Talk:New York City

Invitation

There is a move discussion at Talk:New York (state). Toadette ^{(Let's discuss together!)} 21:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Infobox images suggestion

Hello, I think it's time to discuss the infobox images once again. The first thing to be aware of is that we can't put any sights of NYC in that infobox, that's for sure. I suggest to replace the current image of the Unisphere with File:Unisphere-2 (27835155267).jpg which has higher technical quality and better depicts the Unisphere. Furthermore, we could remove the current image of the Bronx Zoo and replace it with the previous image of Grand Central Terminal, but maybe at another position. Another option is to remove both the image of the Bronx Zoo and the image of the Verrazzano Bridge without replacement – both of which are, according to page view statistics, relatively 'irrelevant' and therefore redundant compared to internationally known places like the Empire State Building, Statue of Liberty, or Times Square. Let me know what you think. Tobiasi0 (talk) 12:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The point of including the images in the current collage you don't think are relevant is to include at least one image from each of the boroughs. They all need to be represented. New York City is more than just Manhattan. There's no reason to relive or replace any of the current images. oknazevad (talk) 13:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Oknazevad do they - even if there is no comparable encyclopedic relevance? Sure, most of the things NYC is known for are located or happening in Manhattan, but trying to include every borough is a case of false balance imho, especially when there are other cities like Vienna out there where you don't try to include every single of the whole 23 districts as well. –Tobias (talk) 13:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

No one is talking about 23 anything, we are talking about 4 boroughs where most of the city is and lives. This is an encyclopedia not a tourism guide. Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alanscottwalker right, that's exactly my point. It is an encyclopedia and intended to display topics by their relevance which isn't the case if most of the city is in Manhattan and you try to write an equal amout of text about Staten Island, if there is basically nothing that famous. This wouldn't be an issue if we were specifically talking about the article about Staten Island, but that's not the case. –Tobias (talk) 13:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You are missing the point, we are not writing about Staten Island, we are writing about the whole city. OneAlanscottwalker (talk) 13:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alanscottwalker exactly, and why should we even look at the single boroughs in the infobox, when we try to provide information about the city as a whole? –Tobias (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I already said, because those are where most the city is and lives. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alanscottwalker and I understand that, that's what this is all about. The information about the specific boroughs belong in the corresponding section of the article, not in the infobox or lead section; that's just where they are possibly mentioned once. It is irrelevant how far the infobox covers all boroughs, but how it covers the important locations of the city and if 80% of them are located in Manhattan, then, as a logical conclusion, 80% of the infobox is about Manhattan, regardless of whether 3 out of 5 boroughs aren't represented with even one single image. With this in mind, why keep an image depicting the Verrazzano Bridge instead of replacing it with a picture of Grand Central Terminal, which has about five times as much views? –Tobias (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

This is not an article about popular places, its an article about an entire city. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alanscottwalker and the popular places don't belong to the city? –Tobias (talk) 14:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Popular places are not the city. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alanscottwalker ok, let's try it from another perspective. We seem to have similar arguments, yet arrive at different conclusions. What exactly is the deal breaker regarding popular places for you? I mean, you seem pretty okay with the fact that the Statue of Liberty is included in the infobox, but want to exclude the Grand Central Terminal, even though it is a crucial part of the city's infrastructure. The Statue of Liberty is precisely the exact kind of popular place that you seem to oppose in your last messages. –Tobias (talk) 17:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Please don't give me a ping notice again. I am watching this page. I told you, we need to represent the city entire.

As for the statue of liberty, it represents social history of the city and 19th century rise to prominence of its port. Also, we have enough re infrastructure, poor idea to sacrifice scope for that. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Why should it be a poor idea to use the main station of a city as symbol for its infrastructure? Additionally, the Grand Central Terminal does have cultural status alongside with a remarkable history too, as nearly every other building or structure in NYC, so that's not really a convincing argument. Infrastructure isn't just a little important, it's crucial for any city.

But let's try to reach a consensus, at least for the replacement of the image of the Unisphere. Do you support this idea? –Tobias (talk) 18:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you are reading what I write, we have enough on infrastructure in almost every picture, and scope across the city matters much more anyway.

As for the Unisphere I guess you have not convinced someone else above it is a better image, (the current image does seem good given its clear in the space given and the closeups in that part: the triangle with the other closupes of the statue and the bridge) but obviously one image over the other of the same thing is orthogonal to my main objections to what you want to do. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alanscottwalker by the way, we are talking about five boroughs and from what I can see, Staten Island isn't even included in the current infobox. –Tobias (talk) 13:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You are missing the point, we are not writing about Staten Island, we encyclopedically covering the whole city. And just 1/9th of the montage is the bridge to Staten Island a key to understanding geography, but if you have another borough relevant image feel free to suggest it. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024

I'm going to add one information in the "Tech and biotech" part. I read the Global Innovation Hubs Index, and I want to mention the place of NYC in this rank. New York is a top-tier global technology hub. In 2023, it is the representative of innovation hub, ranked second in the world after San Francisco-San Jose. This is from the NATURE which published in November 22, 2023. You can check it on this website: https://www.nature.com/articles/d42473-023-00420-1 Gihii (talk) 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The website you linked is an Advertisement Feature. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2024

I want to add some information under the tech and biotech page. I have read an article from nature, which proved that NYC ranked 2nd in the Global Innovation Hubs Index. I think the new information is of good use. The text I want to add is: New York is a top-tier global technology hub. In 2023, it is the representative of innovation hub, ranked second in the world after San Francisco-San Jose Gihii (talk) 08:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Same reason as above request; the website is an advertisement feature. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)