Talk:St Peter's, Kent

Requested move 29 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved. per the evidence presented, and Jellyman's analysis, there is consesnsus to move.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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St Peters, Kent → St Peter's, Kent – I participated in an email discussion with the official town clerk of St Peter's, whereby she confirmed "The correct use should always have an apostrophe before the s - St. Peter’s"[sic] - as per British naming customs the full stop should still be left out. I can provide a full copy of / forward the email in question if need be. JoshTilley (talk) 13:53, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose The town clerk is no doubt correct in her account of the local authority's preferred naming for the town. However, the policy at WP:AT prefers the commonly used name, which is not necessarily the official name. So I oppose this move unless there is persuasive evidence that the apostrophised form reflect common usage. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:07, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl, the previous article title was decided on by one person in 2008. I have photo evidence of official buildings in St Peter's using the apostrophe in their building name / title, as such as the town community halls here - alongside this, the official website for the St Peter's Parish Church also uses the apostrophe, as does this page for Visit Kent's St Peter's Village Tour, which is the official website for Kent County. Furthermore, a local dentist's website, British History Online, and a local primary school use the apostrophe.

While I do agree that the apostrophe is problematic in the case of St Peter's, I think that this can be attributed to a possible lack of awareness of the specific use of grammar in the name, and I believe the apostrophe most definitely falls within common usage. JoshTilley (talk) 03:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Josh, much of what you cite there could be regarded as official usage. What we really need is not your belief, but evidence of common usage in independent reliable sources. The BHO county history is a good example, but as a lone piece it doesn't demonstrate commonality. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

That's fair enough, this is my first title move so I'm going to be a little rusty. I'm hoping these will be deemed reliable sources, so we have these articles from local newspapers showcasing the apostrophe: Kent Live, ditto, a continuation of the previous article's subject, ditto, Kent Live again, ditto, ditto, ditto, as well as stories from the Kent Online here, and here. kentnews.co.uk, Many more articles using the apostrophe can be found on Kent Live, which covers Thanet district extensively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshTilley (talk • contribs) 11:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

• Support: Plenty official and third party evidence has now been produced in support of the move. Additionally, "St Peter's" is also the version used on Ordnance Survey maps. It's only fair to point out that "St Peters" is used for the name of the Thanet council ward, oddly enough, so both versions are viable; but "St Peter's" does seem to be more widespread in official and popular usage. Jellyman (talk) 10:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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