Template:Did you know nominations/Norma Eberhardt

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 13:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Norma Eberhardt[edit]

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Created/expanded by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 21:46, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Citation checks out, good length, article is new enough, interesting hook, and no evidence of plagiarism. Great article as well! --Odie5533 (talk) 03:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I checked the other sources you have, and you seem to be using an obituary as a reference. Obituaries are typically written by the family of the deceased and so are not a reliable source. --Odie5533 (talk) 03:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm calling this one good to go. The sourcing does consist of obituaries, but almost everything in the article is supported by the editorial obituary from the Telegraph. The local obituaries add only minor details. --Orlady (talk) 18:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I still think violating the policy on reliable sources – especially when the article has only 3 sources 2 of which are unrealiable – is enough to hold it back. --Odie5533 (talk) 03:01, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
The only facts in the article that are supported only by the local newspaper's obituary are (1) her role as founding member and trustee of the Township of Ocean Historical Museum in Ocean Township, Monmouth County, New Jersey, (2) cause of death (stroke), and (3) location of the funeral. The first and third of these items likely do not interest the London Telegraph nearly as much as they do the local folks, while the second is something that many families and newspapers don't report. Moreover, since she died less than a month ago, it's premature to expect her cause of death and funeral location to appear in standard reference books. It seems entirely reasonable to use the local source to supplement the Telegraph obit. --Orlady (talk) 13:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
The local source should not be used at all as it is not reliable. See our short discussion at User talk:Odie5533#Template:Did_you_know_nominations.2FNorma_Eberhardt --Odie5533 (talk) 23:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
  • The use of quasi-reliable sources is sometimes allowable, depending on what they support. A blog by a noted expert on a subject can still be reliable, and what is generally non-controversial information (that some say may not even have to be cited) would be okay if it is written by one in the know, and published in a source with editorial overview. In this case, I think the museum bit would be preferable to leave out unless a third party source could be found, but the cause of death and location of the funeral would be okay from this source. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
  • FWIW, the museum is pretty small. Her name does not appear on the museum's current website. --Orlady (talk) 04:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Random thought: I'm wondering if this could become a Halloween hook. Something like:
  • Makes sense, since both of her biggest films releases were in 1958, and the titles do kind of sound like Halloween themes. Scanlan (talk) 01:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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