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Comments[edit]

I deleted a claim added in 2005 by 141.158.126.240 that "Sublime Porte" was French for "lofty gate"; this is certainly not the case.

The article equates "Bab-ı Ali" with "High Porte", which makes sense as "Ali" means "high" in Arabic. Now, presumably the High Porte vs. Sublime Porte distinction existed not just in English but in Turkish as well. So what is the actual Turkish word corresponding to "Sublime Porte"? --Saforrest (talk) 15:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Ali" means "high, lofty, sublime", so Sublime Porte is just a translation of Bab-ı Ali. This article is wrong on many counts. The Sublime Porte refers to the Grand Vizier's offices, not the Palace.(Jpiccone (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bab Ali and Babi Humayan[edit]

I am confused. There are references in books and on the web to the famous Sublime Porte being the Babi Humayan and showing a phtograph of an entirely different gate (see Panoramio[[1]]) to the one shown in the Article. Comments, please Shaibalahmar (talk) 06:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

yes, this contradicts what I personally know, every Turk knows and what is stated in Turkish Wikipedia (Vikipedi). the Sublime Porte refers to the 19th century seat of Ottoman Government, which is near Topkapi palace but not at Topkapi palace. the Sublime Porte is now occupied bythe Istanbul governor's office.

Ybgursey (talk) 22:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 05 February 2014[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman Porte → Sublime Porte – The more common name. Srnec (talk) 16:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

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Strong support I have never come across "Ottoman Porte" in years of readings; "Ottoman government", yes, but always "Sublime Porte" or, simply, "the Porte". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 12 February 2014‎
Support. Yes, Sublime Porte is most definitely the common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:41, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

For evidence, see this Ngram. Srnec (talk) 16:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Disambiguation[edit]

Article needs disambiguation. Sublime Porte also refers to a musical compilation by the same name, Voix d'Istanbul, published by Jordi Savall. Reference: http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/performers/savall.html recording number 180 in 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.51.38.60 (talk) 01:58, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hardly, since this is the clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, Necrothesp. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Is that compilation even notable enough to have its own article? bobrayner (talk) 15:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]