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Biased reporting of sovereign citizen beliefs[edit]
I question why the addition of the far left groups such as ANTIFA and BLM were conveniently left out of this report. This article clearly targets and depicts white conservatives as the main culprits and believers, all the while both ANTIFA and BLM were shutting out and denouncing the police and the overall respect for our laws. 174.231.208.195 (talk) 18:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have reliable sources that connect antifa or blm to the sovereign citizen movement? Schazjmd(talk) 18:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this person has gone astray and may be criticizing our content about January 6, 2021. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you're saying BLM/antifa/ACAB rhetoric led to the SovCit movement, I think there is a timing problem. —Tamfang (talk) 22:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless they're talking about time travel or backwards causation? TarnishedPathtalk 10:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's no longer "mainly based in the United States"[edit]
This is clearly old information, it is present in many countries around the world and it's misleading to portray otherwise. 2601:201:8B81:FA80:50EB:1CC4:BE38:BCC (talk) 03:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, what's happened is that groups in other countries have adopted some of the SovCit's talking points (even when it doesn't apply, like First Amendment arguments). Those groups still have their own histories and political stances, they've just mashed SovCit tactics & talking points into their own agendas. That's documented in this article. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 11:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, so it's completely misleading to say "based mainly in the United States". It should say "originated in the United States"
I'm guessing these edits were made by a non-American in an attempt to downplay other nations involvement. Just a guess 2601:201:8B81:FA80:F45A:6F43:BEE9:AAA6 (talk) 04:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You'd need to provided reliable sources for that. I know that in Australia (where I'm from), groups which make pseudo-legal commercial arguments, object to being called "sovereign citizens". TarnishedPathtalk 10:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked some other language versions of this article (French, Polish, Swedish and German). With the exception of the German Reichsburger movement there doesn't seem to be any groups that pose a threat, engage in armed conflict or engage in "paper terrorism" like members of the US sovereign citizen movement do. I have not found any warnings from the national law enforcement agencies specifically about the local groups, again with the exception of the Reichburger movement. So I agree with the statement in the article that this is mainly a US thing. Sjö (talk) 11:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know the groups here, prop up in the news everyone now and then when one of them refuses to hand their driver's licence to a cop when the get pulled over and it always results in the cop smashing their windows and dragging them from the cars. I've received some of their letters as part of my job, but it's nothing like the US. I agree it's mainly a US thing. TarnishedPathtalk 11:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. Both my review of the sources (which matters) and my personal experience (which doesn't) tells me that "mainly based in the U.S." is correct, though the ideas are definitely spreading. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 15:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing these edits were made by
Imma stop you right there. Don't go speculating people are editing in a biased manner on purpose without clear evidence of wrongdoing. Making unproven assertions like that is a personal attack. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 12:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]