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Draft review
Dear Lee, I have created a draft article after much hard work on the 'Battle of Lusail' Could you please review it? and offer any suggestions, ideas etc.? Thank you, Shardul HyperionLEO (talk) 06:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Draft:Battle of Lusail
- here is the link to the article HyperionLEO (talk) 06:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see how this is suitably notable. I'm usually against creating articles for individual matches. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- i suggest you take a look at the articles on battle of Nuremberg, battle of old trafford etc. these games were highly notable events, due to the acrimony involved, as well as the high amount of yellow cards.
- furthermore, there's this:
- https://twitter.com/OptaAnalyst/status/1601336811627769856?s=20&t=e7VF-pnW1qTqu649avqSDw
- it was a highly notable game and deserves an article. HyperionLEO (talk) 11:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- You have asked me for a favour to look at your draft, which I have done. I think the bar has to be quite high as to why we need an article on a specific match. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Dear Lee,
- lemme list the reasons down why the match was notable
- 1. it's a world cup knockout game
- 2. it was a highly acrimonious game which featured a massive brawl
- 3. It featured a record number of yellow cards
- 4. It was a classic, seeing how netherlands fought back from 2-0 to equalize in the last minute.
- 5 it quite easily matches the rather arbitrary 'high bar' for articles on specific matches. games like Italy v Brazil (1982 FIFA World Cup) have articles on them as well
- 6. reputable media sources have also used basic logic, seen that the battle of nuremburg has an article for its own, and decided to nominate the battle of lusail.
- 7. several news sources have called it the battle of lusail.
- the argument that it doesn't meet the 'high bar' doesn't work in my opinion, because the match quite clearly passes all those qualifiers. do you have any issue with the sources? with the content of the article itself? HyperionLEO (talk) 12:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- https://twitter.com/OptaAnalyst/status/1601338676658655232?s=20&t=e7VF-pnW1qTqu649avqSDw
- please check this link out as well HyperionLEO (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Put the article through WP:AfC. The fact it is a World Cup match means very little, as the info should go in the article about that event. It may have been a good match, but we are looking for sources that talk about the match beyond the tournament itself. You'd probably need WP:LASTING appeal, which is pretty hard to gain immediately after a match. Most refs will be WP:ROUTINE in the context that World Cup matches get a lot of attention. Outside of... Say, the 1-0 win for the USA against England in 1950, the 7-1 between Brazil and Germany and the individual finals, I don't think many matches are suitably independently notable from the tournaments they were in. If the article had been in mainspace, I'd consider AfDing for this reason. However, you might have more luck if you floated this at WP:FOOTY. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- cool, thanks for the advice HyperionLEO (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- but what about games like the battle of nuremburg, battle of bramall lane, pizza gate etc? knockout stage games have considerably more importance than group stage games so games like 5-1 spain netherlands, while very famous, aren't given the same importance as games like the battle of lusail or nuremburg. that essentially eliminates most group stage games except upsets like the usa-england 1-0 or saudi arabia argentina 2022. HyperionLEO (talk) 13:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Put the article through WP:AfC. The fact it is a World Cup match means very little, as the info should go in the article about that event. It may have been a good match, but we are looking for sources that talk about the match beyond the tournament itself. You'd probably need WP:LASTING appeal, which is pretty hard to gain immediately after a match. Most refs will be WP:ROUTINE in the context that World Cup matches get a lot of attention. Outside of... Say, the 1-0 win for the USA against England in 1950, the 7-1 between Brazil and Germany and the individual finals, I don't think many matches are suitably independently notable from the tournaments they were in. If the article had been in mainspace, I'd consider AfDing for this reason. However, you might have more luck if you floated this at WP:FOOTY. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- You have asked me for a favour to look at your draft, which I have done. I think the bar has to be quite high as to why we need an article on a specific match. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see how this is suitably notable. I'm usually against creating articles for individual matches. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- the other event in Nuremberg is only possibly notable because it holds the record for yellow and red cards. I wouldn't be against deleting it, as it's only a statistical anomaly. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- lee, the event in lusail is now notable because it now holds the record for most cards/yellow cards. HyperionLEO (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Suit yourself. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
2021 Masters (snooker) scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the 2021 Masters (snooker) article has been scheduled as today's featured article for January 10, 2023, the anniversary of the start of the tournament. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page blurb, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 10 2023, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so. If you wish to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article, you can do so at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/January 2023.
I suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
FIFA World Cup Final/final
Hi Lee
I've just noticed the discussion at Talk:2022_FIFA_World_Cup_Final#Requested_move_3_December_2022, which I hadn't registered at the time it was on. It looks like a case where the numbers suggested a majority against, but per WP:NOTAVOTE the closer should have considered the evidence a bit more, and I'm not very convinced by the pile-on opposes by several members of the FOOTY WikiProject. There's now been a fresh RM opened at Talk:1930 FIFA World Cup Final covering all of the finals, by Stevie fae Scotland, who was also unaware of the prior RM... I'm not sure if it's correct to continue that one, or if we should be asking the closer of the original RM to relist it or reconsider their close. Muddies the waters a bit. As you noted, it would be really nice to have it at the correct capitalisation by the time of the final on Sunday, but may be a tall order at this stage. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- It's the attack of the WP:ILIKEIT, which seems to be quite common at the moment Amakuru. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me Amakuru. I would have supported the proposal from 3 December if I'd been aware, it's just one of those things when there are a million and one discussions going on. I wouldn't have proposed this one had I known either. I feel policy is more in our favour but COMMONNAME is a fair cop for those opposed to the change if it is more commonly capped up than not. We'll see what happens and no doubt it will lead to countless other discussion as we could end up with two precedents (a men's world championship being a proper noun and women's continental one being a normal noun could lead to quite the can of worms). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Stevie fae Scotland: well that's just it though. It isn't more commonly capped, at least according to the sources I've seen. And in general, WP:COMMONNAME doesn't extend to capitalisation discussions anyway, the wording at MOS:CAPS is the accepted standard, which is a much higher bar for deciding to capitalise than merely being a simple majority. I raised this a long time ago at one of TRM's play-off final GAs and always planned to follow up and try to get most of these moved, but never got around to it. Hopefully now we can start building some momentum around some large-scale moves. WP:CONSISTENCY is a nice thing to have, but it can still be maintained if you move everything just as well as moving nothing. — Amakuru (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me Amakuru. I would have supported the proposal from 3 December if I'd been aware, it's just one of those things when there are a million and one discussions going on. I wouldn't have proposed this one had I known either. I feel policy is more in our favour but COMMONNAME is a fair cop for those opposed to the change if it is more commonly capped up than not. We'll see what happens and no doubt it will lead to countless other discussion as we could end up with two precedents (a men's world championship being a proper noun and women's continental one being a normal noun could lead to quite the can of worms). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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- I have replied, looking into it. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
TFA
At the moment I have three of your articles scheduled for January, 2021 Masters (snooker) ⋅on 10, Cliff Thorburn on 16 and 2020 Masters (snooker) on 19. I think it's very likely that the first will have to go, but I'll leave it for now until i find a replacement. Nobody appears to have noticed yet... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jimfbleak, thanks for letting me know, and, although I'm flattered I got thought of, only two of these are my articles (I didn't contribute almost at all to Cliff Thorburn). I can't say I mind about TFA, the only one I generally run myself is the previous years World Championship on the date of the final, which I've done since 2019 (I'm planning on running 2022 World Snooker Championship on 1 May this year). Anything else can be moved around as far as I mind, so precedence should go to Cliff Thorburn, who I know BennyOnTheLoose wants to run that date. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Fine, apologies for the misattribution of Thorburn Jimfbleak - talk to me? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- No drama. I am usually the guilty party. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Fine, apologies for the misattribution of Thorburn Jimfbleak - talk to me? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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As i predicted, I've had to pull the 2021 Masters from this Jan's TFA, sorry, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:44, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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