User:Jacoplane/Foreign players in association football

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Per this discussion, I'll be working on this article. Adding some sources here:

JACOPLANE • 2008-05-28 09:44

Some England-related history: The first known foreigner in the English league was Spurs' Max Seeburg, followed by Chelsea's Nils Middelboe. I can provide some info on early foreign players to do with Arsenal, including the failed signing of Rudy Hiden (which led to ban on foreign professionals until 1978) and the successful signing of Gerrit Keizer (as an amateur) and later Albert Gudmundsson. The ban wasn't lifted until 1978 but there were still some foreign players in England such as Bert Trautmann, Hans Jeppson as well as many players from the Empire/Commonwealth such as Lindy Delapenha and Eddie Firmani. The 1978 rule change let the likes of Ossie Ardiles and Ricky Villa in and we've not looked back since, although it wasn't until the Bosman ruling did EU players get full freedom to play in England. This link [1] has a lot of useful info IMHO. Qwghlm (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Walter Bowman predates Seeburg. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Having just submitted Bert Trautmann at GAN I have vast amounts of material about him. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Earlier today I jotted down some thoughts on a notepad for things which could be discussed in the article, just putting it here as ideas:

  • Eastern bloc defectors, most notably half the great Hungarian team of the 1950s
  • The South Americans who went to Italy in the 1930s, such as Luis Monti.
  • Millonarios in the 1950s
  • The overwhelming number of Brazilians playing in other countries (I have a book which I can use for this)
  • The "three foreigner rule" that was used in European competition for many years
  • Bosman and EU law
  • The NASL and J-League using foreign players to raise the profile of the league upon launch (which could also go on to mention Beckham at LA Galaxy)
  • I seem to recall that it is or was illegal for Saudi players to play abroad.
  • Non-European national teams playing most of their friendlies in Europe to appease European clubs. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


Maybe this book written by my friend Pierre Lanfranchi can be a usefull reference. Also, take a look at my lists of foreign players (you can find'em on my userpage) and Latouffedisco's List of foreign Ligue 1 players. If you wanna ask something, I'm here to help. --necronudist (talk) 14:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course, you can use the List of foreign Ligue 1 players. This book is useful about French football: Barreaud, Marc (1998). Dictionnaire des footballeurs étrangers du championnat professionnel français (1932-1997). L'Harmattan, Paris. ISBN 2-7384-6608-7.. As an immigration country lots of foreigners played in France. Also the first Frenchman in England was international player Georges Crozier at Fulham F.C. [2] [3] in 1904.--Latouffedisco (talk) 09:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

We can also add the Yugoslavian law: a player had to be 28 years old to leave the country. Soviet players could not leave USSR til the end of the 1980's, too. But there are exception: Arthur Minassian/Harutyun Minassian [4] [5], an Armenian could join Olympique de Marseille because he had family in France (if I remember well...need to check this out).--Latouffedisco (talk) 09:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I found it in a book about Olympique de Marseille! His family came back to USSR at one time, because they probably left after the genocide. That's why he obtained the right to move to France with his family. An amazing story...--Latouffedisco (talk) 08:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Just a heads up that someone has created 6+5 rule. Once you've created the article, we can redirect it to the new one. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
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