Talk:When in Rome (band)

Whoever said they broke up over "hair envy" is the funniest thing I ever heard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.134.229 (talk) 20:23, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Fully-protected

Alright, the games are over. Any more 3RR violations after the protection ends and I start reporting. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Kacheek!)} 21:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

amendments

Clive and Andrew are still very much in the music business and are not as quoted 'former members'. Both are still active and are writing new material for a new When in Rome album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.6.233.80 (talk) 07:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Fine, but you don't provide a source -- the only proof of that is a statement submitted to a "where are they now" type website by Clive Farrington -- and you keep removing the info about the other version of the band, which looks vindictive. I've reworded the content.
If possible, please provide sources from third-party publications or at least a press release, I've told you that before, thanks. Salamurai (talk) 15:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit War

These are notes regarding the Aug/Sept/Oct 2011 edit war on this article, from my talk page. I am duplicating it here for future reference (for subsequent edit wars or other editors' use). Note that Musicwerks represents himself as being founding band member Michael Floreale. Founding band member Clive Farrington appears to have started/abandoned/been blocked from several accounts including TheWIR and Evilc100. I previously attempted to keep the article neutral and current, but will not be getting involved in the future. - Salamurai (talk) 02:06, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Notes from Floreale

Hello, you contacted me on August 16th regarding the changes I made to the When In Rome trademark dispute. The reason I amended the page was because wiruk added information that has already beed referenced ie. 9,10 and 11. There is no dispute over the bands name for touring as this has been resolved. The UK version are touring as Clive Farrington and Andrew Mann formerly of When In Rome. This is clearly stated in reference 9 and wiruk is aware of this.The user wiruk is Rob Juarez and he is using Wikipedia to elevate his importance in the band. He is a touring member of the band and is not an original member.Musicwerks (talk) 06:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

As I stated to you, I added the information. If the name dispute has been resolved, please provide a source. The Pollstar ref (presently #9) indicates Floreale and Juarez are still in dispute; however, that article is a few months old, and I was not able to find newer information. I see from your contribution history that you claim to be a founding member of the band; I urge you to read the guidelines at Wikipedia:Autobiography, with regard to editing articles that concern yourself. Thank you. - Salamurai (talk) 10:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I'm not very Wikipedia savvy and cannot work out how to add reference sources. The link that would confirm the name change dispute in the US is http://www.houseofblues.com/tickets/eventdetail.php?eventid=68818 but I don't know how to reference this on the page. Can you help ?Thanks again Musicwerks (talk) 14:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

That's not a news source, it's a concert sales page, which doesn't meet source criteria as I understand it. I do see that it lists "Clive Farrington and Andrew Mann - formerly of When In Rome" which the Pollstar article notes F/M has to use, but that doesn't confirm the dispute is legally resolved. - Salamurai (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

September 30th, 2011

Can you please moderate the page. You will see that the bands history is being continually recreated without verifiable references and it is being used to promote the When In Rome UK version. I am an original member of the band, My professional name is Michael Floreale (Musicwerks). My given name is Michael Nuttall but this name has never been used professionally nor is it even mentioned in any referenced material on the page and is just another example of ex member vandalism. I have tried to uphold the principles of Wikipedia by maintaining the bands history with the truth through verifiable sources but as you can see WIRUK and THEWIR are intent on changing facts. They are not respecting the values that Wikipedia expect from it's contributors Musicwerks (talk) 16:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

October 02nd, 2011

I acknowledge your notice to me regarding the continuous changes being made to the page. I am trying to maintain factual input and respect the Wikipedia values, however, as you can see that since your notice to me, Farrington and Mann, WIRUK has continued to alter your contributions. I have reverted the page back to your last edits but WIRUK has, and will continue to revert back to their version which is not a true and verifiable version but mischief making and self serving Musicwerks (talk) 21:47, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

That's called edit warring. I stopped making changes because of it. This is obviously becoming a problem and I do not wish to become involved. I suggest using Template:Help or Template:Admin help (follow the instructions at the links) to see about help from someone with more authority and/or about getting the page protected (see WP:SEMI). There are a lot of policies that affect this sort of thing, I am not conversant with them all, I don't think I can help anymore. Sorry for the problems you are experiencing, hopefully you can get the assistance needed. - Salamurai (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

When In Rome dispute notes from Farrington & Mann

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HI_xFQWiYU&ob=av2e You will see in the above link that Clive Farrington and Andrew Mann are the original writer / founder / vocalists for When In Rome. Why was the When In Rome band site not blocked from editing on the truth page that I edited last? It is so ridiculous that an ex member of the band has trademarked the name in order to prevent us from working with a name that we created and founded? However, this trademark is for live purposes only. If we cannot see that I, Clive Farrington is telling the truth, then can I please ask that the false site is taken down completely? This is the only resolve in this very unfair situation. Why would any band for instance list past members? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of unless you are Whitesnake or AC/DC! Because the information in the edit that Wiki has decided to protect is for the most part false, can we please ask for the whole page to be removed? M. Nuttall has been selling his none original version of WIR to the ticket buying public as the original act which we find implorable! Please be assured that we are grown up people and have absolutely no reason to tell anything but the truth... Thank you and please look at the info that's already out there. Many fans are so disappointed that they paid money to see the M. Floreale non original version and in essence were duped... Please be aware that Rob Juarez has nothing to do with the edits, because even he wasn't there in my parents garden shed when we wrote The Promise (all verifiable facts) - Clive Farrington and Andrew Mann - When In Rome — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.211.182 (talk • contribs) 15:54, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

A) re: trademark: The Pollstar article says "Floreale moved to the States, where in 2006 he put together a new band, also called When In Rome, and trademarked the name for use in the U.S." If that is inaccurate, you should be talking to Pollstar for a retraction or correction, which can then be incorporated.

B) re: accuracy: When I was asked by some anonymous editor to check on the page in a previous edit war, I personally researched and checked the information in the article, it's all in the references, and as correct as possible from available sources. If you want to dispute the truth of the sources, please check them and comment on the article's talk page. If you want it rewritten, that's another thing. How it is written is based on reading the articles in the sources, some of which is band member commentary (which yourself has been involved in) and while I always try to be neutral, using biases info may make it incorrect or inaccurate. Discuss it on the talk page - since it's a page about you, you really shouldn't be editing it.

C) re: past members: It's an encyclopedia, not a place to advertise yourself. Band pages reflect history, as well as current events, which is why bands that have changed lineups usually have listings of past members. See The Temptations or Green Day or The Damned (band) (which doesn't list ex members in the infobox, they are further down the article) or Duran Duran - or another one-hit wonder like yourselves, Right Said Fred. The Beatles article lists their past members.

D) Re: being out of the music biz: That's based on the following statement by Andrew Mann in information submitted by Clive Farrington at this website (which is cited in the article).

Andrew: “Apart from When in Rome we’ve both been getting on with our lives outside of songwriting. Clive has a 9 year old daughter, Saskia, so he’s been busy! I’ve been doing some acting and I am director of a casting agency in London – It was inevitable that we would again be talking of studios & touring with When in Rome”

So if you want to dispute your own statements feel free. If it's been misconstrued, that's another thing; however, see next note.

E) re: asking me to make changes or delete the article: I am no longer getting involved in your edit war/dispute over the encyclopedia article about yourselves, which you shouldn't even be editing in the first place. If you still have issues about the article, please contact an administrator via your talk page (make sure to be logged in this time), see Template:Admin help. I will not be making ANY changes to When in Rome (band) in the future, I have removed it from my watchlist.

Thank you for your time, I look forward to not hearing any more about your dispute or your band(s) in the future. - Salamurai (talk) 00:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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Edit war

Folks: it's pretty clear that at least two people are warring over this article. I think it's time you discussed here rather than continue to revert. I have no idea what the actual situation with the band(s) is, but I suspect the answer is to include both line-ups and a lot more sources. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Six months on, and the band members are still trying to use the Wikipedia article about their band as a surrogate for their own arguments, against Wikipedia rules for autobio and using multiple accounts. Remarkably unprofessional and childish behavior. - Salamurai (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 September 2012

Floreale's version of When In Rome has only completed two concerts since obtaining the name trademark. When In Rome UK also known as "Clive Farrington and Andrew Mann formerly of When In Rome" has been touring extensively in 2012 including being on the bill for several Lost 80's Live concerts. Jimigo (talk) 00:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done: I'm not exactly sure what you want changed, and what you want it changed to, please format your request like that. Also please provide reliable sources to support the changes you want made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment from User talk:Callanecc

The following was left on my talk page - I'm moving it here so everyone else knows what's going on.

Hi Callanecc:

The above named page is unbelievably biased towards a band that contains only the keyboard player from the original lineup. He has fraudulently trademarked the name 'When In Rome' in order to attempt to stop the original vocalist writers from performing.

Please also see Facebook page which totally repeats the Wiki page and again, unbelievably lists the fraudulent website of an ex member. Please see: http://www.facebook.com/pages/When-in-Rome/112746302071825?fref=ts

As you may know, we are in dispute with the ex member who was terminated from When In Rome in 1991. Please can I ask that you ether replace the non-official website on the FB site to: www.wheninromeofficial.com or if you feel it more fair and appropriate, please list no website at all.

When In Rome are still touring through 2012 and 2013 with original vocalists, Clive Farrington and Andrew Mann so the reference "were an English new wave trio" is totally misleading. Current members of the official When In Rome are: Clive Farrington, Andrew Mann and Rob Juarez. Please can I ask that you take this bias away and lets try to be neutral?

Thank you for all your help with this and I look forward to a fairer representation on Wiki and FB.

Kindest Regards

Clive Farrington - When In Rome — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimigo (talk • contribs) 02:03, 14 October 2012‎ (UTC+11)

We can't change the version shown on Facebook directly - but I think it updates to the page every now and them. I have moved the link to http://www.wheninromemusic.net to the see also section in good faith. I've commented out (it can only be viewed when editing the page) "were an English new wave trio". To do anything with the current members of the band I'm going to need a reliable source which corroborates what you've said. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Callunecc!

The page is still heavily biased considering the original vocalists are in the studio writing new songs in California. They have also released a new album 'Across The Blue Ocean'. Floreale was released from the band in 1991 and the band toured Brazil without him in 1992. The band never announced retirement or that they had broken up. Floreale has fraudulently trademarked the name because we were not informed of his intention to trademark. We did oppose, stating that we were still active, yet USTPO still gave Floreale the trademark. This has made it very difficult for us to perform and tour. Floreale has threatened all of our show promoters and club owners with law suits should they allow us to perform. We cannot understand why unverified comments are made on the Wiki site?

Thank you and hope we can get the unbiased page soon…

Clive Farrington - When In Rome — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimigo (talk • contribs) 15:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2016

When In Rome was reformed in 2006 with Jayden Frost as vocalist. John Ceravollo replaced Jayden Frost in 2007 not 2006.

Jaydenfrostofficial (talk) 17:46, 29 March 2016 (UTC) In 2006, Michael Floreale reformed when in rome with vocalist JAYDEN FROST in Dallas, TX. After recording Jayden Frost's album BLUE together in 2005, Frost was contacted by a booking agency in California about putting When In Rome back together with Frost as the new vocalist. Michael Floreale and Jayden Frost would perform as When In Rome the entire year of 2006 across the US and Mexico with other 80's acts.

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2017

Please change the name Chris Willet to Chris Willett, it is misspelled (I am Chris Willett, the drummer for When In Rome II). Thanks! Cwillett77 (talk) 08:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Done I don't know why no one else caught this, even though the infobox had it correct. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 08:50, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2022

Derrick Gyles (talk) 02:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add Derrick Gyles Drums to When IN Rome UK, been playing with them since 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derrick Gyles (talk • contribs) 02:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ARandomName123 (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

When In Rome UK

please can we get this page edited in line with actualities? There are a few discrepancies. The original founders, Clive n Andrew (When In Rome uk) are listed below wir2?? We are still active and touring and about to release a brand new album without The Promise on it! Please contact mefor full new edit and news. Thank you so much. 2603:8000:303:B8C6:B5A6:B822:E3DA:F599 (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Brand new update

Farrington-Mann, When In Rome UK have signed a major deal with Sonic Envy Records, Toronto, Canada, with imminent new album release. They have re-recorded The Promise and have a new single out now called 2FixUs. Tracks have been mixed by AL Judd (DEVO, Above & Beyond, The Fixx, Josh Bowman and Nick Jackson (THE FIXX). 2FixUs single and dance mix, The Promise, dance mix were remixed by Herb Cabral in the Philippines and mastered by Justin Smith at WEA. The video for 2FixUs was shot at Okada Resort, Manila and the island of Boracay. 2603:8000:303:B8C6:AAE:371:5B8E:9981 (talk) 01:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Band line up, as of now is:

Clive Farrington - Vocals

Andrew Mann - Vocals

Pancho Burgos - MD/Keyboards/Vocals

Derrick Gyles - Drums/Vocals (Also: Images in Vogue)

Mara Hitner - Vocals

Flint Mavis - Guitar

This is the lineup for the 80's Cruise 2024 from Port Canaveral, FLA. Efren Ramirez (Vote for Pedro!) will be on the cruise and will introduce When In Rome UK for their 2 sets! 2603:8000:303:B8C6:AAE:371:5B8E:9981 (talk) 01:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Band Member Section

Could you also, please fix the members section to show WHEN IN ROME UK above WIR2. This makes sense, give that the 2 original vocalists (with hair envy) are in WHEN IN ROME UK. THANK YOU. 2603:8000:303:B8C6:AAE:371:5B8E:9981 (talk) 01:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)