox, draft, article, etc. It is simply not allowed. -- Whpq (talk) 20:29, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Also, note that according to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources:
- "The content on Find a Grave is user-generated, and is therefore considered generally unreliable. Links to Find a Grave may sometimes be included in the external links section of articles, when the site offers valuable additional content, such as images not permitted for use on Wikipedia. Take care that the Find a Grave page does not itself contain prohibited content, such as copyright violations." (emphasis added)
- The way I read this, if you use information from FindAGrave as part of your article, you still need to find that same information, reliably sourced, somewhere else in order to include it in the article (since almost everything in an article needs to be referenced). You should start writing an article by gathering reliable sources first, then paraphrase what those reliable sources say (which is, not from FindAGrave). But, as mentioned, you should ask at the Teahouse or Help Desk. David10244 (talk) 08:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I see that below, you said you won't continue with this subject. But all of this advice will pertain to things you create in the future. There is a big learning curve here.... David10244 (talk) 08:21, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Yes, I will certainly write it in my own words which is what I intended to do in the first place, but never even got a chance to actually work on it. I was looking for the correct sources and began writing in the article. Several years ago, I traced own lineage back from Judith Jefferson through her grandmother, Mary Branch Jefferson who married Thomas Jefferson I, to 742AD, Charlemagne. Additionally, I traced her husband's lineage, George Farrar, all the way back to the same ancestor, Charlemagne. Both she and her husband share the same common ancestor, Charlemagne, as well as I do. I have all of my own work and sources, and that is what I was going to focus on regarding the Jefferson lineage. I had already cited the Royal Ancestry books by Douglass Richardson and was beginning to start writing, just didn't get a chance to put it in my own words. Question: Am I safe to work in Sandbox or should I work in my own computer and then dump it in Sandbox? Cjmodica (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Find-a-grave is a user contributed web site, as is Rootsweb. I don't know what type of checks they run against copying text and images, but the fact that they copied it does not mean we are allowed to copy it. When you state
Wikipedia and copyright[edit]
Hello Cjmodica! Your additions to Draft:Judith Jefferson Farrar have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 12:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am not continuing with this topic or any other topics for now. I appreciate all the advice. Cjmodica (talk) 14:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Help:Judith Jefferson[edit]
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- I believe that I am not going to go forward with Judith Jefferson because it is a bitter subject. I will just use this as a learning process. Judith Jefferson was just one in a bucket list. I have many other notable ancestors that I would like to write about. I will bypass her and acknowledge another woman in history. May I ask if I may quote a will that I transcribed from a copy of an original will of a Colonial ancestor in Amercica that was written before 1701? It is my own transcription of the original will. Cjmodica (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- The will would be public domain, but Wikipedia is not a source repository. A copy of a will might be acceptable for a genealogy, but unlikely to be acceptable as part of an encyclopedia article. I would also be concerned about original research, and it would need to be verifiable. -- Whpq (talk) 20:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not to be discouraging, but if your transcription has not been reliably published, it can't be used as a source. The core Wikipedia pillar of Verifiability means that any reader should, in theory, using the citations in an article, be able to verify the information in that article. I'm not saying that YOU would make stuff up, but some people do make stuff up -- that's exactly why sites with user-generated content are not usable as sources. This includes blogs, IMDB for movies (not so much made-up stuff as just inaccuracies), YouTube videos where people make assertions, etc. I can say in my blog that the population of Denver, Colorado is 500 million. You then want to use that as a reference for an article. You see how my blog is not a good reference for Wikipedia? My blog is not "reliably published with with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control".
- It gets easier once you get the reasons behind the policies. Now you'll see why your transcription of a will can't be used as a source or a reference. Readers can't verify your transcription. Cheers. David10244 (talk) 08:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- The reliable source is the certified copy of the original will from the Library of Virginia. Cjmodica (talk) 14:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wills are primary sources, articles require published secondary sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- The reliable source is the certified copy of the original will from the Library of Virginia. Cjmodica (talk) 14:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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AfC notification: Draft:Ray Byars has a new comment[edit]
- @CharlemagneJane, @Theroadislong The paragraph that contains "... earned expert licenses through AMA ..." is backed by ref 53, which takes me to a page which asks me to sign up for Ancestry.com. That ref is no good. David10244 (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will try to fix it. Thanks again. CharlemagneJane (talk) 21:18, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- I removed the references that contained copies of original federal census records. I will try to pull them up another way. Thank you. CharlemagneJane (talk) 21:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will try to fix it. Thanks again. CharlemagneJane (talk) 21:18, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
MoS[edit]
Glancing at recent changes to your draft, I see that you need to read the Manual of Style, for example MOS:CURLY. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I will do so. I am working dilligently to make the article correct. Could you please tell me what I did wrong? CharlemagneJane (talk) 21:29, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Inappropriate categories[edit]
Please STOP adding totally inappropriate categories to Tommy Byars and other articles it is getting VERY disruptive. Theroadislong (talk) 20:56, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't know they were inappropriate. Someone suggested that I need more categories so that is what I was doing. Sorry, I will leave it alone. Being disruptive is NOT my nature. Still learning by mistakes! CharlemagneJane (talk) 20:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
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