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This page transcludes a subset of the nominations found on the page of all the approved nominations for the "Did you know" section of the Main Page. It only transcludes the nominations filed under dates of the second-most recent week. The page is intended to allow editors to easily review recent nominations that may not be displaying correctly on the complete page of approved nominations if that page's contents are causing the page to hit the post-expand include size limit.

Adou Thiero

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  • ... that college basketball player Adou Thiero plays for the same head coach that his father had played for?
  • Source: both have played for John Calipari; Times Online ("Adou’s parents, too, had basketball in their blood ... Almamy Thiero was one of the top power forward prospects in the high school Class of 2002 and played for legendary coach John Calipari at Memphis for four seasons") / ESPN ("Ex-Kentucky star Adou Thiero joining John Calipari at Arkansas")
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 271 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: JuniperChill (talk) 10:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Abramson

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Daughters of Jacob Home
Daughters of Jacob Home
  • ... that Louis Abramson worked on the renovation of a building (pictured) he had designed 57 years earlier?
Moved to mainspace by RoySmith (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

RoySmith (talk) 02:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi RoySmith, review follows: a QPQ has been carried out (in progress); article was moved to mainspace on 12 November and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources except for one paragraph which I have tagged; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing from the sources in a spotcheck on some of the online ones; Earwig comes back generally OK, though I wonder if "on 167th Street between Findlay and Teller Avenues in the Bronx" could be rephrased to avoid being identical to the source? hook fact is interesting enough, mentioned in the article and checks out to sources cited; image is OK, could be cropped a little to remove the margin. Do you have confirmation it was published prior to 1929? Noting the statement that the NY public library couldn't determine copyright of the image - Dumelow (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumelow Thank you for the review. I've supplied the missing citation. As for the paraphrasing, I think WP:LIMITED applies here. I tried a few rewordings, but they're all rather awkward and forced, so I'm inclined to leave it as is. I think cropping the image would be an aesthetic negative.

The more interesting question is the provenance of the image vis-a-vis whether it is PD or not. https://www.vera.org/news/vera-schweitzer-the-vera-institutes-worthy-namesake says the image appeared in a 1931 annual report, so that's at least an upper bound for the date, admittedly 2 years shy of the 1929 magic line in the sand. Wurts Brothers was a well-known photography firm specializing in architectural work. I think it's reasonable to assume they took the photo soon after the building was completed, but I have been unable to find any hard evidence that it predates 1929. RoySmith (talk) 20:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Not an expert on images so happy to leave decision whether to use up to promoter/posting admin - Dumelow (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm possibly putting my head in the lion's mouth, but Nikkimaria is my usual go-to on image licensing questions. RoySmith (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current tagging is likely incorrect (unless there's an earlier publication that hasn't been identified), but I'd suggest checking for copyright renewal on the 1931 report - it likely wouldn't have been renewed which means this is likely out of copyright. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumelow OK, let's run this without the image:

ALT1 ... that Louis Abramson worked on the renovation of a building he had designed 57 years earlier?

which is a bit of a shame, but I'd rather be right than guess. In the meantime, I've located an archive here in NYC that looks like it has all the annual reports from the years in question. I'll get over there at some point and hopefully be able to nail this down. RoySmith (talk) 22:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to confirm ALT1 is approved. An interesting building, surprised it doesn't have its own article yet - Dumelow (talk) 08:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may yet happen. I had started work on User:RoySmith/drafts/1201 Findlay Ave and while researching the building, learned about Abramson and ended up going down that rathole first. RoySmith (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Walter G. Benz Jr.

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Created by Toadboy123 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 42 past nominations.

Toadboy123 (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article length and age are fine, no copyvio, source checks out. First time reviewer so would appreciate a second look 03:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The Manhasset

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The Manhasset apartment building
The Manhasset apartment building
Created by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 684 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I'll be reviewing this today. :)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: Yes

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Preference for ALT3, that one seems more interesting (and unfortunate) than the others. EF5 16:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY Good to go, easy pass! :) EF5 16:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Chaman Lall

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Portrait of Helen by Sher-Gil
Portrait of Helen by Sher-Gil
Created by Whispyhistory (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 203 past nominations.

Whispyhistory (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice article, and a great picture which will look good on the main page. Thank you for this.

@Storye book:... Thank you for reviewing. I need to recheck the hook fact as the source is not correct and does not correspondance to Sher-Gil's letters. Will ping you once checked. Sorry for this. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seunghan

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Seunghan in September 2023
Seunghan in September 2023
Seunghan in September 2023
Seunghan in September 2023
  • ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of his K-pop band because of a kiss?
  • ALT1: ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of his K-pop band because of a cigarette and a kiss?
  • ALT2: ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of Riize because of a cigarette and a kiss?
  • ALT3: ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of his band because he kissed a woman?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment:
Created by RachelTensions (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

RachelTensions (talk) 05:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Rachel, this is a well-written and well-sourced article. It was nominated on the same day it was moved to the mainspace, so it meets the newness criteria. I prefer ALT1 the most, as both the subject's kissing and smoking contributed to his departure according to the source, and omitting his band name would make it more accessible for readers who are not familiar with Kpop. Earwig shows no copyvio. No QPQ is needed. Good to go! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 20:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Curnow

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Thomas Curnow, 1880
Thomas Curnow, 1880
  • ... that schoolteacher Thomas Curnow (pictured) used a red scarf to stop a train from derailing?
  • Reviewed:
Created by PastelLilac (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

PastelLilac (talk) 04:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Article length and age are fine, no copyright or plagiarism issues seen, but I am concerned about WP:N. The article states "lthough Curnow became a household name in Australia following the Glenrowan siege, today he is a relatively obscure figure in Australian history. In most plays and films about the Kelly gang, Curnow is a minor character..." -- If more information concerning the notoriety of Curnow in his own time in Australian press or society / outside of dramatic representations I think that would assist. -Maximilian775 (talk) 21:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I'm not sure I understand your request. I think it's clear from the article that Curnow was well known in his day. For example, his retirement 35 years after the Glenrowan siege "received press coverage throughout Australia". He hadn't sunk completely into obscurity, as much as he tried to avoid the limelight. His actions led to the downfall of arguably Australia's most famous historical person. Notability beyond dispute surely. - PastelLilac (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you can elaborate on the Cornish association source -- I'm not sure how 1 citation shows "coverage throughout Australia", and your statement of him being a household name in Legacy bears no citations at all. I'm certainly open to being convinced of notability, but as the article currently stands in my reading it's not shown thoroughly enough. Maximilian775 (talk) 21:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just jumping in here - per WP:NTEMP, once notability has been established, it does not need to be maintained. If he was a household name in Australia at one point in time, then he's notable enough for Wikipedia now, Maximilian775. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 21:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair point, and due to my completing my initial read of the article on a smaller screen, I didn't see the portion about the Victoria Humane Society medal and the fact he had to essentially go into witness protection for a time. My apologies, PastelLilac

With that in mind, I think the article overall is fine, but the hook could include a mention of the role he played in Kelly's capture. Maybe

    • ALT1: ... that schoolteacher Thomas Curnow (pictured) used a red scarf to stop a train from derailing, leading to the capture of notorious outlaw Ned Kelly?
That's all good. I'm open to hook suggestions, and yours may get more clicks. Part of me takes pleasure in ignoring Ned Kelly though, considering so much has been written about him already. - PastelLilac (talk) 22:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All that being said, approved

Maximilian775 (talk) 23:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Bookbinder

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  • Source: "Later Mr Bookbinder was described by Mrs Thatcher as her "least favourite local government leader" from: Hawley, Zena (28 December 2023). "The local politics giant who took on Thatcher, and won, dies at 82". Derbyshire Live. Retrieved 12 November 2024.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 906 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 12:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Interesting and sourced hook. Quality article and timely nomination. There should not be a DYKBLP issue since the subject died last year. With the QPQ also completed, I am approving this nomation. Nice work--NØ 23:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1984 Southland floods

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Flooded homes
Flooded homes
Created by Panamitsu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 55 past nominations.

―Panamitsu (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Light Vessel 16

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  • Source: "The oldest surviving wooden lightship is about to embark on the next chapter of her colourful life - as an Airbnb. ... she was built in 1840" from: Jordan, Nicola (22 July 2023). "Historic ship and former nightclub now riverside Airbnb". Kent Online. Retrieved 14 November 2024.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 907 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 21:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Chivas USA managers

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Created by Brindille1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Brindille1 (talk) 05:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good to go; made a few formatting fixes while looking over the list yesterday. ALT0 is the more interesting of the two (but ALT1 is also suitable); it could use a more explicit source than the league's data tables, though. SounderBruce 05:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Campo Valdés Roman baths

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Created by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 25 past nominations.

Kimikel (talk) 04:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi Kimikel, review follows: article created 14 November and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what appear to be reliable sources for the subject matter; sources are all in Spanish so will have to AGF there is no overly close paraphrasing of them, Earwig shows no issues; hook facts are interesting, mentioned in the article and check out to sources cited, at least according to Google Translate. A QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 08:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retelling

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 533 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Overall, the article meets all the criteria for warranting a DYK blurb, and QPQ has been satisfied, but I'm concerned that your proposed hook, in my opinion, doesn't seem that interesting or attention-grabbing. Do you think there's something else interesting you could bring up about retelling aside from how common it is? JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, that definitely sounds more interesting, though if I could make an edit to the phrasing, maybe something like:
  • ... that the feminist retelling of stories can focus on previously nonexistent or marginalized female characters?
Let me know if this sounds good to you. JJonahJackalope (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi)

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  • Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by TarnishedPath (talk), Alalch E. (talk) and PARAKANYAA (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

TarnishedPathtalk 12:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I'll review. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article is new enough and long enough, well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, copyvio-compliant, and presentable. The hook is cited by a reliable source, <200 characters, and is interesting. QPQ is not required.
A potential problem with the hook is that it may unduly focus on negative aspects of a living person. I personally think it is fine but I have gotten it wrong in the past so I will request a second opinion from a user better versed in DYK. Note that in this source the subject of the article is personally admitting to what is stated in the hook. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the GA reviewer: I would not believe it to unduly focus on the negative aspects of Sewell, given my understanding of the word, given what he does and what he is notable for. It's not like he is a well regarded person who happened to do one bad thing and we're making it the hook. It's not a crime or something that he denied doing, in any case. Just my thoughts. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, good justification. I'm happy to tick it off. GMH Melbourne (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emil Bove

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Created by Muboshgu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 538 past nominations.

– Muboshgu (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kings Theatre (Brooklyn)

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The Kings Theatre
The Kings Theatre
  • ... that ushers at New York City's Kings Theatre reportedly had to exercise in a basketball court in its basement? Source: Kravis, Hedi (February 12, 1978). "The Best First-Run Movie Houses!". New York Daily News. pp. 426, 427, 439, 442. Specifically page 427.
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 685 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 03:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting article expansion on fine sources, subscription sources accepted AGF, No copyvio obvious. The image ist licensed and would be a lovely Illustration,going well with ALT2. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Headley Green

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  • ... that David Green published over 200 research papers before his 18th birthday?
Created by Chaiten1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

Chaiten1 (talk) 08:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good to me. Hook is misleading, but in a good way as far as I'm concerned, and technically true at that. Earwig gives a pretty high score but everything it flags are the names of organizations or awards, so no worries there. Nice work, good to go. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trevor (duck)

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  • ... that in 2018, "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue, hundreds of kilometers from fresh water and any other duck?
  • Source: "Still, living hundreds of miles away from any other duck wasn’t exactly ideal for Trevor" The New York Times, "Trevor is 'the world's loneliest duck'" ABC News, and "Niue has no surface streams because of the porous and fissured nature of its limestone surface. Even after prolonged heavy rainfall, the ground is dry within a few minutes." Wheeler & Aharon (2004)
  • ALT0a: ... that "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue in 2018? From Launchballer below
  • ALT0b: ... that in 2018, "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote island country of Niue, hundreds of kilometers from any other duck? Striking claim about fresh water, per TompaDompa's review as well as "Pacific" for conciseness
  • ALT1: ... that Trevor the mallard was named after Trevor Mallard? Source: "The duck — which appeared earlier this year — is widely known as 'Trevor', after New Zealand's speaker of the House of Representatives, Trevor Mallard." ABC News
  • ALT2: ... that political scientists use the naming of a lost duck as an example of diplomatic relations? Source: "Outside of diasporic ties, [pacific island countries] and communities also strategically establish close relationships with elites in partner states using cultural and traditional practices. ... In a less obligatory manner, Niue named their only duck Trevor, after then- New Zealand Speaker of the House of Representatives Trevor Mallard" Futaisi et al (2024), pp. 12–13
  • Reviewed:
Moved to mainspace by Dan Leonard (talk) and Upjav (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 02:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Per WP:DYKTRIM, I suggest ALT0a: ... that "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue in 2018?--Launchballer 16:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - ALT1 meets the sourcing requirements. The other proposed hooks do not.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article moved to mainspace on 16 November, and (barely) meets the length requirement. There are no obvious neutrality issues. Earwig reveals no copyvio, and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptable WP:Close paraphrasing. All of the proposed hooks are interesting; I have no strong preference between them. ALT0 and ALT0a need proper sourcing for "the world's loneliest duck" in the article (see below). ALT0 additionally needs "hundreds of kilometers from fresh water and any other duck" to be properly sourced in the article per WP:DYKHFC. ALT1 is adequately sourced. ALT2 is not mentioned in the article at all. This is the nominator's fifth DYK nomination (after Template:Did you know nominations/Seed oil misinformation, Template:Did you know nominations/Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, Template:Did you know nominations/Sheetz–Wawa rivalry, and Template:Did you know nominations/Charles de Gaulle's trip to South America), so they are QPQ exempt; it would have been the co-nominator's sixth (after Template:Did you know nominations/Tamakautoga, Template:Did you know nominations/Texas Reliability Entity, Template:Did you know nominations/Hunuki Hunukitama, Template:Did you know nominations/Narita Viliamu Tahega, and Template:Did you know nominations/18th Niue Assembly). Some comments on the content:

  • Trevor began receiving media attention when The New Zealand Herald journalist Claire Trevett encountered the duck on a visit to Niue in September 2018 and reported on his appearance – this cites Trevett's own article, i.e. the WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. That's not ideal—how can we now that this was when the media attention began? Furthermore, while the article is from 5 September 2018, Trevett only specifies that the visit to Niue was "recently" which could be late August rather than September.
  • as the distances from Australia and New Zealand are too great for the duck to have flown under his own effort – the cited source only says this about New Zealand, not Australia.
  • Hundreds of miles from any known duck habitat and without a mate, he was known as "the world's loneliest duck" – the cited source does not state the distance to the nearest duck habitat (it only says "there are no ducks on Niue") and does not support the designation as "the world's loneliest duck" as headlines are not considered reliable sources per WP:HEADLINES.
  • Trevor lived in a roadside puddle as a local celebrity, which was refilled by the Niue Fire Service and locals when it began to dry out. – the cited source only mentions the fire service refilling the puddle (locals are mentioned feeding the duck, but not refilling the puddle).
  • whyevolutionistrue.com appears to be a blog. What makes it a WP:Reliable source for the information it is used to support here?
  • speaker of the New Zealand Parliament – not a DYK requirement, but it would make more sense to link Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives.
  • Niue received condolences from around the world, including from his namesake politician and media outlets including [...] – I don't think it's quite accurate to say that the media outlets gave their condolences. I would just say that they reported on the death.

Ping nominator Dan Leonard and co-nominator Upjav. TompaDompa (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TompaDompa: I have addressed most of your comments. Please see the article's history for the specific edits. However, I have not made any changes in regards to your first and fifth points.
  • In regards to citing Trevett (2018), the first citation is simply for reader convenience, while the substantive part of the sentence (that Trevett's article led to virality) is cited to Victor (2019), which states "Eventually, his celebrity expanded beyond the island. When Claire Trevett, a senior writer at The New Zealand Herald, asked for directions while visiting Niue, someone told her to “turn right after the duck,” she wrote for the newspaper in September. After that, Trevor’s story rapidly spread to other international publications."
  • While whyevolutionistrue.com is a blog, it is one run by a subject matter expert (ecologist Jerry Coyne) and is the best source available for the claim. Although suboptimal, it is not necessarily a violation of the sourcing policy.
  • The article now more exactly says "hundreds of miles from any other duck" which may affect whether ALT0 meets WP:DYKHFC. Please consider re-reviewing if you feel it's necessary.
  • Text supporting ALT2 was removed from the article after DYK submission. I think it was the weakest hook of the three, but if you think it is interesting feel free to restore it to the article so ALT2 meets WP:DYKHFC.
Thank you for the detailed review. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 23:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, let's see:
  • I still don't think we can say that Trevett's visit to Niue was in September 2018. It was "recently" as of 5 September 2018. There are a few different ways of resolving this. One option is saying that it was "about half a year" after Trevor's arrival in January 2018, though that's a bit clunky.
  • I suppose Coyne should be acceptable per WP:EXPERTSPS, then.
  • If the source and article say hundreds of miles, it is perfectly fine for the hook to say hundreds of kilometers—100 miles is more than 100 km, after all. However, the distance to the nearest fresh water in ALT0 also needs to be in the article and properly sourced. ALT0a meets the sourcing requirements now, however.
  • The article now says that mallards have been introduced to New Zealand, but I don't find this in the cited source?
  • The article is now very close to being below the required minimum of 1,500 characters. This does not require any particular action, but should be kept in mind if you edit it further and make it shorter.
Ping nominator Dan Leonard and co-nominator Upjav. TompaDompa (talk) 17:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TompaDompa:
  • Trevett date: rewrote sentence to "Trevett encountered the duck on a visit to Niue and reported on his appearance in an article published in September 2018", still a bit clunky but more precise?
  • Miles/kilometers dispute: since this is an article that should follow MOS:TIES to NZ English for ENGVAR, I've changed the article to also use "kilometers" – The New York Times, as an American newspaper, used miles but I think kilometers is better here.
  • Mallard introduction: added a source to Dyer & Williams (2010).
  • ALT2: restored passage about diplomatic relations to allow ALT2 to meet WP:DYKHFC.
Pinging Upjav as original article creator for final thoughts. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 21:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0a, ALT0b, and ALT1 are ready. I don't think describing Trevor as a "lost" duck in ALT2 is entirely accurate, but substituting "errant" (or just omitting "lost" altogether) would be okay. TompaDompa (talk) 16:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Celeste Caeiro

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A graffiti by Banksy in Lisbon featuring carnations alluding the Carnation Revolution.
A graffiti by Banksy in Lisbon featuring carnations alluding the Carnation Revolution.
  • ... that Celeste Caeiro was the woman who handed carnations to the soldiers during the 1974 pacific revolution in Portugal, which soon became known as the Carnation Revolution?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Celeste Caeiro died on 15 November and her gesture of handing carnations to the soldiers during the revolution of 25 April 1974 in Lisbon transformed the coup into a peaceful revolution and was dubbed the "Carnation Revolution’" globally. I have expanded her article quite a bit with reliable sources and consider it to be eligible for posting on DYK.
5x expanded by Alsoriano97 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
_-_Alsor (talk) 01:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  • Hi _-_Alsor, review follows: I had a quick scan through the sources and they look like news organisations, however the citations could be improved so that the name of the publication is included in the citation to make it clear to the reader; I did a spot check on verifying a claim from the source and couldn't see where this TimeOut article supported the statement "In 1974 Caeiro was working in a self-service restaurant in Lisbon called "Sir" located at Franjinhas Building on Rua Braamcamp" though that could be a failure of Google Translate, would you mind having a quick check of this (and any other sections which may not be supported)? Per WP:DYKIMG the image proposed needs to appear in the article, if you want this one it needs to be added; I would also check where you stand on freedom of panorama on 2D images, murals etc. are often still covered by copyright. The main sticking point for me is that I measure the pre-15 November version of the article at 1,222 characters and the current version at 5,656 characters. To meet the criteria of WP:DYK5X the article needs to be expanded by 5x or more, which would require an additional approx 500 characters. Do you think it is feasible to expand further? - Dumelow (talk) 11:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Dumelow: Hi, thanks for doing the review and for your suggestions! I would like to comment to you that:
      • About the first one, excuse me, I don't understand what you mean. That the title of the publications must be in English so that it can be understood at first? Or that some citations are simple (mainly the last ones)? I can correct both issues.
      • No, there is no mistake in the translation: the restaurant was called SIR. I will add some more references so that it can be better supported (in any case I have tried to use a better translator than Google Translate when I have needed to do so). I will also review the other citations, even though I'm sure that all the content has its respective cited source because I have made sure to do so.
      • I'm going to fix what you suggest about the image as well.
      • I will also try to expand article's content a little more and reach/exceed the missing 500 characters. Although I suspect that little more can be added...
      • Let me spend some time later today and/or tomorrow on the article. In any case I will let you know once I have made the improvements. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi _-_Alsor, sorry to clarify in the order of your bullet points:
  • The publications are fine in the native language; it was the simple citations that were just a link behind text that should really be expanded eg. with the publication name, author, date etc. where known
  • Sorry, it was my mistake, I was looking for the word "Caeiro" in the article not "Celeste Martins". It is there and supports what is said. If you are happy this is the case throughout the article don't worry about checking them. I normally do a spot check of a few sentences just to check they are covered by the source and if anything is awry it is often an indication of wider problems. In this case I was being a bit stupid.
  • On the image I know that if it was taken of a flat mural in the UK it would be covered by copyright and therefore not usable in DYK but laws vary around the world (but if it was a 3D sculpture for example it would be fine). I am not sure what applies in Portugal.
  • Yes, hopefully there is a little more to add to bring it over the threshold.
  • No worries, DYK folks are generally happy to give people about a week to work on their articles after nomination if there are things to resolve. I've watchlisted this page but if I don't respond to compelte the review feel free to message. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • Simple citations are no longer "simple".
            • No worries! It's an understandable confusion. I have checked the rest of citations and all is in order.
            • The new image I'm proposing looks like it could be used freely and is a Banksy mural, which, to my knowledge, is usually not copyrighted (correct me if I'm wrong). The alternative would be, although I'm not convinced, to use a photograph of a red carnation.
            • I have managed to exceed 6000 characters. I'll continue to expand a little more as I've found a source with interesting information.
            • @Dumelow: thanks again for your collaboration. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi _-_Alsor, expansion is now looking good. I will leave judgement on the image up to the promoter and admin when posting as I am not an expert. Citations look good. I had one query arising from one sentence:

  • "When Caeiro was 18 months old, she was admitted to the Alto do Pina Day Centre and was regularly visited by her mother. At the age of 14 she was transferred to the Asilo 28 de Maio." what are these? Schools, hospitals?

Other than that looks fine. Hook is interesting, stated in the article and checks out to source cited. I wonder if it can be made a little more to the point - Dumelow (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC) ALT1: ... that Celeste Caeiro handed flowers to soldiers during Portugal's Carnation Revolution?[reply]

  • Dumelow I specified that Alto do Pina and Asilo 28 de Maio were boarding schools. Now let's see what they have to say about the image: I think it would be nice if that one was publishable. And about the altblurb you're proposing I'm not very convinced... I wouldn't want it to be understood that Caeiro only gave flowers during a revolution, but that her gesture ended up transforming the military coup into the Carnation Revolution. Perhaps:
Hi _-_Alsor, yes that's fine. The article doesn't currently state that she was the first to hand out carnations. Can you add that (and check it is covered by the source). Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 06:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Dumelow. I don't know if it is necessary to explain it, since statements like “The idea was copied and the florists donated more flowers to the mutinous soldiers. The pictures of the soldiers with carnations in their guns appeared on front pages all over the world and the coup became known globally as the Carnation Revolution “ or the headlines of the reliable sources that have been cited as "Celeste Caeiro, Whose Flowers Gave a Name to a Revolt, Dies at 91" (NYT) or "Portugal's ’Carnations Lady' who gave a name to 1974 revolution dies at 91” (Reuters) already hint at this fact. What seems clear is that we have to find a better blurb than the one we have proposed with the ideas we both have of what it should be and what other editors who want to intervene can propose. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Dumelow, I propose another alternative blurb, taking it from the lead of Caeiro's article:
Hi _-_Alsor, the source cited in the article says that this is one of only three possibilities for why it was called the Carnation Revolution. Do you have a better source you can replace it with that says it was definitely Caeiro's act that led to the naming? - Dumelow (talk) 09:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dumelow, I have replaced this source with others that are more reliable, in English and support this fact. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 approved - Dumelow (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dumelow Thank you very much for your work! _-_Alsor (talk) 12:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Hutchinson

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The first photograph of a television image
  • ... that Oliver Hutchinson (pictured) was the subject of the first successful live demonstration of the television on 26 January 1926?
  • Source: "Ninety years ago today, in a building in Soho, the first live television demonstration took place in front of a room of members of the Royal Institution and a journalist from The Times. A face – that of a man called Oliver Hutchinson – appeared on in a small 3.5ins by two inch picture. The Scot's first successful test of his Televisor was in 1924, when he transmitted a flickering image onto a wall ten feet away. Two years later, it was a clearer image of Hutchinson in a different room which is now regarded to be the first television demonstration as earlier showcases projected nothing more than faint silhouettes." from: "Google joins in celebrations for TV's 90th birthday". The Week. 20 January 2016. Retrieved 16 November 2024.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 908 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 21:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - See comments for possible edits
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Well done, thank you esp for the writing and for hunting down the sources for this bio. ALT0 -- would it be better to say "live" rather than public demonstration? The source says "live" and I'm not sure this is "public" in our current usage of the term. Might also move (pictured) after 'television' because it's a great image of that TV demo, not of the subject himself. ALT1 -- this is accurate but strikes me as an odd emphasis on the photograph rather than the pioneering step with television technology. ProfGray (talk) 15:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed "public" to "live" in the article if you want to go with that. I left it a bit ambiguous with the "pictured" as I can't find a source that says this is an image of the first demonstration, it could have been taken another time and wasn't published until June. The demonstration was 26 January. Not sure how long the current backlog is but this could well run on the 99th anniversary of the event? - Dumelow (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, if you agree "live" is better, then I'd suggest revising the first hook. Thanks for explaining about your caution with the image, that's wise. ProfGray (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I have amended ALT0 to "live" instead of "public" - Dumelow (talk) 08:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bea Hines

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  • ... that Bea Hines, the first African American woman to become a reporter at the Miami Herald, was sent out to report on a riot on her first day at work?
Created by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 84 past nominations.

Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Raul Meza Jr.

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  • ... that serial killer Raul Meza Jr. began using drugs at age eight?
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Created by Swinub (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Swinub★ 04:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article meets all the relevant guidelines, hook is cited to a brand of MSNBC which is considered reliable by consensus. Hook is interesting, nice work! It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emancipation Pictorial

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Emancipation Pictorial
Emancipation Pictorial
  • Source: Wang Cancan (王璨璨) (7 June 2021). 解放画报 [Emancipation Pictorial]. Encyclopaedia of China (in Chinese) (3rd ed.). Archived from the original on 17 November 2024. Retrieved 17 November 2024. "因而提倡女权、男女平等、妇女解放等，但是反对女子参政. (Therefore, it advocated for women's rights, gender equality, women's liberation, etc., but opposed women's participation in politics.)"
  • ALT1: ... that most of the contributors to the Emancipation Pictorial (issue pictured), a Chinese women's magazine, were men? Source: 中国妇女报刊史上首份画报 初期男作者投稿居多 [The First Pictorial Magazine in the History of Chinese Women's Newspapers and Periodicals; Most of the Early Contributors were Male]. Shenyang Daily (in Chinese). 8 March 2010. Archived from the original on 30 January 2011. Retrieved 17 November 2024 – via Sohu.com. "自本刊创办以来，无论是文稿还是图稿，竟男子作居多，女子作居少." (Since the establishment of this journal, most of the manuscripts and illustrations have been written by men, while few have been written by women.)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (4 of 4)
  • Comment: Please note that I have three journal articles pending at the Reference Exchange, all of which interpret the magazine and its content. There may thus be further expansion.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 708 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article was made on the 17th of this month, so is new enough. It is more than long enough and reads neutrally while properly using in-line citations. The copyvio detector finds no issues and I AGF on the translations, which appear to be accurate for the hooks as far as I can tell. Depressing hooks, but certainly fall under interesting and they are cited in-line. The QPQ has been done and the image presented is in the public domain and is visually understandable even at a small size. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 00:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William C. Roberts (pastor)

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Moved to mainspace by PCN02WPS (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 81 past nominations.

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi PCN02WPS, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 17 November and far exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; I didn't find any issue with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck on sources; hook facts are interesting, mentioned in the article and check out to sources cited; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 09:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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