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Please help me with... how to respond to a comment in Teahouse. I am a brand-new user trying my first edit. I posted a question == How to change article title? == in Teahouse about Hank (textile) which I have changed to Hank (unit of measure). I also fixed the Disambiguation page. I would now like to know whether I need to add a reference to support the statement about the use of the word hank in the meat industry, or if it is sufficient that a reference appears in the linked article Sausage_casing. What are the mechanics of continuing the comments in the original posting in Teahouse? Do I edit the posting or is there some other procedure? Thank you! CMtemCA (talk) 20:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! You can go to the Wikipedia:Teahouse, find the How to change article title? section header, and click the "Edit" or "Edit source" link next to the section header. Then type your response, sign your post with the four tildes, and click [Publish changes]. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please help me with... I have made some changes to Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie and have some questions. Are the sources I found (Refs 2 and 3) OK? Are they sufficient to remove the tag regarding single source? In the Publications list, I added her most recent book using the Visual Editor, but I noticed that the links to ISBN and the ISBN number were not inserted. Do I need to do that using Edit Source following the format for the other entries? Please let me know of any other suggestions. I'm new at this! Thanks. CMtemCA (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the {{single source}} tag and replaced it with {{BLP sources}}. The referencing for the article remains woefully bad and large chunks might need to be removed for lack of sources.

Using the Visual Editor in the way you did is fine – you have to work within its limitations. I don't know how the 'nowiki' tags ended up around the ISBN, but I'll fix that by using the {{ISBN}} template instead.

Note that the link to her faculty page has gone bad; we need to either find a new one or try to add an archive link.

I'll watch this page for a while to see if you undertake any more fixes. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please help me with... following up on Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie Thanks to jmcgnh for your help so far. I'm not sure how to continue the conversation with you directly. I found some information on Marilyn's family (children and former spouse) at https://prabook.com/web/marilyn_bailey.ogilvie/3478489. Is Prabook a valid source? It also supports some of the other information in the Wikipedia article. I also found the family information in a Washington Post obituary of her former husband. How would I cite that article in the Infobox? There is no other information of interest in the obituary. Finally, in the list of her books, I linked the name Margaret Norse Nice in the first book title to the corresponding Wikipedia article. Is that OK? CMtemCA (talk) 23:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just reply to the message, no need to use the {{help me}} template again or to create a new section.

To do this the 'right' way, you would use a template like {{reply|username}} so the user will most likely receive a notification that you were talking to them, but - as I said - I'll be watching this page for a while so it's not strictly required that you do anything extra.

Prabook, to all appearances, is user-generated content and a dead end for following up on where they get their information, so, no, it would not be considered a suitable source.

Obituaries can be used as sources, just like any other newspaper or magazine article, but their uses are fairly limited and it depends on who appears to have written them. When mainly written by family members, they are insufficiently independent and not known to be fact checked.

To my mind, there should never be references in an infobox. An infobox is intended to summarize material already present in the body of the article and the references should be there.

I would recommend not inserting wikilinks into book titles. If the subject is worth linking, then it's worth a sentence somewhere where the person can be mentioned and linked. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:10, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{{reply|jmcgnh}}OK - I'm trying the template just for practice. I agree with you about Prabook - it definitely looked "iffy" to me. The obituary in the Washington Post was written by someone on their staff, so I used it and added a sentence to the Biography section to connect the source to. I also added a paragraph connecting the theme of women in science to the book titles and used the wikilinks there instead of in the book titles. I have been trying without success to find more good sources on Marilyn Ogilvie. Any suggestions? I started working on this article because I found it in the Task Center and I wanted to get more comfortable with how Wikipedia works before tackling anything more complex. But I don't want to make a "career" of fixing this one article! Thanks again for your help.CMtemCA (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{{reply|jmcgnh}}Regarding Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie I found the article Wikipedia:Notability (academics) which indicates that Notability can be established at least to some extent by the number of libraries holding the person's books according to WorldCat, so I put in a reference with that information. Is that sufficient? CMtemCA (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CMtemCA, Sorry, you did something strange with the reply template so it took me a while to get around to looking back here.

Yes, library holdings of books can be an element for academic notability and WorldCat can be used to demonstrate it. Whether it's 'sufficient' is hard to say, since I've found there are unwritten rules around academic notability and some very experienced editors see notability in places where I don't.

But I don't think we're arguing about whether the notability threshold has been met. Instead, we're trying to make sure that all of the facts about Ogilvie in the article can be verified from published, reliable sources - preferably independent ones. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmcgnh: OK, I read up a little on templates, so please let me know if this is correct (and if not, what I did wrong). Regarding Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie I think the sources are all good now. The only thing I couldn't find in a reliable source is her date of birth (March 22, 1936). The full date appears in the prabook.com listing, which I didn't use as a source per our previous discussion. The article about her being honored by the History of Science Society indicates that her 80th birthday was in 2016, so that supports the year 1936. Should I change it to just show the year? CMtemCA (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CMtemCA, Yes, the notification worked this time.

Yes, I'm afraid the data in the article should reflect only what is available in the cited sources, so without a birthdate reference, you may be stuck with just the year. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmcgnh: I believe the article Marilyn Bailey Ogilvie is OK now. I rearranged the text a little to make it flow better, and I changed her birthdate to just the year. I also removed the maintenance templates. Let me know if there's anything else I should do. Thanks! CMtemCA (talk) 22:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Essay: Mobile editing

Arbitration report: Arbitration Committee Election 2022

Recent research: Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement in talk page disputes

Serendipity: Wikipedia about FIFA World Cup 2022: quick, factual and critical

Featured content: Would you like to swing on a star?

Traffic report: Football, football, football! Wikipedia Football Club!

CommonsComix: #4: The Course of WikiEmpire

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From the team: We heard zoomers liked fortnights: the biweekly Signpost rides again

Special report: Coverage of 2022 bans reveals editors serving long sentences in Saudi Arabia since 2020

News and notes: Revised Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines up for vote, WMF counsel departs, generative models under discussion

In the media: Court orders user data in libel case, Saudi Wikipedia in the crosshairs, Larry Sanger at it again

Technology report: View it! A new tool for image discovery

In focus: Busting into Grand Central

Serendipity: How I bought part of Wikipedia – for less than $100

Gallery: What is our responsibility when it comes to images?

Humour: New geologically speedy deletion criteria introduced

Opinion: Good old days, in which fifth-symbol-lacking lipograms roam'd our librarious litany

Featured content: Flip your lid

Traffic report: The most viewed articles of 2022

From the archives: Five, ten, and fifteen years ago

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From the editor: New for the Signpost: Author pages, tag pages, and a decent article search function

News and notes: Foundation update on fundraising, new page patrol, Tides, and Wikipedia blocked in Pakistan

Section 230: Twenty-six words that created the internet, and the future of an encyclopedia

Disinformation report: Wikipedia on Santos

Special report: Legal status of Wikimedia projects "unclear" under potential European legislation

In the media: Furor over new Wikipedia skin, followup on Saudi bans, and legislative debate

Op-Ed: Estonian businessman and political donor brings lawsuit against head of national Wikimedia chapter

Opinion: Study examines cultural leanings of Wikimedia projects' visual art coverage

Recent research: Wikipedia's "moderate yet systematic" liberal citation bias

WikiProject report: WikiProject Organized Labour

Tips and tricks: XTools: Data analytics for your list of created articles

Featured content: 20,000 Featureds under the Sea

Traffic report: Films, deaths and ChatGPT

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News and notes: Terms of Use update, Steward elections, and Wikipedia back in Pakistan

In the media: Arbitrators open case after article alleges Wikipedia "intentionally distorts" Holocaust coverage

Disinformation report: The "largest con in corporate history"?

Essay: Machine-written articles: a new challenge for Wikipedia

Tips and tricks: All about writing at DYK

Featured content: Eden, lost.

Gallery: Love is in the air

Traffic report: Superbowl? Pfft. Give me some Bollywood! Yours sincerely, the world

From the archives: 5, 10, and 15 years ago: Let's (not) delete the Main Page!

Cobwebs: Editorial: The loss of the moral high ground

Humour: The RfA Candidate's Song

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News and notes: What's going on with the Wikimedia Endowment?

Technology report: Second flight of the Soviet space bears: Testing ChatGPT's accuracy

In the media: What should Wikipedia do? Publish Russian propaganda? Be less woke? Cover the Holocaust in Poland differently?

Featured content: In which over two-thirds of the featured articles section needs to be copied over to WikiProject Military History's newsletter

Recent research: "Wikipedia's Intentional Distortion of the Holocaust" in Poland and "self-focus bias" in coverage of global events

From the archives: Five, ten, and fifteen years ago

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News and notes: Wikimania submissions deadline looms, Russian government after our lucky charms, AI woes nix CNET from RS slate

Eyewitness: Three more stories from Ukrainian Wikimedians

In the media: Paid editing, plagiarism payouts, proponents of a ploy, and people peeved at perceived preferences

Featured content: Way too many featured articles

Interview: 228/2/1: the inside scoop on Aoidh's RfA

Traffic report: Who died? Who won? Who lost?

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From the editor: Some long-overdue retractions

News and notes: Sounding out, a universal code of conduct, and dealing with AI

In the media: Twiddling Wikipedia during an online contest, and other news

Arbitration report: "World War II and the history of Jews in Poland" case is ongoing

Featured content: Hail, poetry! Thou heav'n-born maid

Recent research: Language bias: Wikipedia captures at least the "silhouette of the elephant", unlike ChatGPT

From the archives: April Fools' through the ages

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News and notes: Staff departures at Wikimedia Foundation, Jimbo hands in the bits, and graphs' zeppelin burns

In the media: Contested truth claims in Wikipedia

Obituary: Remembering David "DGG" Goodman

Arbitration report: Holocaust in Poland, Jimbo in the hot seat, and a desysopping

Opinion: What Jimbo's question revealed about scamming

Op-Ed: Wikipedia as an anchor of truth

Special report: Signpost statistics between years 2005 and 2022

News from the WMF: Collective planning with the Wikimedia Foundation

Featured content: In which we described the featured articles in rhyme again

From the archives: April Fools' through the ages, part two

Humour: The law of hats

Traffic report: Long live machine, the future supreme

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News and notes: New legal "deVLOPments" in the EU

In the media: Vivek's smelly socks, online safety, and politics

Recent research: Gender, race and notability in deletion discussions

Featured content: I wrote a poem for each article, I found rhymes for all the lists; My first featured picture of this year now finally exists!

Arbitration report: "World War II and the history of Jews in Poland" approaches conclusion

News from the WMF: Planning together with the Wikimedia Foundation

Special report: There Shall Be Seasons Refreshing – Stories from WikiConference India 2023

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News and notes: Golden parachutes: Record severance payments at Wikimedia Foundation

In the media: History, propaganda and censorship

Arbitration report: Final decision in "World War II and the history of Jews in Poland"

Recent research: Create or curate, cooperate or compete? Game theory for Wikipedia editors

Featured content: A very musical week for featured articles

Traffic report: Coronation, chatbot, celebs

WikiProject report: Wikipedians Convene for Queering Wikipedia 2023: The First International LGBT+ Wikipedia Conference

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News and notes: WMRU director forks new 'pedia, birds flap in top '22 piccy, WMF weighs in on Indian gov's map axe plea

In the media: Section 230 stands tall, WP vs. UK bill, Miss Information dissed again

Featured content: Poetry under pressure

Traffic report: Celebs, controversies and a chatbot in the public eye

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News and notes: WMF Terms of Use now in force, new Creative Commons licensing

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Featured content: Content, featured

Recent research: Hoaxers prefer currently-popular topics

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News and notes: Online Safety Bill: Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia UK launch open letter

Disinformation report: Imploded submersible outfit foiled trying to sing own praises on Wikipedia

In the media: Journo proposes mass Wiki dox, sponsored articles on Fandom, Section 230 discussed

Featured content: Incensed

Traffic report: Are you afraid of spiders? Arnold? The Idol? ChatGPT?

Humour: United Nations dispatches peacekeeping force to Wikipedia policy discussions

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News and notes: Big bux hidden beneath wine-dark sea as we wait for the Tides to go out?

In the media: Tentacles of Emirates plot attempt to ensnare Wikipedia

Obituary: David Thomsen (Dthomsen8) and Ingo Koll (Kipala)

News from the WMF: ABC for Fundraising: Advancing Banner Collaboration for fundraising campaigns

In focus: Are the children of celebrities over-represented in French cinema?

Tips and tricks: What automation can do for you (and your WikiProject)

Recent research: Wikipedia-grounded chatbot "outperforms all baselines" on factual accuracy

Humour: New fringe theories to be introduced

Cobwebs: If you're reading this, you're probably on a desktop

Featured content: Scrollin', scrollin', scrollin', keep those readers scrollin', got to keep on scrollin', Rawhide!

Traffic report: The Idol becomes the Master

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News and notes: City officials attempt to doxx Wikipedians, Ruwiki founder banned, WMF launches Mastodon server

In the media: Truth, AI, bull from politicians, and climate change

Disinformation report: Hot climate, hot hit, hot money, hot news hot off the presses!

Obituary: Donald Cram, Peter McCawley, and Eagleash

Tips and tricks: Citation tools for dummies!

Humour: Does Wikipedia present neutral perspectives?

In focus: Journals cited by Wikipedia

Opinion: Are global bans the last step?

Featured content: Featured Content, 1 to 15 July

Traffic report: Come on Oppie, let's go party

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News and notes: Dude, Where's My Donations? Wikimedia Foundation announces another million in grants for non-Wikimedia-related projects

In the media: An accusation of bias from Brazil, a lawsuit from Portugal, plagiarism from Florida

In focus: 2023 Good Article Nomination drive is underway: get your barnstars here!

Special report: Thirteen years later, why are most administrators still from 2005?

Tips and tricks: How to find images for your articles, check their copyright, upload them, and restore them

Cobwebs: Getting serious about writing

Opinion: Copyright trolls, or the last beautiful free souls on this planet?

Serendipity: Why I stopped taking photographs almost altogether

Featured content: Barbenheimer confirmed

Humour: Arbitration Committee to accept case against Right Honorable Frimbley Cantingham, 15th Viscount Bellington-upon-Porkshire

Traffic report: 'Cause today it just goes with the fashion

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From the editor: Beta version of signpost.news now online

News and notes: You like RecentChanges?

In the media: Taking it sleazy

Recent research: The five barriers that impede "stitching" collaboration between Commons and Wikipedia

Draftspace: Bad Jokes and Other Draftspace Novelties

Humour: The Dehumourification Plan

Traffic report: Raise your drinking glass, here's to yesterday

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News and notes: Wikimedia power sharing – just an advisory role for the volunteer community?

In the media: "Just flirting", going Dutch and Shapps for the defence?

Obituary: Nosebagbear

Serendipity: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no paywall, for thou, Wikipedia Library, art with me

Featured content: Catching up

Concept: Strange portal opened by CERN researchers brings Wikipedia articles from "other worlds"

Traffic report: Some of it's magic, some of it's tragic

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News and notes: Wikimedia Endowment financial statement published

In the media: History is written by whoever can harness the most editors

Recent research: Readers prefer ChatGPT over Wikipedia; concerns about limiting "anyone can edit" principle "may be overstated"

Featured content: By your logic,

Concept: Wikipedia policies from other worlds: WP:NOANTLERS

Poetry: "The Sight"

Traffic report: There shall be no slaves in the land of lands, it's a Bollywood jam

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News and notes: Where have all the administrators gone?

In the media: Thirst traps, the fastest loading sites on the web, and the original collaborative writing

Gallery: Before and After: Why you don't need to know how to restore images to make massive improvements

Featured content: Yo, ho! Blow the man down!

Traffic report: The calm and the storm

News from Diff: Sawtpedia: Giving a Voice to Wikipedia Using QR Codes

Humour: New citation template introduced for divine revelations, drug use, and really thinking about it

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Arbitration report: Admin bewilderingly unmasks self as sockpuppet of other admin who was extremely banned in 2015

In the media: UK shadow chancellor accused of ripping off WP articles for book, Wikipedians accused of being dicks by a rich man

News and notes: Board candidacy process posted, editors protest WMF privacy measure, sweet meetups

Opinion: An open letter to Elon Musk

WikiCup report: The WikiCup 2023

News from Wiki Ed: Equity lists on Wikipedia

Recent research: How English Wikipedia drove out fringe editors over two decades

Featured content: Like putting a golf course in a historic site.

Wikidata: Evaluating qualitative systemic bias in large article sets on Wikipedia

Traffic report: Cricket jumpscare

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In the media: Propaganda and photos, lunatics and a lunar backup

News and notes: Update on Wikimedia's financial health

Traffic report: If it bleeds, it leads

Recent research: Canceling disputes as the real function of ArbCom

Wikimania: Wikimania 2024 scholarships

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