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Hello, Vanished user 201913! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! — Satori Son 20:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Welcome

Glad you've decided to register. Here's your first barnstar:

		Football (soccer) barnstar
		for your work as an anonymous editor, keep it up Vasco! BanRay 11:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

re:

Seems someone has already fixed the page you were talking about. As for the userpage, I'll be happy to help. BanRay 19:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hi there Vasco, glad to here that you've decided to become a full-time registered WikiEditor, and as you correctly say then every edit you make under your name will add up. Here's my advice about what to do next:

1. Edit your user page (User:NothingButAGoodNothing) with some brief biographical details about yourself - who you are, where you're from, what you like etc. Have a look at my page for some help.
2. If you want to join WP:FOOTBALL then please simply add yourself to the list of participants. When joining the project, you should watch the WP:FOOTBALL page. This allows you to keep up-to-date with discussions about the project on the talk page. Then simply get editing, and take part in discussions about the wonderful world of football.

Happy editing! Kind regards, GiantSnowman 23:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey again, I've created you a basic userpage, hope it looks OK! Thanks, GiantSnowman 14:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Inre this diff: Keep the faith. Sometimes the wheels grind slowly, but they do grind. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Its all a matter of outlasting those who exasperate you and knowing that even the worst vandalism can be reverted. Keep up the strength and resolve that continues to improve Wiki. Best regards, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

You can only do so much. I am sorry that you are leaving. Perhaps after a short while you might return. We'll be here for you. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

download's special barnstar

		download's special barnstar
		Good job noticing the small print! It's a quality more people should have. -download | sign! 03:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Reporting vandals

Hi Vasco. It's nothing you've done wrong, and it's nothing against you at all - so don't worry. The best place to report persistent vandals of pages is at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Hope this helps! GiantSnowman 23:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello. I think you can read Wikipedia:Vandalism, particularly the section How to respond to vandalism, and see what you can do.

Another way, since the pages are football-related, is to go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football and raise the issue there. Just point out that this vandal, using different IP addresses, has continously been putting false information on pages of AEK Athens players. There should be a few administrators out there who can help you with the problem.

Hope this helps! Chanheigeorge (talk) 03:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

re:pedido

claro, é simples, basta incluires o código {{nome do template}} na tua mensagem. Por exemplo, se eu colocar {{subst:smile}} aqui, irá produzir:

Waldir ^talk has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

E a escolha é variada! se fores à página do template:smile poderás ver que ele encontra-se na categoria Category:WikiLove templates. Basta seguires esse link para ver uma lista considerável de templates disponíveis para usares. Espero ter ajudado. Um abraço, Waldir ^talk 19:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Convém fazeres preview para veres como irá ficar. O tls é apenas para demonstração do código a usar; quando queres colocar mesmo o template, usa directamente algo como "{{subst:smile}}" (não faças editar desta vez para ver o código, copia mesmo o texto entre aspas! :) --Waldir ^talk 22:15, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Certo! Obrigado, e para ti também ;) --Waldir ^talk 23:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Héctor Berenguel

Hi Vasco, getting rid of duplicate articles is quite easy. All you havr to do is edit the article you DON'T want, and redirect it to the article you DO want, with something like this:

#REDIRECT [[Héctor Berenguel]]

Any more questions then just ask! Thanks, GiantSnowman 09:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

AIV reporting

Hi Vasco, now that you seem to be coming across edit of and being the target of more and more vandals it becomes important that your events are dealt with by a number of different administrators and that records of these events are kept in a more centralised location. To assist could you please make all future reports of vandals at this page. You'll note that there is a very precise reporting method which must be followed and that your report will be dealt with (usually) at a very fast pace. Of course I may be one of the admins that also deal with your reports there. With thanks and good luck --VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your questions to me

Hi, first don't give up on trying to put your edits in at Death of Baby P. The problem I saw, this is trying to remember from off the top of my head so apologies in advance, is mostly concerns with Biographies of a living person With articles about people the rules are real strict for obvious reasons. With the horrendous nature of this crime it has brought out a lot of emotions in some people too which makes me maybe a little too cautious. I took a quick glance at what I reverted and maybe I was incorrect about doing a complete reverse, I'm not sure. I recently had surgery on my spine so I am having a bit of trouble focusing my thoughts so I do apologise for that. There is nothing at all for you to apologize for though. May I suggest you rereading what you put in and taking the simplier things you said you did and readd them. I found that the tone of how you were commenting on the people who did the crime was too strong. Now I could be wrong about this and wouldn't mind at all if you asked someone else to take a look. I am just slowly coming back to editing but with the pain meds, physical therapy I tire real easy which makes it easier for me to make an error. If you would like in the morning I will relook at what you put into the article and see what it was, I just can't right now. I hope you understand. But mainly, don't worry about this. Everything can be reverted so be bold. Happy editing, --CrohnieGal^Talk 16:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Just want to let you know that it was my mistake not yours. I had an editor I trust check my revert of yours and for the most part your additions were good and I shouldn't have reverted. Please except my apologies for this error. You can see what was said about your edits on my talk page by User:Wildhartlivie. Thank you in advance, --CrohnieGal^Talk 09:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I am giving this to you for your kindness and understanding, thank you very much.

		The Special Barnstar
		I award this Barnstar to User:NothingButAGoodNothing for being kind and assuming good faith. Thank you for understanding, --CrohnieGalTalk 12:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Rollback

I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback correctly, and for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. NW (Talk) 02:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

star

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For you great contributions to the footy-world. Sandman888 (talk) Latest FLC 06:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Your Welcomed Response to my Note

Dear Vascal:

Thank you very much for your civil reply to my concerns. This "no-IP" talk page is QUITE impressive, sir, and I congratulate you on your past efforts and successes here at Wikipedia. I hope you continue to contribute, and if you ever need to blow up and raise #$%^^&, please feel free to drop me a NASTY message on my talk page anytime :-)

I wish you the best, in life and in cyberspace. If I can be of assistance, let me know. Further, I will immediately let the administrator I contacted know of your polite answer, good faith intent, and your wish to improve ... like we ALL need to - I have myself blown up a time or two :-)

Best regards to you from your Wikifriend: Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS (talk) 02:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC) (a/k/a Uploadvirus)

I contacted the admin User:Chzz IMMEDIATELY after I posted this ... but I was too late, and I think I you may get, or will get, a 24-hour block. I'm sorry about that - it was nothing personal! When you get back here, post me and let me know how you are.

P.S. - this editor is one VERY nice person, drop Chzz a nice note like your kind and on-point one that did on my page, and see what happens!

Best regards:

Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS (talk) 02:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked this account for 24 hours to match the ip block. As in the block log, "A block applies to the user that was making the disruption, not just the Ip address." I hope you will come back from this block a better editor. Remember, try to remain calm, even with your condition. —GFOLEY FOUR— 02:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

You have new messages

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 Chzz  ►  03:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back

Boas Vasco. Espero que tenhas chegado a conclusão de que não vale a pena reagir assim a essas situações. Afinal, mantendo a calma e dialogando de forma muito mais leve até pode ser ainda mais benéfico. Sabes que muitas vezes o que esses vandalos mais querem é que percamos a calma. Não lhes façamos a vontade. Manter a calma e fazer com que sejam eles a enervarem-se é que é a solução. Keep cool! Sempre que precises desabafar ou de ajuda a combatê-los conta comigo. O teu wiki amigo, FkpCascais (talk) 04:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Ó Vasco, deve ser este calor que me esta a deixar estupidificado, más ví o teu comentário na footy e lembrei-me de uma coisa: onde é que está a lista dos códigos IP para países? FkpCascais (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Boa pá, é isso mesmo. Granda cromice, nem sabía disso. Isto ajuda, e muito! ´brigado! FkpCascais (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Glad You're Back!

Dear Vasco:

I'm glad you are back, and have been wondering about how you're doing. Thanks for your VERY kind words you left on my page.

I reply here, with a "new section", instead of at my page where you posted, to symbolize "a new start". Look, I'm sorry about everything that happened. I'm not even sure how I got started on it, to be honest, and I'm too tired and in too much hurry to re-read everything. My remarks about being really offended were probably WAY exaggerated, I don't remember, really. Things have been hard for me, too, in the real world.

So let me just say LETS FORGET IT. I got a lot going on, same as you, and I probably over-reacted. I look forward to seeing you around, will keep you in my prayers, and hope you do the same for me. Let's both BE TOUGH, and move forward, in our personal lives, and in building this encyclopedia together, which I hope will benefit people long after we are gone. See you later!

Your friend: Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS (talk) 12:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Marco Paixão

Hi Vasco, hope all is well. I suppose it doesn't make much difference whether or not it is a 'Reference' or an 'External link' - after all, the information is still present - but my reading of WP:EL says that these links on this page should be presented as inline citations. Kind regards, GiantSnowman 14:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Nice Job :-)

... saw where you've been busy yet again! Great job! Just wanted to give credit where credit it due. Keep up the good work!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		To Vasco, for his diligent efforts in spotting, exposing, and reverting Vandalism wherever it may be found. Respectfully bestowed, by your friend, this 17th day of April, 2011: Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS (talk) 18:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Ermineraz

or however you spell it. I've given them a level-2 warning. Next time you notice them doing it, if it's sometime soon, just continue the warning process with a level-3. See {{uw-vandalism3}}, which is appropriate for repeated disruptive edits. Don't shout at them or talk to them, just edit the May 2011 section by adding

{{subst:uw-vandalism3|article-name}} ~~~~

replacing "article-name" with the name of the page where they've changed the stats without changing the date, and use the edit summary "level 3 warning", nothing more than that. If they do it again, go up to level 4 by adding

{{subst:uw-vandalism4|article-name}} ~~~~

Then if they do it again, report them at WP:AIV for "disruptive editing, changing footballer stats without changing as-of date, after polite requests and full set of warnings". cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:08, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Confused

Re your edit summary: "Yes DOOMGAZE, nice work, but leave clubs unpiped in BOX! Please?" I have to say I'm really confused, I don't remember piping or unpiping anything in the David de Gea infobox. Cheers, doomgaze (talk) 23:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey no worries. I can see where that might have happened. I had to revert quite far back due to vandalism so I may have accidentally changed something that I didn't mean to. I've got the article semi-protected anyway so it should be vandalism-free for a while. Keep up the good work, take care. doomgaze (talk) 23:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I'M NOT A VANDAL.

LOL, dude, not strange at all. maybe his great grand father is from Burkina Faso, lol. :) --Hydao (talk) 08:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Nuno André Coelho

Saludos Vasco, sorry for not replying sooner, but as of late am just in and out. Thank you for keeping me up to date with was is going on. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Quique Flores

Existe cierta controversia ya que el nombre se puede decir de ambas formas. Yo lo dejaría en "Quique Flores" pero si se pone Sánchez pues lo que quieran la mayoría. Un saludo. Qampunen (talk) 17:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

hi

no estoy haciendo vandalismo....en la pagina de ingles de wikipedia se ponen Solo los nombres.....en la versión española si le ponen los "accesorios" FC, AS, entre otros... relax que yo trato de contribuir enlo que puedo....NO DESTRUIR ...UN SLAUDO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.84.23.35 (talk) 17:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No soy grosero, lo que sucede es que mi pc estaba presentando fallas y al hacer el undo de "quique flores" al "quiue Sánchez flores" se quedaba "atorado" el pc, y no sabía si se había hecho o no el cambio....además si ud cree que lo fui le pido disculpas xq no soy así, y contesto cortésmente cuando de la misma manera me hablan.....por otra parte he colocado Quique Sánchez Flores porque él se llama así...nuestros nombres son españoles no portugueses dónde se pone primero el apellido materno. las cosas se hacen con lógica. Si les parece más bien coloquen Quique Sánchez, solución salomónica y problema resuelto....UN SALUDO.. (PD. auqnue tengo cuenta entro con mi ip sin registrar por "descomplique", pero ya hemos hablado en otro momento desde la misma :D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.84.23.35 (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

amigo, como no hemos llegado a consenso con los "accesorios" de los nombres de los equipos...y citas por ej. el FC Barcelona.....en la wikipedia en ingles, se colocaba solo el nombre ej. Barcelona, en la version espanola si se estila colocarlo completo. Pero asi como pides que sea completo el nombre de dicho equipo o el del GETAFE, o Valencia, tambien habria que hacerlo con el "Club Atletico de Madrid" o "Real Madrid Club de Futbol", y a mi modo de ver seria mas largo y engorroso. Yo opino que todos con accesorios o todos sin dicho "accesorio"... Un Saludo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.84.23.35 (talk) 16:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Lucho

Hi, I am not sure I wrote 10 to 15 line paragrahps where I don't mention him. But I would write about games he was not included to show that when he got back into the team he influenced proceedings. However before I edited the page all it said about his Marseille career was that he played with fellow Argentinian Gabriel Heinze and that he won Ligue 1 so I am just happy that it has relevant info now. I also edited Lisandro Lopez's page a lot so you can see if I was overwriting there and edit it to Wikipedia's standards. Rupert1904 (talk) 11:42, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Re your message. For what it's worth, my general view of footballer article content is:

Only mentioning when a player joined each club, what division it was in, and if they won anything is a start, but it's not enough

Listing every match played and every goal scored by a player is overdoing it

Ideally, we'd land somewhere in between: including enough detail to give the reader a rough understanding of the player's contribution to the team(s) he played for, so long as it's reliably sourced, neutral in tone, and not the editor's personal opinion. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 12:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Vasco

Many thanks Vasco, like you I am hugley irritated by vandalism, and it is always important for the correct information to be on player pages. As for the Aguero page "Atlético/Athletico", I remember I hadn't checked the history and didn't realise that it had been somebody correcting vandalism :( These people need to be stopped! Keep it up mate - --82.32.209.70 (talk) 20:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Categorization

Bemvidos Vasco, the People from Malaga category is a disambiguation category—it should always be empty. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Javier Carpio

Hi there CREATOR, VASCO from Portugal here,

in this footballer's article, me being the one editor in between your last two (anon, i was logged off), do you mind telling me where did i fail to give a reason for my removal of the prod? Maybe you did not agree with my reason, but that's another story...

If it was a matter of language, i'll rephrase it better now, hopefully: in my view, this (and several others) article has no storyline, no transfer news, goal news to backup, no sentences whatsoever. So, why are the external links not sufficient as sources in your opinion?

Keep up the good work - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Vasco. On the English Wikipedia since the {{Prod blp/dated}} was applied, all biographies of living people created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one reliable source. A reliable source is a reference that directly supports the contents of the article. In the case of Javier Carpio there are only external links. External links do NOT directly supports the contents of the article. If you feel that in this case an external link is supporting the contents please label it correctly, for example with a ===Reference=== section, otherwise add a reference that supports the contents of the article. Questions of a storyline are not have no meaning as all BLPs require a reliable source, with or without a storyline. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 11:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Kind of odd?

Not at all, other discussions are ignored (mine included!) and most of yours are actually answered. It could just be a case that people don't see your topic, or don't know how to answer etc. Don't worry, and you can always ask me directly if you want! GiantSnowman 22:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Alexander

Hello. No, I've never been contacted by him. As you can see from his talk page history, I've PROD'd quite a few of his creations because they didn't meet notability criteria, but he has never complained or attempted to prove that they are notable by taking them to AfD. I thought he might be put off interacting with others because of the language barrier, however, ignoring you is more puzzling. I'd continue to monitor his creations to make sure they meet the standard required. Keep up the good work fighting the good fight. Argyle 4 Life^talk 23:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Gokhan Inler

Hey Vasco, I'm writing on Gokhan Inler's page now because he had nothing before about his Udinese career and all the stats were wrong for him. I am not done but I just want to make sure I am not overwriting and I am focusing on him. Also I wrote that Udinese finished 7th in Serie A in the 2007-08 campaign, meaning they just missed out on Europe. But they played in the UEFA Cup the next season and I cannot find out why. So I would appreciate any help you could give me as to why this is. Thanks! Rupert1904 (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

List of Portuguese football transfers summer 2011

Vasco Amaral why are you removing players from the List of Portuguese football transfers summer 2011 page when it is correct and referenced.

Jimhellie09 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimhellie09 (talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

John Aloisi

I thought it was inappropriate to have a forward stroke in a title, so changed it. After I changed it, I realised I had inadvertently changed the meaning that the title should convey, so I modified it again. I then changed some of the text of the article. On both occasions, I used the word 'rubbish' and met (and probably exceeded) the low standard which you have set for use of the word, as illustrated perfectly by the link you sent me in the second paragraph, where – contrary to your claim – you changed one piece of data and made no alterations to the formatting. If you're really so terribly upset by this, I suggest you think before using those words yourself.  Omg †  osh  15:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Borja Criado

Hi Vasco, having a quick look through the histiry, I don't think I've ever tagged that article as unreferenced, as it clearly is! However, it is an orphan, as it doesn't actually link to any other mainspace pages...regards, GiantSnowman 14:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Those are pages that the 'Borja Criado' article links to - we need pages that link to Borja Criado - so mentions of him on club articles, player articles, competition articles etc. etc. GiantSnowman 11:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

de la Peña y Luis Enrique

Hi Vasco, I am not too active at the moment on WP so I often just forget answering talkpage messages. Luis Enrique is a popular coach since the very first minute he joins one of the most popular Italian clubs, as AS Roma is. And his coaching career must be kept separate from his playing biography, they are two completely different things! Same applies for Iván de la Peña: true that he retired only a month ago, but, as mentioned in the source I attached to the article, he is now assistant coach of Luis Enrique himself at AS Roma, so he has now basically started a coaching career too: same applies here, this kind of information should not be confused with his details as a player. I mentioned Guardiola in the summary for a reason: despite having had a successful career as both a player and a coach, he has been into managerial duties since a very short time (he took his first coaching job only four years ago). I might have mentioned other coaches as Vincenzo Montella, Leonardo Araújo, Marco Giampaolo, etc... all having a "playing" and a "coaching" section. For assistants, same applies: say for instance Giuseppe Baresi, who has never been head coach anywhere but has his own coaching section as well. Greets, --Angelo (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Not really. You need to specify he is a "head coach". That's how it works, indeed you have different kinds of coach: not just assistant coach, but also goalkeeping coach, fitness coach, youth coach, etc. It is fundamental to distinguish between these roles, needless to say that. --Angelo (talk) 15:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Ibrahim Hassan and Hossan Hassan

Pardon my asking, but how was it overcategorization? I didn't add a category; I replaced one. Just trying to clean up the parent category somewhat. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:16, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I only added the country category because it helps to cut down on overpopulation in the parent; there are enough categories in Category:Twin people by nationality that I think another is viable.

Sorry for stepping on your toes, and thanks for the kind words. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:04, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Sisman Yanko

Indeed - I've issued him a final warning so if he does something else report him to an admin. Reichsfürst (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Do not accuse someone if you do not know anything about him! Can' t you see my official sources? One of them is Club Official Website! And the other is Istanbul Stock Exchange Official website! Galatasaray has to inform Istanbul Stock Exchange before the transfers completed! Galatasaray President Ünal Aysal also confirmed the transfer which is here http://www.ligtv.com.tr/VideoHaber/?r=1&hid=94033 .

So, one more time! Do not accuse someone if you don't know anything about him!Sisman Yanko (talk) 00:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Pablo Gabriel García

Hello my friend. I am aware of this rule. The stats i posted were referring to league games and came from the official website of the greek football league (http://www.superleaguegreece.net/team/58/11/426) and was also confirmed also from my personal archives. The website you are referring to has not taken in mind that the greek league the last years has added classification games witch are not mentioned in the stats they provide. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EXORKISTIS (talk • contribs) 18:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Quique Estebaranz

Hi, his bdfutbol stats show him relegated in 85/6 with Atletico B and I presume they don't carry stats below the 2nd level, hence he does not appear for two seasons. The NFT source shows zero apps for these two seasons which I assume just means they don't have stats. Is there any online source with 3rd level stats for that period? Eldumpo (talk) 18:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Hope bdfutbol add those stats in time then. I've removed the Atletico stats from infobox as we don't have the info. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 19:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Capucho

It wasn't clear to me whether you thought Capucho should redirect to Capucho (footballer) or not. I chose not to, but if you think it should feel free to add the redirect.--SPhilbrickT 18:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Helmuth Duckadam

I'm sorry, I didn't realise the stats box was for League only. Please tell me where in Wikipedia it says that this is so. And if that is so, it should state it at the top. In footballing publications, it is common to include goals in all significant competitions, a convention that should be adopted. It is strange and arbitrary to include only domestic league goals. For example, many managers prioritise European Cup matches over domestic league matches these days, so to exclude goals scored by players in those competitions gives a distorted view of success. Also, you need to be more polite when alerting someone to something like this. I may not be an expert on wikipedia, (just someone trying to do my bit) but show some courtesy. 86.26.67.210 (talk) 15:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)John Lewis, what's from England

(talk page stalker) The infobox says "* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only." The Rambling Man (talk) 15:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. Can we not find the cup statistics? And thank you for your honesty, Amaral. 86.26.67.210 (talk) 16:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)John Lewis again

(talk page stalker) You can find them and add them to the article but not in the infobox. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Rafik Halliche

Hey, I saw your revert for my last edit in the Rafik Halliche article. I understand your logic and understand that you're not supposed to use full club names in the infobox. However, take it from me (and my work on Algerian football in Wikipedia), you simply can't refer to an Algerian club as Hussein Dey, it makes absolutely no sense. You have to refer to it as NA Hussein Dey. Look at any article that relates to Algerian football and you will understand. I know it might seem weird to a non-Algerian but Algerian clubs are referred to like that. For example, NA Hussein Dey is also referred to as NAHD for short, and both names are used interchangeably when referring to the club. However, the club is never referred to as Hussein Dey in the Algerian press.TonyStarks (talk) 19:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

señor vasco, yo pocas veces entro a wikipedia, yo soy de Cúcuta (frontera con venezuela), y la persona que ud indicó que supuestamente yo era es una ip de telmex Bogotá. Además no tengo el servicio de esa empresa ni tengo conexiones o familia en esa ciudad. si le ofendió lo de tratar de ayudar en wiki, mis disculpas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.97.148.235 (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Quique Sánchez Flores

Hi Vasco, I've replied at WT:FOOTY, all I said was to report the IP at WP:AIV for breaking 3RR, something I have given him a final non-admin warning about. Regards, GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I have added the page to my watchlist so will keep an eye on it. Hopefully it will sort itself out. Warburton1368 (talk) 21:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to UD Las Palmas: you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 22:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hugo Rodallega

Hi Vasco,

Yes it's a bit of a pain that he's seemingly ignoring the reasons we are reverting his edits. I considered requesting page protection, but he doesn't do it often enough to warrant it really. Hopefully if enough people put it on their watchlist then it can at least be undone quickly. J Mo 101 (talk) 23:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: happy editing

Yes, I saw your apology, it's always the bigger man who apologises first, good stuff. However, don't always assume that "vandals" or "trolls" are that - please remember to assume good faith, and try and guide, rather than chastise, new editors. Yes, some will be nothing but vandals, but you and I - and indeed 99.99% of good editors still active today - started by making the very same mistakes. Regards, GiantSnowman 23:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

User page vandalism

You've done the right thing in not rising to the vandal - if they strike again, let me know. If & when they do, report them as soon as possible at WP:AIV - in the meantime you can request permanent page protection for your user page at WP:RPP, should you wish. Hope this helps! Thanks, GiantSnowman 18:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Dill (footballer)

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Sporting CP squad / Ajuda

Caro amigo, tens toda a razão! Vi agora que já não falamos há quase um ano, e portanto tenho que te pedir desculpa por não te ter identificado.. É que eu também contribuo no site zerozero.pt, e também ando lá a travar uma batalha parecida: há um utilizador (espero que não sejas tu lol) que volta não volta mete o Alberto Rodríguez como Rodríguez apenas, o Anderson Polga como Polga apenas, mas depois deixa o Daniel Carriço na mesma, por exemplo; ou seja, sem critério algum - e então lá tenho eu que ir de vez em quando meter os 1os nomes dos jogadores la no site..!

Quanto à segunda questão, estás certo, é isso mesmo (até podes conferir no zerozero.pt, em caso de dúvida). Era como termos Nuno Maniche para o Maniche..

Abraço, e mais uma vez desculpa..User:RRR22User talk:RRR22 23:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Caro amigo, ontem nao tive tempo para responder! É verdade.. Sabes que eu sou sportinguista, e tenho pena de ver o meu clube que, tal como o nome indica, sempre primou por ser português, inverter essa mesma situação. Enfim, é o futebol moderno podemos dizer, mas nós por cá também temos culpa: os putos chegam a juniores e já são estrelas, a "fama" começa a subir-lhes à cabeça, metem-se empresários à mistura, pedem demasiado e.. opção estrangeira sai mais barata! Infelizmente é este o cenário habitual, e até o Sporting Clube de PORTUGAL tem que recorrer a outros mercados mais.. baratos por ventura!

Relativamente a outro assunto (Template:Sporting Clube de Portugal squad), fui eu que meti o Atila Turan como A. Turan, pela mesma razão que temos o André Santos como A. Santos, o André Martins como A. Martins e o João Pereira como J. Pereira: há muitos Turan's na Turquia (como o Arda Turan).

User:RRR22User talk:RRR22 16:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Protection

I've just semi-protected your userpage per your request. If you ever want the protection to be removed or modified you can ask at WP:RFPP. Hut 8.5 11:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Martín Demichelis

Hi Vasco, thanks for your support. Regarding Demichelis transfer to Malaga, this reference (which was already included in the article) http://fantipp.fcbayern.de/de/aktuell/news/2010/27364.php?fcb_sid=6ec5256e5d53fcbbe27e8a59bee87acaHe from FC Bayern Munich says in in one place: Entgegen anders lautenden Medienberichten aus Spanien handelt es sich bei dem Wechsel des argentinischen Nationalspielers nach Andalusien aber nicht um ein Leihgeschäft, sondern um einen endgültigen Transfer. Which means roughly translated: Contrary to reports in Spanish media, the transfer to to Andalusia is not a loan, but a final transfer. --Jaellee (talk) 06:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Futbolme

^^ For what it's worth, it had just occurred to me that Links sections could very well be homogenized by trimming them to this self-sufficient cluster of powerful databases (hence the addition of Transfermarkt). I did not delete (superseded) Futbolme ref just for the joy of it (?) but for clarity purposes. Anyway, it's ok with me: it's not that they bother me that badly :P Feliz verano, Vasco. --DataSport (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

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Sergio Canales

Hi there. Regarding your comments: 1. Sergio Canales's official profile on Real Madrid.com was not removed, just moved from external links to references (since I used it as an reference) 2. I didn't know that; tought that the accessdate was changed everytime it was accessed.

And why did you revert the whole of my edit, and not just the part with the accessdates? Like you said: "respect other people's work". You should undo your revert and then fix the accessdates, and if you feel necessary, Canales offial profile on external links.

When it comes to honours and 2010-2011 vs 2011, 2011 would be correct becuase the trophy was won that year. Yes, the seaon is 2010-2011, but trophies are won either in the first part of the seaon (super cup, club worl cup etc.) or the second part (league, CL, cup etc.). 62.50.175.31 (talk) 21:08, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree that all the rounds are important, but since the 'whole cup season' is linked, it is unnecessary to write 2010-2011. 2011 is enough.

And regarding the profile; on the profile the statistics are much more detailed than any place else 62.50.175.31 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Polish "user"

Hello Vasco,

I haven't seen the Polish "user" for some days. I had already hoped he moved to activities outside Wikipedia. Maybe your message helps, but I don't have high hopes. --Jaellee (talk) 21:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Juanma

Hi Vasco, I have added a ref for the nickname of "Juanma" (to prevent further evidence of vandalism should it be removed), and tidied up the article according to MOS, as well as some minor wording changes. Also, I think "Juan Manuel" is more suitable in the infobox. Regards, GiantSnowman 00:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Pere Gratacós

Hi Vasco, any chance you can find some sources for this article please? My knowledge of the Sapnish language is nada. Cheers, GiantSnowman 19:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Gracias amigo! GiantSnowman 20:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

BEN917

Hi there!

The stuff I added to some articles are from Greek newspapers and Greek sport sites and I DIDN'T MADE THEM OUT OF MY MIND!!!:@ I know AEK Athens' players from inside out so let me do my job and look yours....! Excuse me but that's the way it is.:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BEN917 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

OK dude!:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BEN917 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Hilário Leal

Hey dude, quando puderes podes melhorar este article?? Hilário Leal. Well, criei a página porque sim, vejo tantos jogadores de merd* com uma page, esse que jogou na Serie A italiana não tinha uma page?!? Geez!?! :)

Abraço. --Hydao (talk) 06:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Reparei agora que existe a página em italiano: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hil%C3%A1rio_Paulino_Neves_Freitas_Leal

... e chego à conclusão que a info do jogador no site zerozerofootball.com & foradejogo.net deixam algo a desejar. :) --Hydao (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Ajudaste sim, mas por outro lado também já fodest* uma beca a página lol. A informação nos sites tugas está errada, o sócio nasceu em França. Se lesses a wikipedia italiana e o site italiano com a entrevista verias logo... enfim. :) --Hydao (talk) 04:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Já mudei a cena do place of birth. Em relação aos colegas, julgo não ser inútil de todo essa informação. Thanks dude!

--Hydao (talk) 05:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Meti aquele link só por causa disto:

" RIGHT BACK Hilario (Perugia)

Perugia's lack of reliable and consistent defenders has not prevented Hilario from taking the honour of claiming a place in our selection. The Portuguese defender is the only backline player who has performed admirably and consistently to guide Perugia to a respected mid-table placing without always having to look back over his shoulder for the relegation zone. "

Sim, o artigo já está bom, mas se quiseres podias enfiar isto +-:

"The Portuguese defender is the only backline player who has performed admirably and consistently to guide Perugia to a respected mid-table placing without always having to look back over his shoulder for the relegation zone." (lembro-me que na primeira época o gajo foi mesmo "fulcral", depois é que desapareceu do mapa.)

Thanks e igualmente! --Hydao (talk) 17:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: Club names in box?

Greetings,

I don't think that's the right approach for clubs' names in infoboxes. "Real Valladolid" is only 15 characters (plus spaces) long. Reducing it to ten is not going to improve the appearance of the infobox... especially when "Newell's Old Boys" is 17 characters long (with spaces) and the width of the infobox will be determined by that entry. If Villar played for Montevideo Wanderers or Manchester United (long club name picked out to prove a point), I wouldn't expect a fellow editor to reduce the appearance of the club's name for the width of the infobox. Those are the names of the clubs and should be displayed properly. Thanks. Digirami (talk) 08:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Certainly not you or me because we know our football clubs... But there are other who don't; others unfamiliar with the sport. I just think that if the common-name of the club ("Real Valladolid"... evident by the article title and usage in tables), we should use it in infoboxes as well. Digirami (talk) 08:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Edvaldo Hermoza

Someone moved the page, would you like to comment my requested move? Matthew_hk tc 22:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

CD Atletico Baleares

Hi Vasco,

I understand your reasons for the CD Atletico Baleares flags, sorry. I unknowledged the manual of style on english wikipedia, and the word "separatism" seemed the basic reason for undid my editing. I wanted to make a detailed document, that's all, not political or ideologic reasons.

Sincerely, --Garciman73 (talk) 20:19, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Fábio Coentrão

He was renewed his contract to 2015 and then again in 2010 to 2016, would you like to add back the 2015 section? Matthew_hk tc 16:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Celtic F.C kit

Hi Vasco the Celtic F.C kits for this season are on the Portugese wikipedia here [[1]]. Is there a way I can get the templates on to this wikipedia? Thanks. Adam4267 (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I managed to get it from the french wikipedia, they had the strips all perfectly done and it was written in english it was very easy to just copy. Thanks for the offer I thought I might have needed your help but someone in France did all the work for me :).Adam4267 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Capdevila

http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=275774

I think you should read mate! Or better, amigo. (portuguese too) OK about the flags, no problem. Gold Bernard (talk) 18:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Quique Sánchez Flores

Thanks for the heads up Vasco, good work. One slight word of advice - whenever you 'undo' a revision, it is always useful to put a reason why i.e. rather than "Undid revision 99999999 by 111.11.111.111 (talk)", put something like "Undid revision 99999999 by 111.11.111.111 (talk) - correct name, see talk page" or ""Undid revision 99999999 by 111.11.111.111 (talk) - unreferenced addition" etc. Hope this helps! GiantSnowman 01:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

hey, why not talk to any administrator for ensure the page and so we avoid problems with the anonymous editor?......Good Job and Have a Nice Day!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scoelho86 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Por qué no hablas con un administrador para que aseguren la página y evitar problemas con el edito anónimo, ya que esto se está volviendo tedioso. Mi mensaje es porque como yo tengo esa página en mi "watchlist" y me he dado cuenta de los inconvenientes que has tenido para dejarla "quieta"....Sigue haciendo tu trabajo scoelho86scoelho86 —Preceding undated comment added 17:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC).

Re:Help

I would recommend that you do what Chris advises. Leaving a message on the talk page shows you're willing to co-operate by extending an olive branch. The revisions you made are correct and you should make that clear on the page. If they choose to ignore it then you could request page protection and if necessary take it to WP:SPI. Argyle 4 Life^talk 15:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Argyle; and if the user continues to be a pain for you, have a look at something like WP:Dispute resolution. GiantSnowman 15:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Try getting into the habit of adding sources for what you add to articles (external links aren't the same as sources). It doesn't stop people vandalising, but it does show that your additions are verifiably correct, which will help in content disputes. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Oriol Romeu

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/20110721/oriol-romeu-chelsea/1088356.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geronimo355 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Florent Sinama Pongolle

At the time of my edit, there was nothing in the prose to suggest he was loaned from Liverpool to Le Havre; in fact, the infobox suggested he was loaned from his youth club (St Pierroise) to Le Havre! Good work on your expansion though, much appreciated, as ever. Cheers, and enjoy the weekend! GiantSnowman 23:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Voila, Le Tallec's Soccerbase link added. Cheers, GiantSnowman 23:28, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Infoboxes

You're not missing anything, Vasco. I just find the infoboxes make more sense to me if the related club parameters are on the same line. I think it looks far neater in the edit box too. When the information is spread out over many lines, it is possible for editors to get confused when updating stats, so I think the way I have it helps with that too. So it's not a major thing, just something I prefer. Most people seem to agree with me, or at least they haven't reverted me! – PeeJay 00:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: Saúl Ñíguez

Thanks mate, I looked through all the match reports from Atlético B games last season and Saúl definitely made 22 appearances overall :) And I agree, I did not make the page but it may not be necessary for him to have one yet as he's so young and only played Segunda B. He has played for the first team in two friendlies but I know they don't count, so I'll trust you to make the right decision with the page. Keep up your good work! --82.32.209.70 (talk) 11:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: Francisco Gallardo

Hello! I'm sorry! Thank you for the information! additional good editing!Canysp (talk) 13:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: Diogo Valente

Hi there! My mistake, it was the right player position. Regarding the league, he plays in the Portuguese Primeira Liga. There are some other players who also play there and I've seen "Liga ZON Sagres", therefore I thought it was supposed to specify the sponsor.

Thanks for your advice! Scofield_20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scofield 20 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Ruud van Nistelrooy

Sounds fair enough to me. All I ask for in any situation is an explanation. If people just come along and change something without an explanation, it's like they're saying they know best and no one should argue with them, so I'm glad you gave me an explanation for Van Nistelrooy's position. – PeeJay 17:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. – PeeJay 17:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

User:Raulseixas

Hello Vasco. I notice that Raulseixas has once again been changing 'Real Zaragoza' to 'Zaragoza' in articles on football players. He has been frequently warned about changing club names, and the past notices are still visible on his talk page. He has been blocked as long as one month for this reason. Since he refuses to stop, it may be time for an indefinite block. If you agree, considering proposing it at WP:ANI. Since I am the admin who issued both of his past blocks, it probably needs a discussion before blocking. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Diego Capel 2

Estamos entendidos. Isso do Sporting Clube de Portugal é mania minha, para ver se deixam de chamar Sporting Lisbon, mas compreendo. ;) Skrewum8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrewum8 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Tiago Targino

You answered your own question in your response. Later. — JS^{Rant Away} 02:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Request for help

Hi Vasco,

this user has been getting on my nerves, too. He is deleting stuff from infoboxes (mostly about lower class teams) without any explanation but he is not an outright vandal. I tried to put warnings on his talk page, but with no success (he is using so many IP's that it is difficult to track him). I was considering asking you to talk in Portuguese to him as he is from Brazil and I knew that it is your native language, but obviously you had no sucess. Maybe we should ask at WT:FOOTY for help or we could maybe ask at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. --Jaellee (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hola Vasco, Aquí Coelho, quería pedirle un favor: lo que sucede es que yo acomodé tanto en la página del Madrid como la de la liga el patrocinio de Bwin, ya que Emirates según fuentes oficiales no incluye el logo de la camiseta, además le puse el patrocinio a Osasuna de NGS, tal y como Qampunen hizo con el Atlético Madrid (y Kyocera) en la misma página. Le agradezco no tomar dicha corrección como errónea, y además ya que ud tiene "linea directa" con Qampunen si puede aclararle lo mismo. Un saludo desde la distancia. Scoelho86 (talk) 05:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Vasco, your edit summaries are getting out of hand again. Please try to be less abusive and tone down the swearing and insults. This applies to both this account and your IP. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Almedia

Hi Vasco, there was a stray "→" in the formatting for some reason, see this. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:19, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hey soccer fan

Vasco, how are you? Long time no see. Listen, I have a question for you. I was just looking at Jorge Nuno Pinto da Costa, which is in a terrible state (well, it was worse before). The entire biography is about one thing, a corruption scandal. Can you add a decent and properly sourced biographical section about the man and his life/career? I've looked for decent articles in the same category and finally moved over nextdoor, to Spain, where I found that Florentino Pérez is decent (though I'm not sure about the need for a list of signings). Josep Lluís Núñez is not badly written, though completely unsourced. I don't know if you're a Porto fan or not, and of course that shouldn't matter. ;) Anyway, I thought you might enjoy an exercise in writing the biography of a non-football player. Thanks, and take care-- Drmies (talk) 17:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Rayo

There is no need to insult anyone, in all of this, you have made numerous gramatical errors in some of your revisions yet I have left them alone to avoid any conflict. It is not neccessary to act as one with little or no class by insulting someone who has never done anything to you. I dont appreciate it and wanted to let you realize the type of classless behavior you display when you write insulting comments like that.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elop76 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Alexanderalgrim

Given the dicussion here, I'm not really sure what else can be done. His autopatrolled rights have been removed so anything he creates will get reviewed. His recent creations that I brought up do technically meet WP:NFOOTBALL because its a fully professional competition, I just wish he would at least acknowledge what I said or be co-operative with you. He is editing in good faith and isn't a vandal so it would be best to just keep an eye on what he creates, maybe try talking to him again. Argyle 4 Life^talk 22:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello Vasco Amaral

Referring to earlier comments

I write as I told you in reference to updating the biography of my brother Jacobo Sanz Ovejero After much work (as you well know) is finally finished. The issue of height as you would have left had it, but you can check the external link that takes you to a current team whose height is 1.96. But ok, is not important. I pray that you have any questions or concerns, do me without any problem. We're here to help. I would also like if I could help in the choice of two or three pictures, or if you prefer to upload your otherwise. Greetings, keep in touch! Thank you very much

Portero asteras (talk) 22:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hola Vasco

Bueno por un lado quería darte las gracias por tu colaboración y por otro presentarte mi decepción. entiendo que lleves trabajando 5 años y no dudo que hagas bien tu trabajo, pero lo que creo que es excesivo y retirar todo de golpe y dejarlo como tu lo tenías. No digo que lo tuyo este mal, por supuesto es parte de su biografía, pero de ahí a retirarlo todo de golpe, como comprenderás no lo entiendo. Te pediría un poco de comprensión porfavor y que volvieras a poner en el artículo muchas más cosas de las que tienes que son mínimas. Siento lo de los guantes no lo sabía, una cosa más que sé. Pero has quitado, su trayectoria desde pequeño, has quitado su trayectoria desde que debutó, ya quitaste lo de la altura también en su día. En fin, cuando puedas solo te pido que ayudes a complementar la Biografía con los datos que te dí. Alomejor no se como funcionan las cosas, por supuesto no lo se todo, pero bien te pedí un mail para antes de realizar cambios que pudieras verlo tu primero y después de una semana no recibí nada. Al menos espero que completes la biografía, cambies o no lo de la altura eso me da igual ;-) y subas por favor una foto actual y otra de archivo si quieres. Con eso solo tendría palabras de agredecimiento para tí. Un abrazo y gracias por tu colaboración.

Portero asteras (talk) 16:22, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Well done, Vasco--your work on Jorge Nuno Pinto da Costa is much appreciated. Drmies (talk) 16:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I am trying to add the picture for Roberto Trashorras who played for Celta de Vigo, he has a photo in Gallego wikipedia, and I am trying to put it in his spanish and english pages. Can you inform me on how to do it that.. elop76 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elop76 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

WWW.FUTBOLME.COM

Ya están "civilizados" los enlaces de Primera, Segunda y Segunda B. Ahoro a por los de Tercera.

Saludos.Mega60 (talk) 12:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Terminada ya la Tercera. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 13:07, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

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Xisco - What?

Okay, i do not know what you are talking about, vandalism? hardly, some guy probably got a bad source because i noticed sky sports stated that Xisco moved to Deportivo on permanent the day before. So i did a MINOR edit on that today to correct it.

Get your facts right before accusing people of vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swanbiff (talk • contribs) 18:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Honours and "Real"

Hi.

Regarding runners-up in honurs; no problem.

Regarding the "Real"; the "Real" in 'Real Betis', 'Real Zaragoza', 'Real Madrid', 'Real Sociedad' etc. should be kept since this is the common name in English for these clubs. And regarding "REAL RACING CLUB DE SANTANDER" the correct name to use would be 'Racing Santander' since this is the common name in English.

Also 'expect' and 'except' are two different words (no offence). 62.50.175.31 (talk) 19:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Nothing really, it was just that you wrote "expect" in one of your messages, but I think you meant "except" 62.50.175.31 (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins

I take it you referring to this edit? In fairness, that was 2 days before I advised him of his errors - however, should you find a more recent example, then please let me know. Regards, GiantSnowman 00:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hi Vasco, a few things. One, don't forget that WP:AIV and WP:RPP are usually pretty efficient at dealing with the kind of low-level vandalism that you've mentioned. Secondly, and I know it's hard, but please keep your edit summaries as civil as possible - no CAPS, no ecllamation marks!!!!, and certainly no calling people "idiots" or "morons" etc. - even if they are ;) Thirdly, if you find yourself getting angry or upset, then simply take a break for a day or two, let yourself calm down, and re-approach the subject with a clear head. Hope this helps, as ever you know where I am! Cheers, GiantSnowman 23:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

No way of locating a user (IP is fine) without going through a checkuser. GiantSnowman 01:11, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

No, revert the page move - there was a discussion about what the proper name should be. If he disagrees, ask him to start a new RM. GiantSnowman 01:23, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

On further checking, there was only a disucussion between me, you and the IP! He has reverted your move, so per WP:BRD, now is the time to start a new disucssion. I'd advise you formally list it at WP:RM. GiantSnowman 01:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Contested move

Vasco, the Quique Sánchez Flores article has now been moved once in each direction. You moved it in late June, then User:Xxxx693 moved it back in August. You filed this under 'Uncontested moves' at WP:RM which is not the right section, since obviously someone disagrees. Please edit the WP:RM page to place the request in the normal move section (called 'Current discussions' ) and open a move discussion on the article talk page. There are templates for doing this. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:11, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

re: Seven (film)

The edit I made is appropriate for the WP:PLOT guideline. If you want to make an edit of your own to mine you're more than welcome to, but the victim's physical death by shock, malnutrition, etc. is not what's essential to attaching his situation to Sloth (deadly sin). The important point is that the victim is left "physically and emotionally inactive." Sottolacqua (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Gerard Bordas

While not exacxtly polite, them removing your post on their talk page at least means they have seen it, and if they choose not to join in discussions, then they can't complain if and when the consensus goes against them! GiantSnowman 22:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

User:MYS77

Thank you for monitoring this situation. Have a good weekend too! Vanadus (talk | contribs) 23:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

"Varios" Burgos

Esta página: http://arefepedia.wetpaint.com/page/Burgos+%28Municipio%29 te puede venir muy bien. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 18:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Userpage vandalism

I reverted edits he made to the page earlier i.e changing the names again. In terms of page protection you probably need to request that again as this seems likely to continue. In terms of vandalism to your user page if you feel your being targated because of your edits then you should report it to an admin. There is a list of pages you can report to at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.Warburton1368 (talk) 16:24, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI

I was just heading over there, looks like Tnxman307 (talk · contribs) has beaten me to it and fixed it for you! Cheers, GiantSnowman 17:28, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Amigo Vasco, Enterado, avisado y en contacto, un abrazo.Scoelho86 (talk) 18:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, very strange indeed - but it was only one edit, and the clerks over at SPI are re-checking, so maybe it could be a technical fault? And if not, maybe it could be a genuine case of WP:LITTLEBROTHER. But please don't lose heart, your work here is far too valuable. Regards, GiantSnowman 00:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, please don't give up. I wish you felt able to take it all a bit less seriously. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Juan Torres Ruiz

This is the link from AEK's official site for Cala. His height is 1,85. http://www.aekfc.gr/index.asp?a_id=1586&pl=182 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panagiwtis (talk • contribs) 01:40, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Mexer

Per the policy, reverting someone edit usually need a reason, my bad grammar did not means the content is useless, just correct it. but just likes you did it in Óscar Pérez Bovela and somewhere i yet to find, you give no reason in edit summary. Only RRV did not need reason in edit summary but seems my edit isn't, so you need to give some reason such as the content is unarguably unless or some valid reason to remove it totally. If this still happen again (remove content other than RRV without any reason in edit summary), i will report to admin notice board. Matthew_hk tc 02:54, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi there MATTHEW, VASCO here,

please stop threatening me with blocks, everytime i have made a mistake, i have apologized and corrected my errors. What is wrong with you? Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

NO war. Just don't use roll back/revert on content other than RRV without provide a edit summary. For Mexer, Sporting had wrote something on the half-yearly report 2010-11, not like in the prospect of the Sporting bond, just mentioned in the table. Matthew_hk tc 17:19, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Userpage protection

The protection is indefinite (I didn't set an expiry on it) and it is still in place. Your userpage is semiprotected, which means anyone who has the autoconfirmed user right can edit it, and to become autoconfirmed you need ten edits and your account needs to be four days old. These vandals meet these requirements, so they can edit your userpage. I could full-protect your userpage, but that would prevent anyone who is not an administrator (including you) from editing it.

I would block the vandals for you but it seems they're about to be blocked for sockpuppetry anyway. You did the right thing by filing a sockpuppet investigation request, if the harassment continues WP:ANI might be able to help. --Hut 8.5 21:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've full-protected your userpage for a month. If you ask me this is a bit overkill in response to this level of vandalism but I don't mind doing it. If you do want to make an occasional edit to it then I don't mind doing that. --Hut 8.5 09:43, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, the protection policy doesn't allow user talk pages to be protected other than for very short periods to combat very severe bursts of vandalism (see Wikipedia:Protection policy#User pages) because unregistered users need to have a way of contacting you. I suggest you follow the advice below: if someone leaves you one of these messages then remove it and report the user to WP:AIV for blocking. Hut 8.5 11:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Consulta

Hola Vasco,

Aquí Coelho, Quiero saber que debo hacer o a quien debo dirigirme para poder vincularme a un proyecto de fútbol (edición y mejora de documentos aqui en wiki), parecido a lo que ud y Qampunen vienen haciendo tan bien. Nuevamente agradecido. Saludos Scoelho86 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Vasco, I already put my username on the list. Seguimos en contacto, Bonne Semaine. Scoelho86 (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Hola Vasco, Aquí Coelho.

Con suma extrañera, sorpresa me encontré aquí [2], que varios administradores han levantado una investigación contra mi por unas supuestas ediciones vandálicas, y comportamientos contra la moral y el buen nombre. Cómo en mi familia tenemos por adagio que "el que calla, otorga", quiero dejarte muy en claro los siguiente, porque tu como forista y editor con antiguedad, y con el que he coincidido en muchos temas y en especial el de fútbol internacional. Como vi que esto ya paso de castaño a oscuro, además de las recientes intervenciones de este "tipo" enfermo, con ofensas e insultos de grueso calibre contra ud y contra mí decidí hacer mi propia investigación rápida, basandome en lo que puede estar a mi mano.

1. Quiero dejarle muy en claro, que yo como persona de 25 años, madura y profesional te digo que NO SOY EN DE LOS INSULTOS, NI OFENSAS NI VANDALISMOS.

2. Las ofensas racistas que este tipo infringio contra ud y contra mi (como - you suc.ks jijijjij [3], you're so id.i.ot [4], + you're so idi.o.t, so st.u.p.id guy, fu.c.k.i.n.g portuguese, i ha.te the portugueses [5], entre otros ), me hicieron tomar la cosa ya más personal, porque aunque nací en colombia, no me considero colombiano, sino canadiense (por adopción) - portugués (por herencia, porque mi abuelo es portugués y con orgullo exhibo y poseo dicha nacionalidad).

3. Acá comparto red y señal de internet con mi vecino del piso superior. Después de enterarme del proceso que me siguen, investigué que computadores compartían dicha señal y de donde pudo haber salido dicha información ignominiosa. Son 4 computadores, los que comparten la dirección ip, y uno de esos lo maneja un volantoncito (joven de unos 14-16 años), patán grosero, y medio-gañan; y creo que ese es el personaje que está vandalizando WP, a ud y a mi. Llegué a esta conclusión porque hace varios días atrás el muy chismoso llegó cuando te estaba mandando un mensaje a tu talkpage, y estoy casi seguro que desde ahí la emprendió contra todos. Ademá que él sabe que yo soy asiduo de WP, y trato de colaborar en lo que pueda.

4. Ya hablé con los papás del sarnosito, y aunque lo reprendieron, me dí cuenta que ya la cazó contra ti, y contra mí por defenderme.

5. De ser necesario, y dado que tu eres más cercano a ciertos colaboradores te voy a pedir el favor de si es necesario bloquear las ips anónimas por lo menos un mes hasta que este tipo se calme, no interesa que yo no pueda editar desde mi propio pc los articulos, con tal que no haga más daño me reservaré de ello (lo haré desde afuera en un cibercafe u otro).

6. Cuenta conmigo si no es como amigo, como un buen compañero y estaré contigo en toda para poder resolver este bochornoso hecho, y también quiero con esto dejar mi nombre en limpio, ya que en estos 4 (casi 5 en la WP española), jamás había tenido problemas de este tipo ni calibre.

7. Quiero reiterar mi confianza y respeto en ti, y agradecerte porque cuando he tenido dudas en a, b o c tema, con gentileza y aprecio me has respondido, siempre respetuosamente.

Espero volvamos a tomar el hilo, y ya sabes, si la cosa sigue igual (para mal), avisame de una que ya tomaré cartas en el asunto múy seriamente para parar este sabotaje y patanería.

Un abrazo, y buena semana. Scoelho86 (talk) 03:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Quique Flores

OK, the main thing to do is to ignore - don't respond, don't retaliate. Then report him to WP:AIV, and get your talk page protected at WP:RPP. Hope this helps! GiantSnowman 23:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

la verdad no se, este tontazo, por no decir que pelmaso, le dio envidia (quisiera pensar eso), porque yo me volvi asiduo de WP, ademas, creo que realmente comenzo a molestar (joder), a partir que me puse de tu lado en Quique Flores, y quiso comenzar a acabar con ambos. Ya lo adverti personalmente, y a los papas de este tambien, sobre tomas acciones civiles y penales, por los insultos contra mi. Gracias por la confianza nuevamente, Buen Dia Scoelho86 (talk) 18:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Malentendido

Hola! Yo no tengo nada en contra de ti. En absoluto! Es más, te respeto bastante porque eres un gran contribuyente en la Wikipedia. Hace ya año y medio cambiaron el nombre de Quique Sánchez Flores a Quique Flores, o al revés (ya no me acuerdo) y lo quité diciendo que el cambio era de buena fe, no era nada serio. Pero no tenía ni idea de que había estado cambiándolo constantemente en los últimos tiempos. Eso no me parece bien. Pero si yo he hecho algo que parezca que estoy enfadado o lo que sea, pido mil disculpas. Lo dicho, es muchísimo más fácil y agradable contribuir a la Wikipedia si todos nos llevamos bien :) Qampunen (talk) 16:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

• No te preocupes. Es culpa mía. Ayer me pillaste actualizando la Segunda B y era muy tarde. Debí contestarte (se me pasó). Un saludo! Qampunen (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins

Which players? GiantSnowman 10:06, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

If they have Spanish nationality (i.e. born & raised in Spain) then they are a Spanish footballer - even if they represented EG at international level. GiantSnowman 15:16, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Enlaces

Perdona, trataré de cumplir, saludos Mega60 (talk) 17:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

ok VASCO, sin inconvenientes, eso fue un lapsus mio al colocar el equipo de Miguel Lopes, es cierto que si sale es para el Zaragoza no al Betis de Sevilla. Saludos Scoelho86 (talk) 21:52, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Ole si andaba por aca y ya te aclare, Sigue con tu buen trabajo editando, ando en las mismas :DScoelho86 (talk) 21:52, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

voy a comer una merienda :D

Hélder Postiga

It basically means that it uses two different types of references - i.e. one section is supported by the external links (his club details etc.), while his shorter international section is supported by in-line references. Ideally, we should try to use inline references all the time. Cheers, GiantSnowman 09:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Antony1821

Yeah, I remember warning him for messing around with the playing positions of Petar Grbić. He said he wouldn't do it again and I notice that he did a few days after I sent him a message. User:Ponyo gave him a final warning a few days ago, so if this continues then let him know and Antony1821 will probably be blocked for disruptive editing. Argyle 4 Life^talk 16:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Joel

No problem man, although I'm not sure who Atletico's full time number one is, at the moment it's probably not decided. Maybe there is a different way to word it? I don't mind, you can choose :) --82.32.211.12 (talk) 15:04, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Antony again

You archive quickly. ;) Here is Antony's latest "contribution" to an article that I'm watching. Having told me he would be more careful when I warned him, he goes and changes the position of a player again with no explanation given. I would warn him again, but what would be the point, he refuses to listen. His most recent edits. The guy has been registered here for 18 months and ignores one of Wiki's basic requirements regarding flag usage. If you want to report him then I will support it. Argyle 4 Life^talk 08:05, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

THANKS A LOT

YOU WISHED ME HAPPY WEEK....HAPPY WEEK YOU TOO....FOR THE FLAGICONS I THOUGHT THAT YOU HADN'T A PROBLEM WITH THAT.....FOR EXAMPLE MY TEAM OLYMPIACOS HAS FLAGICONS IN PRESIDENT AND COACH...WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IF I PUT IT IN REAL OR BARCELONA???HONESTLY NOW....IM CURIOUS......

as for Holebas my site informed us that you will gain the greek Nationality at the end of September!!!

Pizzi

Hi Vasco, I assume it was you who cleared up the Pizzi page (good job btw), just so you know, in the statistics table I put Covilhã as fist division as he ended the season in that league with Paços Ferreira, and with Braga and La Liga because he will play this year with Atlético in that league. I wasn't sure which to put, but thankfully you have corrected it now. I'm sure you'll agree that his page needed more information, it looks far better now. --82.32.211.12 (talk) 22:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Moldovan National Division top scorers

Hi Vasco, Can I amend the template Template:Moldovan National Division top scorers by replacing it with the gold template and add the template to the correct pages. 2011 Can you reply as quickly as possible. 19:23 6 September by User talk:Alexgreene87 —Preceding undated comment added 18:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC).

Vieirinha

Yep, you were correct to remove POV in the article, and you were also correct to explain + justify your actions when questioned. I have clarified the appropriate policy for the editor in question. Cheers, GiantSnowman 12:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

• Hello again. I am glad that the unjustified rollback/deletion/undo or whatever you call it, was cleared out, backed by the intervention of the Giant. The unacceptable part having been cleared, I will nevertheless stick to my opinion that your action was also rude in itself. I take it that you presumed that it was just another case of a "passionate" Greek "fan" that "charmed" the article for fun. That was only partially the case. Even though the superlative language use and the lack of references do not formally comply with WP-NPOV policies (this much I, naturally, agree/admit to), I do not agree that the distortion in the truth of the player's profile was that dramatic (lets leave Messi & CR7 out of this). Moreover, I am sorry that an editor/vigilante, like yourself (please excuse the cosmetic-title, if you will), thinks so little of one of his compatriots. Especially if that compatriot excels in what this editor refers to as "the beautiful game", and especially if that compatriot is an ambassador of the sport and of (nowadays scarce) team ethics. Anyway, thanks for your (so prompt) corrections. It's good to know that WP is not a fan-site, but, fear not, I will return with refs/sources and less flashy descriptions. Because, if someone reads your version about Vieirinha, and sees the photo, he'll assume he's just a thick-shanked short-stuff who's done a couple of decent years in a no-name team... Is that true? You might agree, but I will not. In view of this question, I feel that (certain) sports should fall in the same category as religion and politics. It's so much more than just facts & references. Best regards & stay vigilant. Seriously now, I was astounded by the "pace" of the reviewing/correcting mechanism. Keep up the job -- Aleonymous (talk) 13:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

• Rudeness (also called impudence or effrontery) is a display of disrespectfulness by not complying with the social "laws" or etiquette of a group or culture. These laws have been established as the essential boundaries of normally accepted behavior. To be unable or unwilling to align one's behavior with these laws known to the general population of what is socially acceptable is to be rude. I wasn't rude to you, I wasn't rude to WP, and surely I wasn't rude to Adelino. And frankly, I don't think that Lionel or Cristiano would call my actions rude. However, in your case, you ousted someone's praises of another person, just because saying things like that "does not comply with WP-NPOV policy". How does that feel like? I understand that my action was UNACCEPTABLE (based on WP-policies) and my text was rightfully discarded, but your action was RUDE in view of my respect for this particular individual. It's not like I was swearing or cursing at somebody, or hurt someone's feelings or beliefs; that would make me rude. But, I guess that you don't really give a dime about all these things because being an acclaimed editor is already a hard job, so, to make a long story short: I was wrong, you corrected my wrong-doings, I apologize for my demeanor, and I hope this settles it. I'm sorry to have troubled you. Good evening -- Aleonymous (talk) 23:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

• Well, there was indeed a tone of something in my responses, but no, twas not mockery. It was more like bitterness stemming from my reproach of your actions (as explained before). So, I'm sorry if I insulted you. Moreover, as I already said, I don't think little of you. Evidently, what you do in WP you do it well (Ref: awarded editor "soccer star" etc). My comment was related to this stiffness of doing everything so "by-the-book". But that is a question of principle, and the principles of WP (NPOV) are strictly outlined, so I won't start discussing that here. Finally, you were right in my dislike of Messi & Ronaldo! The former plays for Barcelona that seriously annoys me, while the latter (AKA the "whiner", Ref:Euro2004) radiates a displeasing aura. As you see, you really "pushed my button" by referring to those two, comparing them to the "adored" Vieirinha (POV)! PS - the "troubled" bit was no sarcasm neither: I really think what you guys -unselfishly- do in WP is praiseworthy, and you don't need vandalizing hooligans to make things even worse... Nice talking to you, Vasco, and thanks for the advice on WP-editing - Aleonymous (talk) 10:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Mistakes

Hello again, Vasco! Thanks for repairing my pages. The only problem is: I'm Brazilian, and my English is poor. Thank you again. MYS77 (talk)

HOLA VASCO, Aquí Coelho nuevamente. Ya edité y actualicé los resultados de la Liga Sagres. Además y para cerrar el capítulo, la amenaza de tomar acciones judiciales y civiles al "personaje" sirvió porque dejó de molestar con J (mayúscula). Un Abrazo y que tenga un gran fin de semana. Scoelho86 (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Record (newspaper)

Hi Vasco,

Can I create a page which is relating to the Record newspaper. The article would be about the awards given out at the end of the season to the best referee, MVP and goalkeeper in the Primeira Liga. Alexgreene87 (talk) 12:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Kolins

Continue to revert, and continue to warn him about his actions. If he continues to act against consensus, and if he continues to refuse to discuss matters, then we may have to take further action... GiantSnowman 16:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Vieirinha : OK, thanks!

Vasco, OK with the final touches on Vieirinha. I hope it will be appropriate to add a line or two after the match against Tottenham this Thursday! As for Barcelona, I don't have anything with the players or their style, it's just that Barcelona matches are of small interest: you always know the outcome and the way it's gonna come (pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, through-ball, dribble past GK, score on open-goal). Finally, thanks for the advice on editing (Refs, Links, etc). Aleonymous (talk) 17:31, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

• Relax, that's what I was talking about! Updating his "score" record. Hopefully not the "sent off" and seriously not the "severely injured" one! (Thumbs up for ACM yesterday) Aleonymous (talk) 06:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

• Well, RM (your "special one" too!) are really annoying with all the millions-of-euros spent, so I won't mind them getting a lesson from DZ, whom I've come to like after we stole them the 2nd place in the EL group stage last year! Now, Porto... Well, there's a question here: Porto comes from a "small" country (no offense), so people around Europe tend to like them. They also seem to "create" players (i.e. not buy them), which also seems nice. However, I don't really know what is the opinion of non-Porto Portuguese people... I'd tend to believe that there must be something rotten in them! Frankly, its only natural (due to language "compatibility") that Portuguese clubs "feed on" the swelling Brazilian player-market, so it's kind of bizarre that only Porto has reached such a high competence level in Europe. Actually, that's just the problem with the national championships of "small" countries: At any given time windows, there are generally few (or even just 1-2) promising teams, so they tend to dominate everything, i.e. competitiveness eventually dies out. The general championship level would soon follow, if it wasn't for international competitions that help teams keep it up; but that's just for the top ones, so the "gap" always broadens. Aleonymous (talk) 10:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

• I completely agree with your point. Something should be done, at FIFA/UEFA level, at least. But unfortunately, under this trend, the situation is getting more-and-more difficult for "national" players to revert. Perhaps with the economic crisis in the euro-zone, kids will start playing football for livelihood, so we can "export" them to Brazil and Argentina instead! I'm Greek alright, and concerning PAOK, the players I (and I hope most healthy fans) really like, apart from "superstars" like Vieirinha (!) and "warriors" like Pablo Gabriel Garcia, are the young Greek ones, e.g. Stefanos Athanasiadis, Sotiris Balafas along with more senior ones like Salpi. You're right, FCB does have a relatively healthy youth-system (even if they're not all Catalans), whereas Arsenal, Porto, Real-Madrid etc really stink at it, judging from the "promoting national football" POV. One more thing about RM fans: I was really astounded when, two years ago, they voted Raúl González as one the least-liked players in their squad, thus prompting his departure. Ungrateful? I hope he gets to cross with RM somewhere in the CL and "tip" them with a couple of goals! Aleonymous (talk) 12:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Bruno corinthiano

Hi, I did not know that all these IP edits from Brazil most probably belong to this user. I had hoped that he lost interest because I hardly saw him on my watchlist, but it seems that he moved his vandalism somewhere else. I still hope that we can get a community ban for him like the one for User:Zombie433. --Jaellee (talk) 20:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Andrés respone

Yes, you're right at some parts. Then, I didn't thought that Asier was promoted as the first-choice, because Ricardo played in all La Liga fixtures during the last season. After my edit, I noticed that I was in wrong, but didn't re-edit it, because I forgot it in the late night.

I don't also doubt your positive intentions, but we both know that we're in Wikipedia, in a encyclopedia. That's why we must write only facts, not your 'storylines'. About Ricardo, I know, he will turn 40, but he is still 39 until 30 December. Andrés is second-choice goalkeeper and is playing, only because Asier is injured... and Asier is the first-choice, and probably will play when fit. --MrEskola (talk) 14:23, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Re:Opinion

Personally, I think all mention of "first-choice goalkeepers" should be avoided - to me, it comes across as POV. Playing more games doesn't make you first-choice if that is what you are going on - the other keeper could be injured/ill etc. This means that neither player should be described as "first-choice." GiantSnowman 22:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Pablo

Hello. There's little point me telling you yet again that the reason we don't link well-known countries, nationalities, etc is because the Manual of Style tells us not to, but I did anyway: see WP:OVERLINK bullet point 2. Linking is about giving the reader useful things to click on: I'd guess there wouldn't be many readers of an article about an ageing Spanish centre-back who suddenly want to jump to the article about England the country. There's no real point linking to both the group stages of this year's Europa League and to the competition as a whole: if the reader wants the Europa League in general, they'll find a link to it right at the top of the 2011–12 UEFA Europa League article. Though if you're going to link both, it'd be less misleading to link "group stages" either to the 2011–12 UEFA Europa League#Group stage section or to the specific article 2011–12 UEFA Europa League group stage.

Re the Championship being the English second tier, I've never understood why you have a problem with giving the general reader odd bits of information that they might find helpful. We aren't writing specifically for the knowledgeable football fan. And as to the layout of the lead, it surely isn't standard in any language, at least when writing for an adult readership, to leave a blank line after each sentence of a simple short paragraph? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:55, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Mattinho

Haz el favor de mirar este artículo, ¡todo es una puta mentira!. Mira qué es lo que se debe hacer en estos casos. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 16:27, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Agustín Abadía

Perdona, no te he contestado porque tengo que consultar revistas antiguas que tengo en mi anterior domicilio. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 16:46, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Patas de Chichicuilote

I've blocked the account. You are likely to get a faster response if you report incidents like this to WP:AIV instead of leaving messages for individual admins. Hut 8.5 19:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Perdón?

Buen Día Vasco, La verdad me sorprende tu mensaje, y te exijo respeto porque en ningún momento me he metido contigo. Es más te había escrito para saber cómo habían seguido las cosas, y tu no me contestaste??, yo no necesito decirlo, para demostrar que soy una persona decente que respeta y exige respeto. Y si el "personaje aquel" siguió molestando insultalo a él no a mi, de igual forma gracias por avisarlo, porque no me aguanto más esta situación: lo joden a ud y yo soy el afectado. Se lo repito nunca había (ni he tenido) problemas con nadie ni aquí ni en ninguna parte. Voy a tomar cartas en el asunto YA!

Un saludo.Scoelho86 (talk) 00:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Te escribí así porque me creía que me estabas insultando con lo de "gamberro" en mi user_talk. never mind. Que sigas teniendo un fin de semana.

Wikipedia does not need keyboard warriors

Despite having been reprimanded for it many times, you continue to use an extraordinarily aggressive and inappropriate in your editnotes. You have claimed many times that you will make an effort to curtail these, but this is not happening. You accuse other editors of racism, but you are prone to emphasising the nationality of other editors in these edit notes as though it were relevant, or as though you had uncovered a weakness. You make sarcastic comments about the standard of other people's English in editnotes are scarcely justified given the errors that you make in the language. You accuse others of edit-warring, when you are just as culpable of not bringing the matter to talk pages as they are. You wind up other editors by declaring your joy in reverting their edits. It is never acceptable to describe another editor as human waste. Frankly, you give the impression of a child who goes out of his way to wind up bigger kids who are known to be prone to acting roughly, and then running off to the teachers on duty as soon as they respond. And in regard to the teachers in that analogy, please note that WT:FOOTY is not WP:AIV. Kevin McE (talk) 07:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

João Pedro Pinto Martins

VascoAmaral, este gajo é tuga ou...? Epa, para mim ele é tuga! --Hydao (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

P.S. lol, li agora o coiso de cima, não mudes o teu estilo de edit! =D --Hydao (talk) 18:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Antiguoko

That is fantastic, thank you so much, the article looks a lot better now! Cheers, GiantSnowman 11:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Valentino Fiévet

Según la actualización de la Guía MARCA de la Liga 2012 (página 145) fue cedido al Sabiñánigo, es la única noticia que he encontrado; en internet no he visto nada. Saludos. Mega60 (talk) 09:34, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Phil Babb

Hi Vasco. The information I removed was not referenced - in line citations (i.e. using <ref></ref> tags) should ALWAYS be used over a list external links. GiantSnowman 11:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Benito Floro

Más equipos entrenados puestos en el "box". Saludos Mega60 (talk) 12:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Agustín Abadía

Algunos cambios: 1980–85 Binéfar, 1985–89 Logroñés ; 1997–99 Binéfar; 1999 entrenador Binéfar juvenil; 2002 entrenador Logroñés; 2008 entrenador Logroñés. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Quique Hernández

He creado el "box", pero si tienes ganas de trabajo... Saludos Mega60 (talk) 17:52, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Atila Turan

Sigh. I don't know where you get this "everyone is out to get Vasco" idea from but, in my case, it was hardly that. In Tiago Targino's case, aside from one reference, the article was completely un-sourced and obviously needed to be, so I added some. As for Atila Turan, the article is on my watch-list and, after seeing your edits, I thought I'd expand the article. First off, Turan being born to Turkish parents as you stated was a completely un-sourced claim (for some reason, you have a habit of not sourcing the majority of your work), so I changed it to Turkish origin as that is the only statement I have found in sources (Being that he is of Turkish origin). Who knows, his parents are probably from Turkey or maybe.......just maybe his grandparents or his great grandparents or only his father or only his mother are from Turkey. It's all hypothetical, so we go with what the sources state and I've yet to find one that states his parents came directly from Turkey.

As for the piping, for the umpteenth time, in France, clubs are referred to by where they are based, not there full names, En Avant de Guingamp is known simply as Guingamp, AC Ajaccio as Ajaccio, Le Havre AC as Le Havre. Need I go on. I kept the Portuguese clubs unpiped because I don't know how they are referred to. Sporting Clube de Portugal seems to often be referred to as simply Sporting CP, but I am not from Portugal or have any knowledge of the club other than it being a decent side, so I didn't change it. Same with S.C. Beira-Mar. You know what's funny, I was hesitant to improve on the article because I knew you were going to come on my talk page and say something. You really have to stop taking things so seriously. You improved on my work and, I, yours. If I disagree with an improvement you've made then I will inform you cordially and nicely in the edit summary. Case closed. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I've never said I was afraid to edit articles you've edited. Trust me I have, see David Luiz, Sergio Canales, and Tiago Targino for examples. I said you take things way too seriously. Looking at your recent edits, you've completely blown out of proportion a tongue-in-cheek edit by a user. Were you that insulted that you had to get GiantSnowman involved? As for the Coupe de la Ligue stuff, I took care of it. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:37, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Too much pressure interacting with you? LOL. Whatever, man. — JS^{Rant Away} 22:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Un abrazo

Hola, Vasco! jajaja, no te tomes a mal lo de mis gritos. Realmente los puse intentando que te resultaran graciosos ya que observo que resaltas en mayúscula varias palabras en muchas de tus ediciones. Eres un crack, mil gracias por cómo te lo curras. Un abrazo. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 19:41, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

José Fonte‎

Hi Vasco - sorry, but I can't accept your edit to the Honours section. Can you point me to the discussion where it was agreed "that we're not counting runner-up finishes in leagues"? He received a medal for the runners-up position last season ( I was there when it was presented) so what makes it any less an honour than winning the JP Trophy? -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 21:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Messi!

There is a discussion that I have started that might interest you! I don't want to get involved in an edit war so I have stopped reverting it - I've tried to engage in a discussion but no one seems interested!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lionel_Messi#change_of_positions.21

--Simba1409 (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

A beer for you!

I think it's time for a beer in your time zone. Enjoy. Drmies (talk) 18:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Kolins (again!)

Hi Vasco, let's post at WP:FOOTBALL to get gauge community consensus - who knows, we may be wrong! - and then if we need to, we will report to administrators. How does that plan sound? GiantSnowman 17:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Well I didn't really expect him to be talkative about this, so no surprises there. Keep monitoring his edits, and if he continues to edit against community consensus (as we appear to have got over at FOOTY) then we can ask for admin intervention. Cheers, and have a good weekend. GiantSnowman 17:29, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Fernando Amorebieta response

Greetings,

I replied in full in the talk page. But the short-hand version of it is: yes, just how you stated in my talk page. Cheers. Digirami (talk) 15:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Removing inline references

You removed the cited source for Andy van der Meyde's career stats without any attempt at explaining why in your edit summary. It's concerning that an editor of your experience still doesn't seem to have grasped that content is supposed to have sources. I do hope that this and Borja Granero were the only occasions on which you've removed references or sourced content for no apparent reason. It would be extremely concerning if you were doing this regularly on articles that people don't happen to notice. Struway2 (talk) 07:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Struway2 (talk) 17:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

"Only thing good was the NT update, the rest stays!"

With an exclamation point as well. Nice. You make it seem like I've vandalized the page multiple times and it's gone unnoticed until now. You even reverted my edits (three of them).... edits as in plural when two of three were only NT updates (ya I know. you've kept them in the page). So tell me, what was wrong? He does play attacking midfield/support striker, internationally at least. Also, "Spanish-Filipino" linked to "Spanish people" & "Filipino people" articles respectively. Surely that can't be a violation of some sort that I'm not aware of. lol. Or are you one them editors that has to have things YOUR way/standards? I've come across a few those. Banana Fingers (talk) 21:20, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello Fellow

It's my pleasure. Happy editing & Have a good day my friend :) S∃AN ^(Hit) 18:53, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Eugenio Bustingorri

The article Eugenio Bustingorri has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I could not find significant coverage of this specific player in reliable sources. Delete per WP:GNG.

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Rubio

En el Real Madrid B estuvo la temporada 1998/99, después del lío que hubo entre el Deportivo y el Real Madrid (no pudo jugar en ningún equipo durante ese tiempo) pudiera ser que volviera al Real Madrid B a finales de 1999 (cuando ficha por el Toledo en el diario Mundo Deportivo pone que proviene del Real Madrid B) pero no lo he encontrado por ningún lado, es una suposición. Eso sí, es imposible que jugara los partidos que dice ForadeJogo en el caso de que volviera al equipo. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 10:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Eugenio Bustingorri for deletion

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Speedy deletion nomination of Dinis Silva Gomes Resende

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Miguel Ángel Pérez

He modificado algunas cosas en el box, mira si puedes añadir algo más.

http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1968/06/02/pagina-2/947981/pdf.html

http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1971/03/19/pagina-3/975556/pdf.html

Saludos Mega60 (talk) 16:06, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Modificado box en Joan Golobart. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Modificado box en Paco Flores. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Otro equipo en el box (1982-84). Mega60 (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Halliche again

Hi Vasco, thank you for your reply and I appreciate that you took the time to send me a message. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand your reasoning and the and I know that for the majority of clubs you can do that .. but trust me, it makes absolutely no sense to do that for Algerian club names! It might be hard to understand for someone not familiar with Algerian clubs but as you may (or may not) know, Algerian football is my speciality .. and having a club by just its neighbourhood or city makes no sense. For example, the club Halliche played for is known commonly known as NAHD .. or NA Hussein Dey when you want to expand it. You will never see Hussein Dey by itself in someone's biography, makes no sense lol. Anyways, once again, I appreciate that you sent me the message and I know it might not be the reply you are looking for but please please take my advice on this one. Keep up the great work! TonyStarks (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Kolins and nationality categories

Yep, he is now going against community consensus, I will take it to ANI momentarily. Keep your eyes peeled! GiantSnowman 18:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Roda JC

Hey there, VascoAmaral. Yes you may go on ad infinitum - and will still be wrong. What is true for many a Dutch club - i.e. Feyenoord, AFC Ajax, Vitesse - is not true für Roda JC. The fact is, that Roda JC changed their name officially to Roda JC Kerkrade in 2010, as you can read in this notice. Reason for this was financial help from the city of Kerkrade. Having been told, maybe you will revise your move of the article. Best regards -- Jo Atmon ^ello 12:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

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El Mundo opinion piece

The column used on Inaxio Kortabarria and José Ángel Iribar as a reference is nothing more than an opinion piece, and a pretty extreme one for that matter. The facts we are trying to back are:
a) Both players carried the basqued flag at one match.
b) Iribar later became involved in politics.
Right?
On that column these two ideas are mentioned once, in the middle of an ocean of vaguely related stuff. I have provided 2 concise and realiable articles backing both a) and b). That El Mundo piece shouldn't be anywhere near wikipedia, even less a source. Hoping you consider my take on all this. Kind regards. --Txuriurdin (talk) 23:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
The only reason why the word BLOG doesn't appear on that url is because it was written in the year 2000, when blogs weren't yet widespread. El Mundo is indeed a respectable paper but it contains opinion pieces as well as news. Only the latter belong in wikipedia as references. When I call it 'an opinion piece' I'm not just being dismissive, I'm pointing at the fact that it is not a piece of news. It's like using a column from a 9-11 conspirationist as a reference, arguing that one of the thousand 'facts' mentioned is, strictly speaking, true. I will insist on taking it off. Have a nice weekend. --Txuriurdin (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

PROD/AfD

No, you haven't done it correctly (I've removed your changes to the 'Article Alert' page, to delete an article please follow instructions at WP:PROD or WP:AfD. If you need any more help let me know, I should have more time tonight. Cheers, GiantSnowman 11:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

MYS77

Hello. On the basis that every one of his creations over the last month or so passes WP:NFOOTBALL and is properly ref'd, showing he quite clearly has grasped the correct guidelines, I didn't see any need to speak to or about him at all. The non-notable articles were created 9 and 14 months ago, not last week, and the correct action would have been a routine PROD. I see Giant Snowman has offered to help you with that. I think you are being over-sensitive about the external links thing: it was a positive comment on what MYS77 had learnt about how Wikipedia articles should be built, not a sideswipe at your editing style. And yes, I do think his English has improved tremendously. He makes mistakes, but his sentence construction is much better than it was. If you do copyedit his work, please use a light touch, and please follow the Manual of Style. I'm sure you don't want to discourage a useful contributor. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Diplomacy

Not something that many people would think of in connection with me.....

Thank you :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

PRODs

Listing articles on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article alerts does not list them for deletion, you have to actually follow the procedures at WP:PROD...GiantSnowman 20:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Have you tagged them with the PROD template, as per WP:PROD? Regards, GiantSnowman 22:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

There are very clear instructions at Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#Nominating. However, if you're still struggling, then simply tell me which articles you believe are non-notable, and I will nominate if appropriate. GiantSnowman 23:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I have tagged all six articles for deletion. If anyone - IP, article creator, even Jimmy Wales - anyone! - removes the tag, you cannot re-add it; we'll have to take to AfD instead. Regards, GiantSnowman 11:56, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Counago

It is beneficial to the reader to include key information in the lead, such as clubs that he has played for and international recognition. Saying that he made no impact at certain clubs is your opinion. I lay out the infobox like I do because it's easy to read and update, with the intention of updating it in the future as and when he plays, but frankly I don't care any more. Do as you wish. Argyle 4 Life^talk 21:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Friendship

Vasco, muito obrigado mesmo pelo cookie, adorei e ao mesmo tempo achei engraçado! Eu acredito que nós dois podemos virar bons amigos aqui no Wikipedia. Agradeço desde já, boa semana para você! Abraços, MYS77 (talk) 00:51, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

RE: Digão

Hello, Vanished user 201913. You have new messages at Luxic's talk page.
Message added 11:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Zerozero, Foradejogo, etc.

Vasco, uma pergunta: colaboras com algum site nosso (tuga)? FkpCascais (talk) 04:14, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Varzim S.C. players

All done. Ready and waiting to be populated - I've added a few. Apologies for going off on one last week. Supporting my club for the last three years usually results in me being grumpy and irritable on matchday and days after. Didn't mean to cause offence. Argyle 4 Life^talk 16:01, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I've done a few more that I could find. If you want more categories done in the future just let me know. Argyle 4 Life^talk 18:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Lorenzo Juarros García

Hello. I noticed he wasn't born in the Basque Country but he played for Athletic Bilbao, which proves he is a Basque footballer, as only Basques are permitted to play for Athletic Bilbao. Also, the Basque Wikipedia refers to him as a Basque footballer. Regards. - Darwinek (talk) 09:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Roland Linz

I'm always willing to compromise. By the way, is there anyway to get his Taça de Portugal and Taça da Liga stats? Kingjeff (talk) 00:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Kolins

I will launch another ANI again, when I have free time tonight, hopefully had having two discussions about it at WP:FOOTY will lend strength to it... GiantSnowman 09:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Kolins and footballer nationality categories

Back at ANI, sorry it's taken so long, real life issues. GiantSnowman 21:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Cheers Vasco, and thanks for taking this encyclopedic football thing seriously! Drmies (talk) 21:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Nuno Gomes

Qual é o problema com a edição que fiz do Nuno Gomes? Esse tipo de dados que acrescentei é o tipo de coisas que adoro ler nos artigos dos futebolistas, e de certeza que não sou o único. Tudo o que acrescentei é verificável, mesmo aquele que dizes que não está referenciado (se vires as datas dos golos internacionais dos jogadores em questão, chegas àquilo que escrevi). Também a história dos 5 golos em 71 minutos parece-me relevante, dá a entender que mesmo em final de carreira manteve o rendimento. Mexaboy (talk) 23:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

International goals

Boas Vasco, espero que esteja tudo bem.

Tenho uma dúvida: Porque é que na página do Nélson Oliveira não podem ser colocados os golos das selecções sub 16-21? Jogadores como o Messi, Fernando Torres, Álvaro Vázquez, Henrique ou Rodrigo têm essa informação.

Pessoalmente acho que a página ficaria um pouco mais completa e, apesar de serem as camadas jovens, acho que são golos importantes. Afinal são por Portugal.

Concordo! Tal como na minha revisão do Nuno Gomes, acho que estes pormenores são óptimos para quem gosta de ler sobre os futebolistas! Eu sempre gostei mais de artigos com este tipo de detalhe. Mexaboy (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Evanílson Aparecido Ferreira

Hi Vasco. I checked the German references in the Evanílson article and an additional one in the kicker and I understood the following things:

In 2011, Amoroso moved from Parma to Dortmund in exchange of the transfer rights for Evanílson and an additional sum of 15.5 million Mark (about 8 million Euro). kicker says that the cost was the transfer rights for Evanílson plus 15 million Mark (7.7 million Euro).

Der Spiegel estimated that the total fee for Amoroso was about 51 million Mark (26 million Euro) because the transfer fees for Amoroso and Evanílson were offset against each other. This would mean that the transfer rights for Evanílson were valued at about 36–37 million Mark (18–19 million Euro). kicker says the transfer rights for Evanílson were valued at about 39 million Mark (20 million Euro). kicker called this amount inappropriate, inflated and absurd and confirms that this was done for accounting reasons.

Evanílson was then loaned back to Dortmund for the 2001–02 season, says Der Spiegel. kicker agrees and says that Dortmund only paid a tip or beer money ("Trinkgeld" in German) for this loan. I cannot confirm the €250,000 annual rent that are currently mentioned in the article. kicker also says that a contractual clause forced Dortmund to buy him back in the summer of 2003.

The other source (Transfermarkt) in the article said that the total fee for Amoroso was 35 million Mark (17.5 million Euro). I don't know how this adds up with the other sources, but I would consider Der Spiegel and kicker more reliable.

I hope that helps. --Jaellee (talk) 20:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Uli Hoeneß

Hi Vasco, that comment was because you had repeatedly removed the single (kicker) reference of a BLP article and moved it to the external links section. Some time ago (years?), when there was the discussion about deleting all unreferenced BLPs, I put at least one inline reference into the articles of those German footballers that were in the category "unreferenced BLPs". Granted, the kicker references are not really "good" references, but IMHO they are better than no reference with regard to WP:BLPPROD. I asked some days ago at WT:FOOTY, if external links are as good as inline citations with regard to WP:BLPPROD and the general opinion was that it will probably be okay for the moment, but who knows what will come.

So please do not remove the single inline reference without providing another one, okay? I saw too late (after my edit) that the Uli Hoeneß article did in fact contain another reference ...

About kicker with a small letter "k": kicker always uses the small letter in there publications (see Kicker (sports magazine)#Trivia). So in my opinion, if kicker themselves uses consequently lower case, shouldn't Wikipedia do that, too?

Sorry Vasco, I was just composing the answer right this moment. --Jaellee (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

There was a match going on today in the Bundesliga which captured my attention while writing, so it took some time. --Jaellee (talk) 21:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I can second that about "kicker", Vasco, they just style their name as such, as you can see here. Have a nice evening over there! Jared Preston (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

German club seasons

Would you be able to help out with any of the German club seasons? Kingjeff (talk) 18:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Runner-up

Oi Vasco, como vai? Não sei se reparou, mas tem um sujeito retirando os vice-campeonatos (Copa del Rey) dos jogadores do Barcelona. Reverti a edição dele uma vez, mas ele tornou a faze-la. Pelo jeito, ele usa IPs anônimos e diferentes, mas deve ser a mesma pessoa. O que podemos fazer para evitar isso?

• Aproveitando o assunto, poderíamos padronizar todos os jogadores do Barcelona... o que acha? E, aliás, os jogadores mais antigos (2006) também foram vices do 'FIFA Club World Cup' e da 'UEFA Super Cup'. Neste casos, deve constar também? Um abraço.
  • Grande Vasco, ótimo trabalho. Nos últimos tempos está muito corrido pra mim, tanto que tenho entrado pouco aqui. Mas, na medida do possível, vou te ajudando. Abraço, 'cara'.
    • Só para informar que além do IP anônimo - que continua retirando nossas edições - agora o 'teu' amigo PeeJay resolveu fazer o mesmo no Gerard Piqué. E se conheço bem esse grande CHATO, ele não vai parar de reverter. Então se puder falar com ele, não perdemos muito tempo. No mais, um abraço e bom fim de semana. --Raulseixas (talk) 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Vasco, I respect your opinion, but I am not the only one who thinks that runners-up "honours" should not be listed. If you look at the edit history of Gerard Piqué, another editor recently reverted Raulseixas' addition too. If the Project thinks we should add them, fair enough, but for the time being I've seen no consensus to add them. – PeeJay 08:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Festive Wishes

	Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year
	Wishing you a Merry Christmas, a fabulous Hogmanay and all the best in 2012. Edinburgh Wanderer 22:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Solução!?

Oi Vasco, estava vendo a discussão sobre aquela última questão. O problema é que eles pensam que fazemos isso por questão nacionalista... o que não tem nada a ver. Bom, estava pensando em uma solução. Que tal então colocarmos assim: Born in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain / Born in Terrassa, Catalonia, Spain / Ou seja, retirar a província. Ficaria a cidade, a comunidade autônoma e o país (daí eles sossegam). O que acha? Se você concordar, pode escrever isso lá na página. Por mim seria um consenso... daí respeitaria de boa. Abraço. --Raulseixas (talk) 16 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.73.81.77 (talk)

Oi Vasco, pelo que estou vendo, nem eles sabem o que querem. O cara que começou a discussão cada hora diz uma coisa. E apenas mais um está incomodando com o assunto. Na real, parece que eles que são nacionalistas (espanhóis). Porque eles implicam unicamente com "Barcelona, Catalonia". Se você fala "Sevilla, Andalusia", eles nem ligam. Enfim, acho que isso não vai acabar em nada. Mas vamos continuar defendendo nossa ideia. E concordo com você, "Barcelona, Spain" fica óbvio, pois esta informação já está no infobox e no início do artigo já diz "é um futebolista espanhol"... Mas é como eu disse: estes dois que estão teimando nunca editaram jogadores espanhóis... daí eles se metem, mudam um ou dois, e sobra pra nós ter que 'arrumar' os outros. São uns caras chatos....

Realmente, o cara é simpático mesmo. Por isso pedi ajuda à ele. ;)

--Raulseixas (talk) 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Vasco Tony from London, Merry Xmas pal.

Rabius contract has been terminated by mutual consent and I have updated it. I know you monitor the edits for Vandals, Just letting you know its me!

Happy new year in advance!

Tony86.166.188.136 (talk) 16:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

"Fixing" redirects

Hello. I know it's probably pointless expecting you to take any notice, but please consider taking notice of the editing guideline called Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken. It says "Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. While there are a limited number of cases where this is beneficial, it is generally an unhelpful exercise, and it can actually be detrimental. With a few limited exceptions, there are no good reasons to pipe links solely to avoid redirects. It is almost never helpful to replace [[redirect]] with [[target|redirect]]."

For instance, an editor may write "in the seventh minute of [[stoppage time]]..." rather than "in the seventh minute of [[Association football#Duration and tie-breaking methods|stoppage time]]..." because just plain linked stoppage time will always link to the right place, and because it doesn't make the edit window difficult to read by cluttering it up with a long-winded link.

If the exact place that stoppage time redirects to gets changed in the future, as doubtless it will, what's easier to fix? one redirect from the page stoppage time, or umpteen articles containing [[Association football#Duration and tie-breaking methods|stoppage time]]. Happy new year, Struway2 (talk) 16:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

It's difficult watching an editor of your experience and enthusiasm being so reluctant to follow Wikipedia's various guidelines when doing so doesn't fit in with your preferred way of doing things. Not just the redirects thing, although it's not the first time that's been mentioned to you. But that's no excuse for me starting the above post in an uncivil manner, and I hope you'll accept my apologies for such unnecessary rudeness. Struway2 (talk) 19:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Duda - Respuesta

Hola, Vasco, Los filiales no pueden jugar en la misma categoría que el primer equipo. Si el Villarreal desciende a Segunda, el Villarreal B sería arrastrado a Segunda B. Y así con todos los clubes. Saludos y todo lo mejor para 2012. --Raymond Cruise (talk) 18:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, ya, entiendo lo que quieres decirme. El ascenso del Villarreal B a Primera no le serviría de nada. Tendría que jugar "por fuerza" en Segunda División B. Eso es, el primer equipo siempre por encima del filial. He intentado explicar lo mejor posible. Saludos. --Raymond Cruise (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Regional player categories

Thanks my friend, though I think as a compromise we should include both regional + national categories, until consensus is firmly established. Yes, studies have finished, working isn't nearly as fun - hope you had a great 2011 and hope you have a better 2012! GiantSnowman 16:16, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I noticed as well that you (that is, Vasco) have been doing some reverting. You should keep in mind that the discussion has not been about the existence of the regional category as such, but rather about whether it makes any sense to include the national category as well. Both Camw and myself have expressed the opinion that it isn't necessary, because the national (parent) category is already implicitly included in the regional subcategories, which is why including the national category as well doesn't give any new information. In word: in cases where a regional category exists, the national category is redundant. The discussion can basically have two outcomes: either a consensus is reached about replacing the national category with the regional one in cases where a regional category exists, or, which seems more likely, no real consensus is reached, in which case the practical outcome will the same as in the hypothetical situation where everyone would agree to keep the national category alongside the regional one. In any case, the regional category will remain. The question has been only this: will the national category be kept as an explicit category even in cases where it is already included implicitly as a parent category of the regional one? This now seems likely. Omitting a category would of course require a much clearer consensus, which is why I think that the national category will probably remain even in cases where a regional category exists, and I'm perfectly willing to accept that result. The unilateral action that you (that is, Vasco) have been taking lately, on the other hand, is way out of line. If you had just limited yourself to merely adding the national (parent) category alongside the regional subcategory, that would be perfectly all right. However, you have been removing the regional subcategory from many articles, and that is definitely not the correct way to act in a situation of this kind. I'd like to remind you once again of the fact that the discussion was not about the existence of the regional subcategory as such, but about whether we should explicitly include the national (parent) category even in cases where it's already implicitly included (through the regional subcategory). Do by all means include the national category, I have nothing against that (the outcome will almost certainly be that both categories should be included), but I strongly advise you not to go on deleting the regional category, as there cannot possibly be any justification for such unilateral action. Monegasque (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I had written the comment above before reading your comment on my talk page, so the only thing I'd like to add is: Feliz Ano Novo! Monegasque (talk) 21:01, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Raul Meireles

Boas noites. Ja tive a trabalhar há algum tempo na pagina do Raul Meireles e estou com um problema. Já tentei colocar a secção das estatisticas do clube correctamente, com os clubes, ligas, jogos, golos e as respectivas referencias, de forma a apresentar esta o maximo completa e verdadeira. O problema é que existem alguns users que estão constantemente a acrescentar as assistencias e outras referencias, e os valores para além de nem sempre estarem correctos, tambem tornam a tabela incompleta pois não existem assistencias de épocas mais antigas... e eu ja tentei mudar várias vezes estes edits e acaba por voltar sempre ao mesmo... Será que me podias dár uma ajuda?

Um resto de um bom fim de semana e um bom ano.

10cents (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Ricardo Oliveira

Hi Vasco, what was the rationale behind this edit. You have removed an in-line cite and have replaced his early career with two uncited paragraphs. Please don't keep moving references to external links just because you like it that way. All work should be directly cited. If parts of the article are being sourced by references placed in External links then instead they should be directly cited. Eldumpo (talk) 10:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Your edit summary indicated that it is 'better as a link'. Why do you think that, bearing in mind WP:EL. You also state that it 'sources nothing'. This is not true, the text I added for that section was supported by the NFT reference. Of course we don't need to use NFT to source moves, but we need to be using a cite from somewhere, and not relying on just placing external links at the end. I removed the existing text in the section because it was unreferenced, which is perfectly acceptable to do. However you should not have just undone my changes because you were removing directly sourced info.

Yes, the NFT source had additional info on his other clubs, it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with using it as a source for these clubs. If you have a problem with using NFT full stop that is another question, but this is used on a large number of football articles, and I note it was you who added it as an External link to this article originally. In any case you should not have just removed the cited text. The early career section of his current article is largely uncited, and only the last part of the second sentence is cited. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 10:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hola Vasco Amaral

Soy Rubén Sanz, usuario portero asteras No se si este es el lugar indicado para escribirte pero dado que es un tema urgenet espero que lo y me entiendas. Necesito porfavor pornerme en contacto contigo si hay posibilidad vía mail te lo agradecería. Necesito, tu que trabajas en Wikipedia que me ayudes a actualizar la página de la wikipedia así como subir algunas fotografías de mi hermano Jacobo Sanz Ovejero.

Mi correo electrónico es [email protected]

Atentamente un saludo!

Portero asteras (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC).

Nicknames etc

Hi Vasco, I'd say that the best online resource that can be used to determine quickly and in a reliable way whether a player is usually referred to by a nickname or not is this: [6] . The link opens directly on the current squad of Albacete Balompié, which we can use as an example. You will see that those players who are usually known by a nickname are listed by their nickname, while those who are not are listed as "Surname, First name". It seems to me that the most sensible thing would be to let transfermarkt.co determine in each individual case whether a nickname can be used in sorting the player or not and it occurred to me that you would probably agree with me on that point. What is needed here is a good and reliable resource that can be used to settle eventual disputes even before they occur, and transfermakt.co is obviously the best resource for this purpose. What do you say? Monegasque (talk) 23:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Ángel Jesús Mejías Rodríguez

Tengo como pendiente darle una mirada pero ahora entro muy poco en Wikipedia, estoy en BDFutbol ayudando a que sea la mejor web sobre las tres primeras categorías del fútbol español.

En lo que respecta a Daniel González Benítez tienes razón. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 11:49, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Kolins

When will he learn?! I am busy today but will launch another ANI tomorrow (Saturday) when I have some free time. Have a good weekend, GiantSnowman 09:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Now at WP:ANI. GiantSnowman 13:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Portugal B

Boas Vasco, por acaso sabes onde posso arranjar os stats de Portugal B? FkpCascais (talk) 09:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Helton Arruda

Olá Vasco. O clube onde Helton jogou no Brasil se chama Vasco DA Gama, não "Vasco de Gama" e muito menos "Vasco Gama". É uma homenagem ao navegador português. O uso de informações corretas é prioridade da Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shenandora (talk • contribs) 13:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Kolins

Hi Vasco, at the ANI I was advised to take the matter to RFC/U, so I have started Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kolins, amd your input would be welcome, seeing as you are the one who highlighted me to the issue in the first place. Regards, GiantSnowman 20:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Rubén Miño

Oi Vasco, como está? Após um bom período de férias, retornei às minhas atividades. Prometi para mim mesmo que tentarei não entrar em tantos conflitos este ano, mas já vejo um logo de início. O GRANDE IDIOTA Jimbo On line (corno desgraçado) resolveu agora colocar o empréstimo do Rubén Miño como profissional, sendo que na época ele era juvenil ainda. Neste caso tenho certeza absoluta que estou certo e que você concorda comigo, pois já editamos diversos atletas. Esse babaca em questão não entende nada do futebol espanhol e fica fazendo isso apenas para me afrontar. Se você puder explicar ao idiota que o Rubén Miño foi emprestado enquanto juvenil, ou seja, deve ficar no 'youth', eu agradeço. No mais, feliz 2012 e ótimas realizações. Abraços sinceros e estima. RaulseixasRaulseixas 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Obrigado, amigo. Felicidades!

Raulseixas, calling someone what translates pretty much as an idiot and asshole on someone else's talk page is cowardly of you. Perhaps you shouldn't be so disruptive in your other editing as an IP user. --Jimbo^[online] 22:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Loans

Fair enough, he's so disruptive with his other edits it's hard to know what's legitimate. Editing as an IP doesn't fool anyone either :s --Jimbo^[online] 22:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Hakan Sukur

I failed to notice the section about his political career. Thank you for informing me :) --Cerian (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Your edit summaries

Considering [7], please remember that WP:BLP applies to edit summaries as well. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 21:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

re: User:Alexanderalgrim

Hello Vasco. Glad to hear from you again - I hope you and your family had a good holiday season!

I understand your frustration with this user, but I am happy that he has improved the quality of articles he is creating. Most of them are players who have at least appeared in the Liga de Honra, and he is using the reliable source Foradejogo.net. I wish he would focus on improving some of the important biographies that are in need of attention, but at least he isn't creating articles for second division and lower players now. He may be causing other problems for you, so I'm sorry if you are experiencing more trouble. If he is vandalising pages, we can report it and have him blocked, but I haven't seen edits that were vandalism yet.

Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Antonio Casado Ruiz

"Investigado" Antonio Casado: las temporadas 1979/80 y 1980/81 en el Betis B; la temporada 1990/91 (2ªB sin saber los partidos) en el Huelva; las temporadas 1991/92 (3ª sin saber los partidos), 1992/93 (2ªB sin saber los partidos), 1993/94 (2ªB con partidos sumados al total), 1994/95 (2ªB con partidos sumados al total), 1997/98 (2ªB con partidos sumados al total) en el Écija; la temporada 1998/99 en el Dos Hermanas.

Saludos Mega60 (talk) 11:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Clemente Fernández López

El Deportivo Castilla es el mismo equipo que el Betis San Isidro (cambió el nombre), es un club que aún existe; no era filial del Real Madrid. En cuanto si vive o no; no he encontrado por ningún sitio que haya muerto, así que hasta próximas investigaciones continuará como vivo.

Saludos Mega60 (talk) 17:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Albert Meyong

I am sorry Vasco, have a good weekend. 19:02, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Uncivility - Reply

Hi Vasco, sorry if I was harsh. I didn't not really mean it in the way it was written. It was the end of the night and maybe I was a bit frustrated. You've done great work on here and I have no doubt that you will continue to do so. What I really meant to say is that you should always enjoy editing Wikipedia. Once you let it get the better of you, it will become more of a chore. Anyways, don't take my words too literally, I didn't really mean you should quit editing. However, I will say again, you should not be insulting other users, whether they are vandals or not. We all deal with vandalism every single day but as regular, experienced contributors, we should be able to take the higher ground. Anyways, take care, sorry to get you down if I did! TonyStarks (talk) 19:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Jacinto Elá

Hola, Vasco! Te escribo para consultarte una duda. Los jugadores que juegan en un equipo de "reserves" de la Premier ¿se coloca en el historial de "Senior career" o el de "Youth career"? Lo pregunto por Jacinto Elá, que no debutó en el primer equipo del Southampton y jugó varias temporadas en el equipo filial. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 15:41, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Estimado compañero, he actualizado datos e historial de Jacinto, pero como bien vienes sufriendo, mi estilo en inglés es malo. Si puedes revísa el artículo y lo completas tan bien como me gusta que completes mis artículos. Un abrazo. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Userpage

I didn't think setting indefinite full protection was a very good idea so I set an expiry on it. Unfortunately when any protection expires the software reverts the page to unprotected status so your userpage wasn't protected. I've semi-protected it now and I haven't set an expiry. Hut 8.5 17:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Juan Carlos Pérez López (footballer born 1945)

Many thanks for your work on this article, I was surprised there wasn't already a page on him, he seems quite famous! If there is a reliable source which confirms the stats for the first Santander spell, then it should have been added at the same time. Thanks, GiantSnowman 20:35, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Piping

Hi Vasco, I have undone your de-piping here - any reason why you keep removing the piped link? That is standard on footballer articles. Thanks, GiantSnowman 09:26, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi mate, I see where you're coming from, but ideally it should be piped throughout... GiantSnowman 16:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Rui Fonte

Adicionei aquela categoria na altura porque pensava que ele tinha mesmo assinado pelo tal clube lol. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rui_Fonte&diff=467001463&oldid=466693700 "On 19 December Rui Fonte signed a three-year contract with Olympiakos FC in Greece" --Hydao (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

re

Thanks, you do excellent job! You have improved a lot the Portuguese database. Best regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vezuviunn (talk • contribs) 22:04, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Pablo Infante

Hola, Vasco! agradezco tu ojo avizor. Considero que el caso de Infante es muy particular y de relevancia. Pero claro, mi criterio no sirve. Ser el top scorer de Copa no es poco y se está hablando mucho de él esta temporada. Me gustaría que le dieras tu visto bueno. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Dealing with vandals

Hi Vasco, I have given him a level-1 warning for removing valid referenced information from an article; if he continues to do so we should issue level 2, level 3 etc. warnings in increasing severity (per Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace), and once we reach the top level, take it to WP:AIV. If you need any more help, let me know. Cheers, GiantSnowman 17:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I do not know much about talking in Wikipedia, not that power abusers and lunatics like you two deserve a reply from me, but I have reported both this Vasco character and Giant Snowman or whoever to Wikipedia directly. If they want, they will now resolve it. You two can perfectly and very seriously expect legal action if any more of this happens. -Sujith realmadrid

This is not the FC Barcelona page, it is Pepe's page. HE APOLOGIZED, I even added the video of it, so HIS WORD is what we'll go on, not 'oh so reliable' The Guardian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sujith realmadrid (talk • contribs) 00:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Again, I am new to "talking" in Wikipedia, but I just think that if it comes out of the player's mouth, it is what should be on his page, not what the media tells people in whatever propaganda it is high on today.--Sujith realmadrid (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

@Sujith realmadrid - where have we been reported? And as you are new, I would like to make you aware that you cannot make legal threats or personal attacks, that we need reliable sources to verify information (especially about living people), and that we cannot introduce personal point-of-view into article. Please read those pages I have just linked to and learn how we operate here. GiantSnowman 09:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Vasco, I agree - we should assume good faith now, and the editor has indicated a willinghness to improve & co-operate. Let's leave it in the past & work together to improve articles! Cheers, GiantSnowman 16:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Pablo Infante

Pablo Infante lleva 7 goles y no 6 como dice Marca. No existe ninguna fuente fiable para los goleadores de la Copa del Rey. De hecho, llevo contándolos yo por mi cuenta desde hace 5 temporadas. Yo últimamente estoy muy ocupado y tengo la Wikipedia un poco abandonada, pero espero poder acutalizar las cosas pronto y seguir contribuyendo como antes. Lo dicho, si los cuentas tú mismo en el artículo son 7 goles. Qampunen (talk) 15:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

You Vasco Amaral !!!

Wikipedia and I can thank you for your contribution for your of Wikipedia correct football sources great footballing knowledge. However I can not understand the manner of you for which you have messaged me in regarding my conmen error, it is not appreciated as many of us around the globe wish you put out there fear shear knowledge and do not need you sarcastic comments regarding our mistakes to go with it.!!! So I recommended you for future reference, if you see a mistake you should just edit it and get on with it.!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.188.76 (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Fabio Coltorti

Hello from Australia!

I really had no issues with your edits made on this article however there are a couple of things that I want to discuss. Firstly, I do understand that in the prose you will list the club as FC Lausanne-Sport and that it will be compressed in the box but by compression it should be Lausanne-Sport, not simply Lausanne. You won't see boxes listing Blackburn Rovers as simply Blackburn. I know it doesn't count for much but this is a club I support and I take good care of the club's article as well as its players. As for the cap count listed for all his clubs, I use the statistics provided by the Swiss Football Federation at football.ch because I feel that it is a legitimate source for that information. Please let me know how you feel after reading this. Thanks. --Spartan008 (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I appreciate your understanding, it's just that there is more than one club in Lausanne. Glad we could have an amicable discussion. And yes, BananaFingers is really an asshole and I just try to avoid him. I'm convinced that he's either a 16 year-old know-it-all or an angry 30 year-old who still lives with his parents. We've had our clashes so I'm just trying to keep my distance. I'm guess you have too! Anyways, cheers and good editing. --Spartan008 (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Mauro Galvão

Hi Vasco, I've started a discussion at Talk:Mauro Galvão#Defaultsort which you might be interested in. Thanks, GiantSnowman 16:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Hola

Hola amigo Vasco,

Que pena por no contestarle antes, porque andaba "desconectado" de internet y descansando un poco. Le comento que la nueva ip propia de mi casa es 186.147.34.136 y desde diciembre pasado no tiene nada que ver con "el ninato" (ya no vivo ni siquiera cerca del mencionado), que sabotea tu pagina. La verdad me da pena por eso porque ese tipo de personas son las que dan mala fama a las personas de esta tierra. Lo unico que se me ocurre es que bloquees las cuentas ya conocidas del personaje y las ip que frecuentaba para ver si deja de cansar de una vez por todas, porque ya esta bastante aburrido el tema y como le digo, me da pena ajena por la pobreza mental del futuro de mi pais con esta gente y los papas que les patrocinan las vagabunderias y groserias.

Espero que el nino Dios y los reyes magos te hayan traido muchas cosas buenas para este nuevo ano, y que te vaya muy bien en todas tus actividades. Un abrazo y que tengas una gran semana. --Scoelho86 (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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Oriol Romeu

You were definitely right to remove that section - it was unreferenced and full of POV. Good work! GiantSnowman 15:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Revert any further instances you find and inform the editor in question as to why they are not appropriate. Cheers, GiantSnowman 15:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Oscar de Marcos

Hmmm. Raises interesting questions about the competence of the club doctor who presumably allowed him to continue. And how the hell could someone keep running about while worrying that the contents of the damaged item were going to fall out through the hole? Thanks for that... Struway2 (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Defaultsorts

In fairness, that diff wasn't changing it from 'Y, X' to 'X Y'. GiantSnowman 17:00, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Fernando Dinarte Santos Silva

Hi Vasco, yes I am indeed an admin - thanks for the congratulations! Have you ever read WP:IAR, which states that "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it" - I'd say that applies in this case. Try & find some reliable sources which state that he is known as just "Fernando". Thanks, GiantSnowman 09:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Nobody's dismissing external links - we'd just prefer in-line citations. GiantSnowman 19:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Vicente Lucas

Caro Vasco,

Porque é que reverteu a minha edição no artigo do Vicente Lucas? Eu apenas inseri informação pertinente. Para além disso a sua atitude foi incorrecta, eu não lhe faltei ao respeito mas o senhor fala como se fosse dono do artigo (e da Wikipedia). Voltei a inserir a informação, espero que não volte a reverter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 15:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Aparentemente não sou eu que não percebo como funciona a WP, já que não sou eu que falo como se fosse dono de tudo. Não vejo a necessidade de haver fontes de toda e qualquer frase que se insere, nesse caso seria um caos de links no artigo. Percebe? Para além disso para verificar a veracidade basta fazer uma simples pesquisa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 15:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

• Don't worry, I'm still the same old Snowy! I have had a quick look at the article. Cheers, GiantSnowman 15:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

O dito administrador não viu e removeu, o senhor é que lhe foi pedir para apagar. Tudo o que estava escrito é verdade e tenho isso tudo documentado (e já vi escrito algures também na internet). O problema é que atendendo a que isso se passou nos anos 60 é raro o jornal que escreve sobre isso e tirando esses casos apenas blogs o fazem (aparentemente fontes inválidas). E como tudo o que não está na internet é mentira é imediatamente apagado. Vou iniciar a pesquisa no meu arquivo pessoal, se isso servir claro. Até lá o "seu" artigo fica assim.

p.s. curiosamente o seu amigo marcou varias frases como a precisarem de referência mas só apagou as minhas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 15:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Pode começar a informar-se sobre o Sr. Vecente Lucas aqui: http://belematemorrer.blogspot.com/2007/09/o-grande-lucas-vicente-o-homem-que.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Aqui está uma citação para parte do artigo que foi apagado: http://www.record.xl.pt/jornal_oficial/exclusivos/interior.aspx?content_id=705430 Como vê é simples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 15:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Por fim, lei isto sff. Aqui estão citações para tudo o que foi apagado e apesar de ser um forum tratam-se de citações de fontes mais do que fidedignas. http://pfutebol.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=5441 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 16:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

As citações do forum são de livros, que por acaso até disponho. Se o jornal "A BOLA" e a "FPF" não são fontes fidedignas não sei quais serão. Para além de todas estas fontes disponho de mais livros e artigos que confirmam as minhas afirmações.

O que eu penso de si? É um jovem que não faz ideia do que fala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 16:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

• I've asked 79.168.128.211 to remain civil. GiantSnowman 16:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Por favor não retire o que escrevo do contexto, o senhor diz que eu o insulto e depois escreve pérolas como "Não tem amigos". Ao menos diga-me isso na cara, quer dizer na minha página. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 16:33, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Como já lhe disse nunca o insultei, se se sentiu insultado peço desculpa, mas já vi que não é a primeira vez que fala superiormente com alguém só porque não é um editor registado e depois se faz de vitima. Se precisar de mais textos esteja à vontade para pedir, a meu ver o forum é uma fonte credível por ser citação de um livro, mas se continuar a não querer usar eu posso procurar os livros em questão e enviar-lhe imagens dos artigos citados. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.128.211 (talk) 16:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Bom trabalho! Assim o artigo ficou muito melhor.

Martín Cáceres

I've added an 'invisible' note within the article itself explaining it's league stats only. GiantSnowman 09:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep on reverting - you're in the right - if it continues then try at WP:RFPP. GiantSnowman 16:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thiago Motta

Do you need the Financial Report and Accounts of Genoa and Inter to verify the transfer fee? I could send it to you. Matthew_hk tc 08:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Simão & Pedro Freitas

Yes, the Simão vandal appears to have stopped, if it continues then place a request at WP:AIV in case I'm offline. As for Pedro Freitas, I agree he doesn't look notable - take it to AfD I'd say. Cheers, GiantSnowman 09:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Instructions are at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#Nominating an article(s) for deletion, if you need any help let me know. GiantSnowman 19:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Not quite my friend - you have to create a whole new page - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro Miguel Sousa Freitas - which I have done on your behalf. Hope that's OK. GiantSnowman 21:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Jun19 & IP

If you believe they are the same, start a WP:SPI (where more expereinced admins, with more tools than I, can help) - cite WP:DUCK as your reason for bringing it about. Cheers, GiantSnowman 09:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Ivica Dragutinović

Not enough recent vandalism to justify protection, but I have sent them a warning for vandalism and will continue to monitor. GiantSnowman 09:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

RE: Joselu

Hello. Don't think that I invented those statistics. I found them in the old donbalon.com website (It has helped me to complete statistics of players like Sergio Ramos for example, and Copa del Rey matches of a bunch of players)... However, as that website has been offline since some months ago and other sites don't show the same data, those numbers don't have references. I'll change them now, ¡y háblame en español hombre! Saludos.–HD ^{Ask, comment, talk!} 20:51, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Che1563

I've left a note for him about WP:NPOV. Please let me know if you see it again. GiantSnowman 20:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Liassine Cadamuro-Bentaïba

Hi Vasco. First of all thanks for respecting my work, but if you disagree I have no problem with you editing it, as long as you justify your reasons. As for Cadamuro, what I meant by my edits is that he is not Spanish and this whole one name thing only applies to him during his time in Spain. In Sochaux, he was known by full his name and with Algeria he is known by his full name. The Algerian and French press refer to him by his full name as well, something they wouldn't do with say a Xavi and an Iniesta. So in his case, I prefer to use his full name rather than use his "Spanish name" (if I can call it that). I hope you understand the point I'm trying to get across. Also, when I made the edits and removed his football name, I did not realize I was reverting your work, so I apologize for that (I did not check the edit history). Take care and thanks for the message. TonyStarks (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Defaultsorts

Hi Vasco, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Defaultsorts. GiantSnowman 09:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

If he struggles with English then a message in Portuguese could be a great idea to try & encourage him to speak - if he responds negatively, insults or attacks you, don't retaliate, just let me know straight away. GiantSnowman 19:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Very good start indeed, well done! GiantSnowman 18:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

On the 'Renan Foguinho' example, I actually believe (shock!) his move was correct - 'Foguinho' is not a surname, it is part of his nickname. I believe the article should therefore, going off the WT:FOOTBALL discussion, moved to 'Renan Foguinho' - what do you think? GiantSnowman 09:34, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Giancarlo da Silva Moro

Very odd move, though I doubt it's multiple accounts. I have cleaned up the article in question as well. GiantSnowman 16:06, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Protection

Your userpage is indefinitely protected. The protection is semi-protection, which prevents anyone who isn't autoconfirmed (10 edits and an account at least four days old) from editing it. This particular user had 64 edits and an account that was six months old. Hut 8.5 11:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I could indefinitely full-protect your userpage, but that's hardly ever done with user pages of active users. Personally I would just ignore it, the vandalism level isn't that high. Hut 8.5 13:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I've full protected it for six months. I have your user page on my watchlist and I will try to remember to put the semi-protection back when the full protection expires. I'm recluctant to full protect it indefinitely and I can find hardly any cases of user pages that have been full-protected indefinitely in response to vandalism (and no recent ones). If you want to make an edit to your user page while it is protected feel free to ask me. Hut 8.5 19:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry Vasco, I have been busy in both real life & with other stuff on Wikipedia but should still have replied to you. So here goes:

• David Luiz - not enough recent vandalism to justify protection, sorry.
• User:Xxxx693 - has been given a final warning by Nuclear Warfare. If it happens again, let me know.

(User:Jun19 - very encouraging that he is responding to comments and trying to learn about how we operate, hopefully we can turn him into a great editor!

Anything else, let me know. Cheers, GiantSnowman 09:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

You've got nothing to apologise for, don't worry! GiantSnowman 15:36, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

190.84.79.135

I have blocked this user for 48 hours. GiantSnowman 15:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

We cannot indef IPs, unfortunately - and the other two are not active. GiantSnowman 15:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Xxxx693 has been issued a final warning, and if he vandalises your page / insults you again, he will be blocked. GiantSnowman 15:40, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Technical stuff

No problems, always here to help. Regarding IP addresses, I'm afraid I don't know. Regarding my e-mail, you can find it by clicking 'e-mail user' on the left-hand side of my user page. You need to change it by Wikipedia:Changing username, however. Cheers, GiantSnowman 21:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

No, you would need a bureaucrat to change your name. GiantSnowman 21:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I can help you, certainly, but cannot perform the actual task. However, I'm not sure changing your username will have any long-term effect, given that you edit on articles similar to your harrasser. GiantSnowman 21:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Have you considered WP:CLEANSTART? GiantSnowman 08:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

PS I'm already watching it, have been since I blocked the IP. GiantSnowman 08:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Good luck with the fresh start, see you around! GiantSnowman 15:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

"Sócio".

lol. então... garanto-te que aquele link é "reliable", e também acho que não há problema em meter como external link. o "sócio" apareceu em vários jogos, e um deles é o famoso Winning Eleven. até meti lá fotos e tudo. (...) e mudei a posição, porque acho que o seu site oficial deveria estar em "primeiro plano". :) abraços. --Hydao (talk) 01:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Santicallleja

Keep on trying to discuss it with him, even if he ignored you - it shows we tried to contact him in case it goes further down the line. GiantSnowman 08:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Peter Jehle

User welcomed & advised about sourcing BLPs. GiantSnowman 18:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Miguel Reina

Hi Vasco, I'm a little confused over your amendment to the Miguel Reina personal life section. The article for Reina Jr. was recently moved from José Manuel to Pepe on the basis of that being the subject's most common name in reliable English-language sources, per WP:COMMONNAME, so presumably it is most appropriate to refer to the article's new title when mentioning/linking him in other articles. It seems a little strange to refer to him as José Manuel (using his uncommonly-used first and middle names) when he is barely ever referred to by this name; as a random example, it would be akin to referring to Jamie Carragher as James Lee Duncan rather than just Jamie. But perhaps there's a Spanish naming convention I'm missing out on here. Anyway, just thought I'd bring this up with you. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Mamadou Djikiné

Moved over redirect for you. Thanks, GiantSnowman 10:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Felipe Mattioni

Why you removed all third parties ownership stuff. That had reliable source and in Portuguese, which said clearly Grêmio had sold the player in 2008. Milan actually borrowed him from the company and could be proved by the official transfer list? Please explain (if no explain i consider a edit war and see u at the admin notice board). Matthew_hk tc 02:01, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

If i am a reader, i would ask why in the second half of the content, Magasport appeared once (another one added by me). So, at least explained in the front, Grêmio had sold the rights to Maga in 2008 as stated by the club announcement.

For the infobox, you could treat the third parties ownership as a liquidity swap, which simply Grêmio received transfer fee early (and treat the loan was Grêmio grant the negotiation rights as bank interest). But in fact it could also treat likes Tevez, or Luis Fabiano, which neither Grêmio nor Milan nor Mallorca owned the full rights (both registration and eligibility to receive the transfer fee) Either one is ok but not so wise to put third parties ownership heavily on infobox. (So, if liquidity approach Ze Edu should on loan from Cruzeiro to Ajax and Parma. However lack of information for Filipe Luís Kasmirski, which Rentistas often a proxy for Juan Figer, just likes Hulk (footballer) deal)

P.S. Dídac Vilà joined Milan may be related to Mattioni, as Maga was set up by Italian. Nothing more legal than paid another club via player transfer. Mattioni was a total loss and the seller may refund. The other property Ze Edu joined Parma. Milan had deep friendship with Parma and Genoa recently, but it all a guess. It isn't a first time Italian club (or agent) set-up proxy club to buy players. Matthew_hk tc 02:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

And why the transfer fee of Pedro Alves da Silva is removed? Unimportant? Than the dead link tag? Everything point to edit war. Matthew_hk tc 11:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi there MATTHEWHK, VASCO here,

again, maybe i did not edit correctly, but again, you ACCUSE ME of something (now of edit-warring). About the MAGA thing, you have been told before by someone at WP:FOOTY (you can ask again), that organizations or agencies do not go in infoboxes (that is why i removed it in Mattioni's case), and MAGA is still referred to in storyline. In P.Silva's case, i did not notice i removed any transfer fee, if i did i apologize and i will fix it immediately.

Happy weekend (and again, please stop accusing me of things, i still remember when i was an anon editor four/five years ago and you accused me TWICE of vandalizing articles, in Bruno Vale and John Mosquera, you NEVER apologized!), from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

i had told you don't just simply reverting my edit.Preview what you remove. So, is that ok to add this [8] and this [9] back to article? Matthew_hk tc 13:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I have added one of the refs you sent me to Mattioni's article, the other i could not, it's dead. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

How about transfer fee, Pedro Silva fee seems negligible (less than half million euro), how about the fee of Radamel Falcao García and Simão Sabrosa i added recently, Is that ok? It had source to prove. Matthew_hk tc 14:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• As i had told you before, i APOLOGIZE for removing the ref in Silva's article, it's there again. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I forgot what i did in the past. But I should assume good faith on every wikipedian. I won't start edit war on old issue, just stick to the rule (the consent of footy and citation rule, no 3rr etc.) Is that ok? no war Matthew_hk tc 16:13, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

JOSH2MAN

Issue incremental warnings per WP:WARN, and if he continues after the final warning then log at WP:AIV - I'm having less & less time on here unfortunately. GiantSnowman 13:13, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

SPORTEC.ES

Es una lástima, hablaré con Víctor de BDFutbol a ver si puede hacer con los partidos internacionales de selección una cosa parecida a lo de SPORTEC.

Saludos Mega60 (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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Re:Martin Pringle

Hi, I just felt you had made the page less informative by reducing the intro, which would of led to a "Lead too short" tag being placed on the page. You had initially put that Pringle had his horrific injury at Charlton, I mentioned Grimsby. In fairness both were horrific and I was present at the Grimsby v Stockport when he broke his leg. I feel the intro I put is perfectly fine but what we need to be looking at on this page is expanding the rest of it, like adding chapters for each clubs and improving the article. For example Darren Huckerby is a player that had a "lead too short" tag that I worked on by expanding the intro enabling me to take away the tag, also like on that page we need to be looking at adding more to the page and breaking into chapters for each club. Regards Footballgy (talk) 13:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not working against you, if you want to modify it go for it, I just thought it was fine. The reason the amateur club are mentioned is because he still played in a Swedish league for that club and if they are notable enough to have there own page and are listed as his first career club then I see no reason not to mention them. Like I said Vasco if you want to re-write it again, be my guest. We just can't reduce it to the matter where a lead tag is placed on the page. My sole concern for that page is expanding the career and management section. Regards Footballgy (talk) 14:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Dominguez

Hello. You're right, there should be consistency in whether club names are piped or not in the prose. I'm sorry my changes were inconsistent. However, as this is the English Wikipedia, we should be consistent in using whatever the clubs are referred to in English. Which is Barcelona, Kaiserslautern, Benfica, Birmingham City, Tottenham Hotspur, Sporting (or Sporting CP), Bayer Leverkusen and Vasco da Gama. There shouldn't be a special rule that applies to articles about Spanish and Portuguese players whereby they use club names with full punctuation.

As to 1. FC Kaiserslautern in the infobox, I personally don't know one way or the other; I assumed that it had been added by an editor who did know, because it was needed to distinguish clubs. If it isn't, then take it out again. Incidentally, if you need the U.D. to distinguish that Leiria club from another, please add it; I wouldn't know.

As to the BLP sources tag, there are no references in the club career section until Spurs sell Mr Dominguez to Leverkusen, including for things that really need them like his falling out of favour with George Graham. Please feel free to seek a second opinion on any of this. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding German clubs - see WP:KARLSRUHER as to the rationale. GiantSnowman 19:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

First of all, piping should be uniform i.e. pipe in the infobox AND the text. Secondly, WP:KARLSRUHER says to use common sense - "If you do insist on using one-word names, or town names, please check that it's appropriate, and that no other club uses that name." Why not ask ArtVandelay13 (talk · contribs) for clarification? He wrote it, after all. Cheers, GiantSnowman 21:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Season ranges

One thing to remember is that WP:YEAR is not sport/football-specific, so I doubt any amendment could be made to allow for the closing year to be written out in short in the career statistics tables of footballers. Off topic, but in case it's of interest I've created Category:Portugal youth international footballers and have added it to a handful of articles. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 04:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

F.C. Porto player stats

Hello Vasco, do you know anywhere on the web that lists Porto players and the number of appearances for the club. I'm not just after current players but historical as well. I guess for current players I can use Footballzz but it seems you have to add them up manually for each season. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 09:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Cesar Rodriguez

Oi Vasco,

A questão sobre o "several years" na intro sobre o César Rodríguez Álvarez foi levantada aqui: [10]. (Eu sou o usuário hisham_hm lá e LodeRunner aqui). Troquei de "several years" para "57 years" pois para muitas pessoas "several years" dá a conotação de "vários" (como em 5, 6, 7), diminuindo a importância de um recorde de décadas (veja que a crítica ao "several" ali tem, nesse momento, 28 pontos no fórum). Para corrigir isso, troquei para "57 years". Concordo que não seja necessário citar o Messi no primeiro parágrafo, mas acho válido que se diga "57 years" e não apenas "several years" ali na introdução. Não quis editar lá direto pra não ficar no vai-e-vem de edições, achei melhor coordenar isso contigo (sou novato em interagir com outros usuários via Talk pages, espero estar fazendo isso direito!). Abraço do Brasil, --LodeRunner (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Márcio Ivanildo da Silva

It seems that in fact he played in Campo Limpo, but years could be wrong on foradejogo. Anyway I prefer foradejogo over zerozero and sambafoot, because both these websites are user-generated and info from there is partialy reliable, but there are many mistakes on foradejogo too.--Oleola (talk) 13:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Luigi Moure

Hola, Vasco! Gracias por el consejo. Tienes toda la razón. La verdad es que es una pena lo de que los jugadores de Segunda B contrastados no puedan tener artículo. Hay plantillas en Segunda B que pasan a ser históricas en los clubes que consiguen ascensos, y creo que esos jugadores merecen poder tener su artículo. En el caso de Luigi Moure pensaba ir completando la plantilla del ascenso del Hércules de la 2004/05. Pero en este caso, siempre habrá varios jugadores que nunca podrán aparecer, una pena, pero acato la norma. Un abrazo, amigo! El rayo que no cesa (talk) 16:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Kolins for the nth time

Annoying, but unfortunately that was before the RFC was closed. If you see any more recent edits, I will take it to discussion at ANI as I feel like I am 'involved' and so won't do the block myself. GiantSnowman 13:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Busquets

Hi Vasco - I have added the two Busquets players to my watchlist, and will monitor. As for BF, I have given him a final warning for civlity - he has been blocked before and there is no need for that kind of attutude. Hope you're well. GiantSnowman 12:47, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

• Right on. Drmies (talk) 02:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

CF Villareal

I cannot find any sources and the fact that it has the same name, logo & players means it is more than likely a hoax. I have tagged it as such but will allow another admin to delete it, as it's always nice to have a few eyes look at something. GiantSnowman 17:47, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Honours

It's definitely worth mentioning in the prose, but probably not as an 'honour' in that section - that's normally reserved for winners and runners-up. But if a reliable source says it's an honour, we go with that. GiantSnowman 17:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Creed & Steadyfingers

Hi Vasco. Re:Creed, you were right in reverting & warning. Let's see if he listens. As for Steadyfingers, he does seem to pass WP:DUCK but I don't have the time I'm afraid to launch a full investigation. Give it a day or two for FPS to return and if they don't we can have a look at dealing with it. Hope that helps, cheers, GiantSnowman 08:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The SPI looks fine to me, but I'm not very good with them to be honest, and if there's no response in a day or two from a clerk then let me know and I'll ask someone to take a look. Thanks, GiantSnowman 15:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I've posted at AN to get the SPO looked at. Oh, and please don't edit war! GiantSnowman 17:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at Category:SPI cases awaiting administration - there is quite a backlog. We'll just have to be patient. GiantSnowman 18:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Luis Enrique Martínez García. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Overlinking

This edit undid all of the removal of overlinking that I did. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:55, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hola! Yo desde la Primera Ronda de Copa con equipos de Tercera y Segunda B fue poniendo a los goleadores mirando las actas y a los artículos que se escribieron sobre los partidos. La mejor forma que tienes de comprobar los goles, no es mirando ningún periódico, sino en el propio artículo de Wikipedia contar los goles de Pablo Infante desde la Primera Ronda hasta Semifinales. Verás que son 7. Es posible que Marca se equivocase o no tuviese en cuenta los goles que se marcaron antes de que entrasen en acción los equipos de Primera División en Dieciseisvos de Final. Pero te puedo asegurar que son 7 jeje. Muchas gracias y buen trabajo, compañero :) Qampunen (talk) 22:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

2011–12 Primeira Liga

Dear Vasco,

I recently emailed emailed SJPF, regarding there player and young player of the month awards as on the page there is no awards for January 2012. They sent me a reply of the players who won the player and young player of the month for January 2012. But the problem is that I can't reference the Monthly awards section without a reference.

User talk:Alexgreene87 17:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Vídeo

Pues sí. La verdad es que es verdaderamente vergonzoso. No soy simpatizante ni de Real Madrid ni del Barcelona, pero es realmente lamentable lo de este señor. Por cierto, mi gran debilidad es mi Málaga ;) Qampunen (talk) 21:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Muchas gracias! La verdad es que es todo muy ilusionante :) Qampunen (talk) 09:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Pack these for on the road. Happy trails, Vasco! Drmies (talk) 18:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Retirement

Good luck Vasco, like I said over at WP:FOOTY, you know where to find me by e-mail, and should you ever want to come back, feel free! GiantSnowman 19:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Userpage

I've replaced your userpage with {{retired}}, it is possible for me to delete the page completely - let me know if you want this. Best of luck for the future. Hut 8.5 18:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted your userpage and salted it to prevent it being created by vandals. If you do ever decide to return this can easily be undone. Hut 8.5 10:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Dennis Schiller

Olá Vasco, tudo bem? Quando puderes dá uma vista de olhos neste artigo criado há muitos meses atrás. Alguém adicionou o "No footnotes". Anyway, na altura criei o artigo do jogador pelo facto dele aparecer no álbum de cromos Italia 90: Foto 1, Foto 2. A cena que escrevi no "Football career" foi fruto de muita pesquisa no Google (apesar de não haver assim muita informação. talvez haja em sites noruegueses, who knows). E talvez crie a página do irmão, que achas? Thanks. Abraço. --Hydao (talk) 01:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, não há muito a dizer a não ser: Boa sorte! Relaxa uma beka, pode ser que daqui a alguns meses voltes revigorado. :) --Hydao (talk) 02:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Despedida

Amigo, nem sei o que dizer. Fiquei imensamente triste com tua decisão. Porém, te entendo. Se tomou essa atitude, sabe que isso será melhor pra ti. Sei quão estressante é as vezes o WP. Nós sempre buscamos fazer as coisas certas, mas há muito vandalismo de fato. Como já deve ter reparado, esse ano não estou entrando em polêmicas. E, até pelos meus afazeres diários, tenho entrado muito pouco aqui. De toda forma, te desejo muitas felicidades e alegrias. E meus sinceros pedidos de desculpas por algo que tenha feito. E muito obrigado por toda a ajuda e suporte nesses anos. Felicidades! E caso resolva voltar aqui um tempo, será muito bem-vindo. Abraço, amigo.

Isso, descanse um pouco, relaxe e depois retorne... quem sabe passe menos tempo aqui, de forma que seja apenas um hobby. Felicidades!

--Raulseixas (talk) 12:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Bruno corinthiano

Hi Vasco,

I wasn't sure that 177.0.204.119 is an incarnation of this user, but I already hat an uneasy feeling. I will try to keep an eye on him. --Jaellee (talk) 21:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

RE: Freddy

Hey Vasco, Two things. Firstly, I get that his footballing name's is freddy but that would be something to note in the article but in infoboxes we usually say the person's full name. Secondly, yes I didn't want to use that sumary which is why I was hesitant about pressing revert but I was in a vandal fighting program and the only summary it uses is vandalism otherwise I would have removed it as a good faith edit. I hope you understand. Best, --Kangaroopowah 01:53, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem

Your computer cannot be harmed by posting anywhere on Wikipedia, so there's nothing to worry about. I don't know anything about the other poster and the behavior seems different -- perhaps another 'victim' of the IP range. Softlavender (talk) 03:23, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Ok, I understand your reasons, and thank you for including de catalan way in your article. However, maybe I haven't explained myself correctly because of my limited english knowledge. Basora hadn't a spanish name, despite what the official sites said. He's name was "spanished", maybe because of franquism, like most of the catalan names of that time -some people still have their name in spanish in some documents because of that period-. Anyway, I'm telling you this because as any person, he had a name in one way, and that was Estanislau, like Puyol is named Carles and not Carlos, or Fàbregas is named Cesc, not Paco. Of course, I'll understand if you aren't agree with me.

Thank you again for your answer, Vasco. freecatalonia46 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freecatalonia46 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Connor Lade

Hello Vasco, in December I created a page for Connor Lade who signed with New York Red Bulls, the page was deleted as he had not made his pro debut. This weekend he debuted in the US top flight, the person who deleted the page is no longer on wikipedia, How can i restore the page? Thanks

User:Elop76 —Preceding undated comment added 14:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC).

Userpage

OK, done. Hut 8.5 17:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Anorthosis Famagusta stuff -- Jurgen Colin

Hi vasco

ok no problem and thank you for the edit =D

ChrisAnorthosis (talk) --CG10 18:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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About Vandalism

Hi. I was that guy from Brazil about the Spanish internacional caps. That's all right, my point is that the article where I saw that information had changed players and I presumed it was correct, so I've also edited Oscar García to Téllez and the "right" Sergio on that page 187.127.90.220 (talk) 00:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Having fun

Hi Vasco, just thought I would write to you about a new project I started at Wikipedia. I made a list of players from a team I am interested in (you can see it here), then started to improve these articles specifically. It is quite enjoyable and I am sending some of them for DYK so there is extra publicity for the articles in question. No worries from vandals, no other concerns, just improving the coverage. If you are interested I could help you set up something similar, which may help you have more fun here. It's definitely an improvement for me! Regards Cloudz679 19:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

about the Simão Sabrosa article

Hello VascoAmaral, I realised that you've reverted my edit for the article Simão Sabrosa, I don't quite understand your reason of reverting it (Fine as it was thank you.). I do have to clarify that the edit as in a good faith and no vandalism has been done. I'm going to revert the edit and if you are in any chance, not satisfied with the sentence, we can have a discussion in the talk page of Simão Sabrosa. Thank you for your understanding. Yours faithfully, Kotakkasut. 14:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello Vasco! The reason why I've used the word 'mononymous' is because he is well known by a single name, or mononym. In comparison, footballers such as Cristiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney are only known by their full name. Some other notable people who are known with one name, i.e. mononyms include, but not limited to: Beyonce, Rihanna, Shakira, Thalia and Asin. I hope these pages will enlighten you since you've mentioned that you have never seen an example of the word 'mononymous' in Wikipedia articles. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is a project that everyone can contribute into as this is a community encyclopaedia as long as it is editing in good faith.

Nah it's okay, no harm done :) I apologise if I was harsh to you... Yours faithfully, Kotakkasut. 04:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

your recent edits

Please refrain from pointless personal attacks like in these edits [11] [12] in the future. There is nothing wrong with linking to redirects, and there is also nothing wrong in linking unclear terms ("first division" and "league" could easily be different things). I don't really care to revert the change about twin brothers, but IMO that's anything but lead section material. People who have done something notable in their own right should not be defined by what their siblings did. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Aceitón and Parejo

Hi Vasco. In terms of WP:NFOOTBALL it does nothing to assert notability; I think it would require a very lenient interpretation of criterion 1 to deem beach soccer players to have "represented their country in any officially sanctioned senior international competition". Further, the article currently fails WP:GNG as there is no "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". And with Parejo and the 'loan' tag in the career stats, I see where you're coming from, but it makes sense to me for the infobox and career stats to be somewhat analogous, sharing the same key info. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 14:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Arruti

Vasco, why do you find it so difficult to understand that everything should be cited (refs), with external links to be used for additional information of use for the reader. Please cite everything in that article. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 17:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Rayo

Hola, Vasco. Han propuesto eliminar artículos importantes de jugadores. Uno, como el célebre y promesa del fútbol ruso Denis Cheryshev. Otro como Antonio Aceitón. --El rayo que no cesa (talk) 07:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Hola de nuevo, amigo Vasco. Acabo de recibir avisos de que artículos que creé como los internacionales en categorías inferiores como Aitor Antoñana y Adrián Murcia han sido propuestos para su eliminación. ¿Qué está pasando con los criterios que habíamos asentado en el tema fútbol? :( El rayo que no cesa (talk) 07:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Por cierto, considero un absoluto error eliminar Denis Cheryshev. Se trata de unos de los futbolistas más famosos actualmente en Rusia. Su debut con el primer equipo hasta es posible que se produzca en esta misma temporada si el Madrid consigue La Liga antes de finalizarla. Sobre Antonio Aceitón me parece de poco tacto tener tan poca consideración al beach soccer. Con ese criterio se tendría que eliminar Ramiro Figueiras Amarelle, el jugador más laureado de este deporte y toda una referencia en España. Saludos. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 07:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Hola, Vasco. Habéis acordado crear la categoría "Segunda División"? Me gustaría pedirte que en mi nombre (ya que no controlo bien el inglés) propongas a los Dioses de Wikipedia, los que deliberan el bien y el mal, que las internacionalidades en categorías inferiores sean motivo de artículo en la WP. Un internacional U17, U18, U19, U20 en adelante, creo que es muy relevante, quizá menos un U15 o U16, pero te emplazo a luchar por esta cuestión. Por favor. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 17:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Por cierto, otra cuestión, Antonio Aceitón jugó en Segunda noruega en el Bryne FK. Jugar en Segunda española es relevante y jugar en Segunda noruega no lo es (?). El rayo que no cesa (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Hola, Vasco. Solicito la reapertura del artículo Denis Cheryshev tras el ascenso del Castilla a Segunda ya que el jugador es nuevo futbolista de Segunda división. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Raimundo Pérez Lezama and José Bañón

Hi Vasco - good to have you back here after your brief self-imposed exile. I have edited the Lezama article to add a bit more on his short international career; incidentally the match was won by Portugal 4–1, rather than the other way round as the article originally stated. My reason for contacting you, however, is about the keeper he replaced, José Bañón. Do you know anything about this guy? Presumably he was a goalkeeper, as he won the Zamora Trophy, but there is nothing in his article to confirm this. The article says he scored ten times for Real Madrid - unlikely for a keeper unless he was a penalty taker. The List of Real Madrid C.F. players has him as a keeper with 159 appearances, zero goals. Spanish Wikipedia shows him as a "Portero" which I believe translates as a midfielder. There also appears to be confusion over his international career. The Spanish article says he was called up 11 times but only made one international appearance (in the match where he was substituted by Lezama), so presumably he just sat on the bench; in the English article, this has become "He played 11 matches for Spain". Are you able to re-improve the José Bañón article? Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:31, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Great work on the improvements to the Jose Banon article - well done! Thanks. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Júlio Regufe Alves

Hi Vasco, I agree with Chris that there's nothing that merits admin intervention just yet, but I've added the article to my watchlist and will monitor. Hope that helps a bit. GiantSnowman 17:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

When you revert/rollback make sure you WP:WARN as well, you can use the automated templates without having to let your temper get the better of you. GiantSnowman 18:59, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Vandals

Hi Vasco, both users warned - the Greek IP a final warning, the Brazilian a level 3 - for continued removal of valid and referenced content. If it happens again, let me know, or try at WP:AIV if I'm not around. GiantSnowman 07:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Categories

Thanks for adding those categories, was surprised when I saw the Segunda División one hadn't yet been created. Not sure I agree with you on the Segunda División B category. Competing in this league is not an indication of notability for players (going by WP:NFOOTBALL), but I don't think that means there shouldn't be a category for it. If the potential is there for it to be well populated I don't see any issue. For instance, Category:Football Conference players and Category:Northern Premier League players exist and are healthily populated despite not being fully pro leagues. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Ángel Martínez

Hi Vasco. Hope you don't mind if I bring a couple of things up with you about your edit on the Ángel article? There are just a few words you have used that are not correct in English. For instance, "surplus at requirements" should be "to requirements", also "the deal collapsed" is correct whereas "the deal fell off" that you also re-instated is not. There are a couple of others too and I hope you will not mind that I change them back to how I had amended them previously so that the wording is correct in English. Thanks and best wishes, (edited to add: sorry, just some of the terminology you are using is presumably correct in Portugese. However, unfortunately it isn't so in English.) --♦Tangerines♦·Talk 19:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Oakley77

I've left a note on the user's page, please let me know if anything else happens again. Regards, GiantSnowman 08:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Pablo Contreras

Hi Vasco - I'll watch it, nothing else to do for now I'm afraid. GiantSnowman 18:19, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Length is fine, the language needs a bit of tidying up - I'll remove POV etc. GiantSnowman 20:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

111.68.125.18

User reverted and warned, if it continues to happen let me know and I'll escalate the warnings; once that happens and he continues, I'll block. GiantSnowman 15:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

AFD/CFD

Julio Engonga - he played for Levante didn't he, is that not enough for NFOOTBALL? and do the sources not meet GNG? Regarding the Cadiz cats, take one to WP:CFD maybe? GiantSnowman 11:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, I will take to AFD. GiantSnowman 11:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, my apologies - yes, CfD is still the correct place, you can propose renames as opposed. It is Wikipedia:Categories for discussion as opposed to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. GiantSnowman 12:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Names of footballers

Greetings. What exactly do you mean on Jacobo Sanz Ovejero by "footballers have a different approach to them"? Is there some kind of consensus against using the "last name, first name" format? In fact, the name sorting guidelines require a "last name, first name" order even at Spanish names. In any case, the "NAME" parameter should have "Jacobo" in it and "ALTERNATIVE NAME" "Sanz Ovejero, Jacobo" (they are actually vice-versa now). Cheers. – Kosm1fent 12:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I understood your point when I clicked on Category:Asteras Tripoli F.C. players and he wasn't at the place I expected him to be. I've reverted the sort key to "Jacobo Sanz Ovejero". Cheers. – Kosm1fent 13:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

IP

Hi Vasco. I've had a quick look at recent contribs and they are fine. If you find any that are vandalism, then please WP:WARN then report at WP:AIV (or to me if I'm about!); if you belueve it is an IP of a blocked user then use WP:SPI. Thanks, GiantSnowman 21:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

It was yes. But you have to warn, or else any admin is not going to action. GiantSnowman 21:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Conteras

I am going on holiday tomorrow so won't have access to Wikipedia or e-mails - you HAVE to attempt to engage him on both his talk page and the article talk page. If he continues to edit against WP:FOOTY consensus i.e. non-league stats in the infobox, try WP:FOOTY or WP:AIV. GiantSnowman 09:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Suso Santana

Never been contacted over such an old edit, anyway seems you are correct, I was misinformed by playerhistory. Anyway thanks for correcting it at least the San Cristóbal de La Laguna category I added was still valid. Good job creating & populating the Segunda División category was going to create it myself was shocked it didn't already exist but you beat me to it. Might want to tone down your edit summaries in frustration at IPs don't want to see you get in trouble. Happy editing. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:40, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed the edits were distruptive & removal of sourced content is considered vandalism if done repeatedly, I wasn't disagreeing with you. But edit summaries aren't the best way to express how you feel. I have it up to my eyes with a disruptive IP who is using dynamic IP's to evade his block, already brought him to ANI & has since falsely accused me of slander, racism amongst other things & I haven't said a bad word about the IP, you cant win. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Bruno corinthiano

Please feel welcome to let me know if you see what looks like this user on other IP addresses. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Theodore144

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Antony1821. Just saying. :) Cheers! – Kosm1fent 21:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

And he's banned. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 16:36, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Refs and links

Hello Vasco. Give us a chance to respond! I don't know why you don't cite all facts, given that you recognise it's policy, although perhaps you're getting better? Have a look at some recent new articles created by respected footy editors, and you'll see they're fully cited, and don't just rely on external links, so a reader can see the exact cite - see these articles by JoGurney, GiantSnowman, Struway and WFC. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

No comments on the content I made in my reply? Eldumpo (talk) 19:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the Ufarte article is not bad re cites, although the last para of club career needs citing, as does Intl' goals and Honours. Eldumpo (talk) 21:06, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

That's all that is needed is to cite all facts and then there can be no arguments. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Carlos López de Lerma / Julián López de Lerma

No son hermanos, uno es López de Lerma de primer apellido y el otro es de segundo apellido.

Saludos. Mega60 (talk) 17:59, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Zoran Vujović (and brother)

Sure, it's okay now. FPR Yugoslavia is the acronym for the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia, which was socialist Yugoslavia's name between 1945 and 1963. The reason why we put the Yugoslav republics inside "country of birth" infobox parameters in biographies is that the republics were still each a country inside the Yugoslav state.

The situation is somewhat delicate because of scores of anonymous vandalism that happens for a multitude of reasons: Yugoslavia has long dissolved and many players weren't locally known as "Yugoslav" players, so it often happens that these country parameters get shifted randomly between the republic and state names as the random vandal prefers. The fact that infoboxes tend to put inconsequential information such as birth places in prominent places in articles doesn't help - they often serve little purpose but attract such vandalism.

So the solution is a compromise - put both country and state name, as precise as possible (that's why we use the FPR prefix for the 1945-1963 period etc), so we have a consistency that will hopefully deter vandalism. My thinking is that when people see disorder, they don't have many second thoughts about messing it up in another subtle way; when they see an intricate order, they might be wary. Ultimately even if they do decide to mess it up, it's that much easier to detect and revert for everyone when they see a precise version vs. some anonymous tripe. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

(talk-page stalker) @Joy, sorry to come into this, but I have Vasco´s talk page in my watchlist so ended up being inevitable. Sorry to say but your interpretation of Yugoslav republics being a country is polemical, at least. Also, there is an actual consensus to use city+country (sovereign, of curse) in the infoboxes, and to use everything else in the article body. All editors supported this, while it was me who proposed using republics in between, however the proposal was rejected. Sorry Joy, but the solution you propose goes against the eastablished consensus. I would not mind at all opening a new thread on this, however in the meantime I am not sure if doing it the other way around would be benefitial. FkpCascais (talk) 07:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Polemical according to whom? Where was the proposal rejected exactly? I remember no such discussion, maybe I missed it. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:30, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I never heard of Yugoslav Republics being ever considered a country, but even so, you know very well that the word country in this context meant sovereign country, so by either way we end up having the same. The discussion occured some time ago (year and a half maybe?) at WikiProject Football. Among Croatian editors Timbouctou was present and he also voted against, and among others, one of his reasons was the lenght of the "country" SR Bosnia and Herzegovina which will make it too large for infobox use: exemple Mostar, SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SFR Yugoslavia...

Btw Joy, the ammount of vandalism has been minimal in the last year, even the Kosovar Albanian articles have been quite stable about the birthplace (seems that even they accepted it as they were the most vandalistic ones during 2-3 years ago) so not much of a major reason anymore.

Listen, I honestly wouldn´t mind that we have a new discussion, a new consensus if necessary, and I really don´t have such a strong view on this and I have been allways using the Yugoslav Republics, pardon, "countries" (OK, I promise to stop with this) in the article body, I just feel more confortable if we work same way, and not ones doing it one way, other in another. PS: I will try somehow to find you the discussion, but it was really long time ago and the archives are huge. FkpCascais (talk) 01:51, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, seems that American biographies often use their interin state in between (either in a shortened format as in Will John or extended, as in Jeff Cassar). Hey, here comes a good argument for your case. But some countries don´t, so we should built a consensus on this. FkpCascais (talk) 02:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Racing de Santander

Hola Vasco,

Entiendo que quieras trabajo en equipo, yo soy el primero que quiero que haya un consenso y se entiendan las razones con peso del otro más que de querer imponer el propio como el único.

Mejor cambia eso cuando se termine la Segunda División definitivamente con la final del play-off, pues aun estará la corriente en juego, esto es el 17 de junio. Entiendo que si toda la temporada ha finalizado ya se pueda poner como si lo de la próxima temporada es de la actual, puesto que del 18 al 30 de junio es tontería mantener esos datos de algo ya terminado como es la temporada actual.

Mi nick viene del catalán "tot futbol", en castellano "todo fútbol"

Buena semana desde Tarragona - --tot-futbol (talk) 00:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Gràcies por hablarme del Gimnàstic de Tarragona, la verdad que este junto con el Reus Deportiu les deseo lo mejor, lástima que nadie les da apoyo, todos estan con el Barça como si fuese lo único que hay. Yo quiero que gane, pero siempre da decepciones. Entre los grandes, soy aficionado del Valencia CF. Salutacions! :-) --tot-futbol (talk) 00:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Removing sourced information

Perhaps you might explain this edit, in which you removed valid sourced information about the subject's latest employment without mentioning or explaining that removal in your edit summary, instead used your edit summary to insult the editor who added that information, and marked the whole as a minor edit. Struway2 (talk) 09:54, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

If you don't enjoy editing here anymore, then you might be wise to stop for a bit, and maybe you can come back with more positive feelings. But while you are here, please don't remove valid sourced information for no apparent reason, and consider changing your settings to not mark everything as a minor edit. If an edit changes any content, as opposed to formatting, grammar, or reverting blatant vandalism, it isn't minor by definition: see When to mark an edit as a minor edit. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Since you ask, no, changing stats isn't minor, because it's changing content. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Júlio Regufe Alves

Yes sometimes it's hard not to react angrily, but it has to be done I'm afraid. GiantSnowman 19:12, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: I can complain too

Well if there is no consensus like you said, you shouldn't remove it, plain and simple. If a fellow editor feels like its a useful addition without it violating any policy, why would you remove it? Yes, most of us can count to 2-3, but some people might not want to bother and may just want to read the total .. and also, I did not call you a "bigot loner" or say anything even closely related to that, so let's not even get started with those kinds of comments please, I've always respected you, whether in edit summaries, your talk page or the WP:FOOTY discussion and I would never ever use those kinds of words. Also, I have no problem with you complaining, I know we are all trying to achieve the same goal in improving articles on Wikipedia. However, you really need to tone down your edit summaries, you use a very condescending tone, whether you mean it or not. When you use that kind of tone, don't be surprised when people get annoyed and use the same tone back at you. Take care. TonyStarks (talk) 23:37, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

It's all good Vasco, take care of yourself as well. TonyStarks (talk) 00:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Israel Izquierdo

Much obliged, I've tagged as PROD - any more you find, please let me know. Cheers, GiantSnowman 07:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

It is very unfair! Israel Izquierdo played a U20 World Campionship!! I get discouraged. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 08:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:El rayo que no cesa. GiantSnowman 08:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm about to tag the other two with PRODs as well. GiantSnowman 17:40, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hassan Nader

More refs are always better :P - but good work, as always. Have a good one, GiantSnowman 14:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Miguel Llera

You were right to remove it, far too much details, I've also added it to my watchlist in case you are reverted. Thanks, GiantSnowman 16:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Spanish PRODs

Cheers Vasco, I have tagged them! GiantSnowman 17:43, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Rupert1904

Hi Vasco, this user is really quite troublesome. He answered me on my talk page archives where I didn't see it immediately. I have no idea why he didn't use my talk page. He seems to believe that it is necessary to include every goal in a player's article and I'm afraid that I could not really convince him otherwise. --Jaellee (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

B teams - not just Real Madrid Castilla

Hello. Sorry, I thought that using RM Castilla was correct because that was what Madrid wanted. There was a statement about it when they received approval returning to the Castilla name. When I find the article, I will post it. Anyways, it seems that no one cares or at least none of the senior editors do not seem to worry so I will leave them alone. An arguement can be used that Plus Ultra & Castilla should be changed. You are the second person who has mentioned some riff between José Mourinho and Alberto Toril. I really do not know, but Mourinho does not run the youth section so he should have no say in the matter. Unless he wants Manolo Díaz from Real Madrid C, I will not worry about it. I do not think Pedro Mendes is such good player; anyone who can not see that Dani Carvajal belongs on the 1st team, should not be making any decisions for the reserves!! Good hearing from you! Raul17 (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Makeover of Portuguese football

Hi there

You may have noticed that I am seeking to undertake a makeover of Portuguese football on Wikipedia. It will not happen over night and involves a lot of work. There are three issues that I would like to address concerning page titles of articles and wondered whether you are supportive:

1. We use the full club name e.g. Clube de Futebol União de Lamas and not the abbreviated version C.F. União de Lamas. However abbreviated versions of the name will be linked to the article.

2. In the season articles we use the Portuguese name e.g. 2011–12 Segunda Divisão and not 2011–12 Portuguese Second Division.

3. In the District Football Associations we use the Portuguese name e.g. Associação de Futebol de Aveiro and not Aveiro Football Association.

We can then place the change to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football as we do not currently have a Task Group.

It would also be helpful if you can advise on the criteria you use for the inclusion of Notable former players in club articles.

Kind regards League Octopus (League Octopus 10:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)).

NB: Sent to Secretaria and Vasco Amaral. Are there any other prime editors covering Portuguese football?

(talk page stalker) It would be a good idea to present these proposed changes at WT:FOOTY before you make them, given the number of articles that will be affected. GiantSnowman 11:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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