Talk:Shaurya Doval

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This article was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:

Keep, 2 September 2021, see discussion.
Delete, 11 July 2021, see discussion.
Delete, 18 April 2018, see discussion.

Draft created after deletion review[edit]

@K.e.coffman and S Marshall: given this deletion review I'd appreciate extra eyes on the draft. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the invitation. I'm not sure that it's right to say Shaurya Doval is a politician? -- I think he's a businessman primarily, who's making early steps to break into politics. Let's say, charitably, that the sources seem to be about his political ambitions rather than his political achievements.—S Marshall T/C 16:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notability assessment[edit]

Reliable sources based on this assessment where possible

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Curb Safe Charmer
Center for American Progress	Text probably provided by Doval		One paragraph profile	✘ No
The Economic Times	? The Economic Times is part of the same group of publications as WP:TOI; could be a paid piece	Well researched piece; no reason to believe anything in the article isn't factual; quotes Doval but remains balanced	Extensive article about Doval	? Unknown
The Wire #1			Substantial investigative journalism piece on the think-tank which Doval heads, 14 of the 34 paragraphs featuring analysis of how it interacts with Doval's business interests or how he justifies its funding and having ministers on the board	✔ Yes
Financial Express			The article is about Doval's think tank, but doesn't tell us anything about Doval - just a mention	✘ No
DOC Research Institute	Institute that Doval is involved with; text no doubt provided by Doval		Brief bio	✘ No
Torch Investment	His own company's website	No reason to doubt any of the statements made in his bio, which are to be found in numerous other sources	Very brief profile	✘ No
The Guardian			Source of stats on Maddison Square Garden event, no mention of Doval	✘ No
Indian Express #1		WP:INDIANEXP	11 paragraphs about his attendance at a BLP meeting and whether he would stand for election	✔ Yes
Dainik Jagran		Per assessment at User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media#Dainik Jagran	Just a mention	✘ No
Jansatta #1			News story on Doval's poster campaign, tour of the region and reaction of his political party	✔ Yes
Indian Express #2		WP:INDIANEXP	Article about candidacy for the Pauri Garhwal seat in the general election - one paragraph of which states that Doval had been vying for the seat and referencing his campaign	✘ No
Hindustan Times		User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media#Hindustan Times casts a little doubt, but this piece seems perfectly reliable - the same is reported in the other newspapers	A ten-paragraph news article entirely about Doval, giving secondary analysis and reactions on his stepping into party politics	✔ Yes
Amar Ujala	Not intellectually independent - based on an article in the Hindustan Times	User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media#Amar Ujala		✘ No
Jansatta #2			Just a mention	✘ No
The Hindu #1			Five short paragraphs that verify that Doval was allocated a security detail for a couple of months around the time of India's general election	✘ No
The Wire #2	Article remains highly suspicious of Doval's activities		Substantial investigative journalism piece	✔ Yes
The Quint	Tertiary coverage of the exclusive story that was published in The Wire. Not intellectually independent			✘ No
The Caravan			Substantial piece of investigative journalism (30 paragraphs) exploring the "complex web of Asia-based companies that are intertwined with his brother’s ventures in the UK and the Cayman Islands"	✔ Yes
The Hindu #2		WP:THEHINDU	About his brother. Shaurya Doval is not mentioned.	✘ No
Indian Express #3		WP:INDIANEXP	About his brother. Shaurya Doval is not mentioned.	✘ No
Indian Express #4		WP:INDIANEXP	News story on Doval's poster campaign, tour of the region and reaction of his political party (similar to the Jansatta coverage)	✔ Yes
Eisenhower Fellowships	but WP:PRIMARY source		useful to confirm he was awarded the fellowship, but little content	✘ No
Chandigarh University #1	but WP:PRIMARY source		After Doval's speech, at 30 minutes in, the chancellor speaks of Doval in glowing terms but the description of his career and contribution to society is based on the same text used elsewhere, and may well have been provided, or at least reviewed by, Doval.	✘ No
Chandigarh University #2	but WP:PRIMARY source		confirms that the award was made, but otherwise is Doval expressing his own opinions	✘ No
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I have assessed that the subject passes WP:GNG due to significant and sustained coverage (2017-2020) in multiple reliable, independent publications. The draft was rewritten from the previous ones that were deleted and I don't think any content in this version is promotional. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another respected AfC reviewer Timtrent has provided his view on this analysis. Aside from the sources we agree on, he made the following observations:

He disagreed that The Wire #1 was SIGCOV - more about the foundation rather than the man
He disagreed that Indian Express #1 was SIGCOV - too speculative
He disagreed that Jansatta #1 was sigcov
Hindustan Times - uncertain
The Caravan - more about his brother
Indian Express #4 - too much of Doval's views

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Curb Safe Charmer I'm grateful for your concise summary. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 20:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My full commentary may be found in this permalink should anyone wish to examine my thinking further. As I say there, I do not pretend to be correct. I just have my opinion to go on when comparing the references with what I believe we need to show that the article should be kept.. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 20:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Potential references[edit]

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

"All I am interested in is social service, says Shaurya Doval". Hindustan Times. 2018-08-12. Retrieved 2021-09-14. (May have been dropped as a reference previously?)
Sengupta, Uttam (2018-12-01). "What was the 'personal favour' done to the NSA in Dubai?". National Herald. Retrieved 2021-12-09.

Remove speedy[edit]

I removed the speedy, given that the article has come through the draft process and the other comments and reviews on the talk page. This subject does not qualify for WP:G4. Jeepday (talk) 11:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It has also been at AFD at least two times. Including just last month and been deleted each time. THis article should be deleted and SALTED....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:05, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear William Yes, it was deleted previously. But then, after discussions with other Wikipedians, I was asked to write a draft which would be closely assessed. If you could read the talk page and the 2nd Deletion Nomination, you can find out the details. Ht24 (talk) 12:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

Please share the reason for putting a speedy deletion tag on this article. I tried to write this as per the instructions from various Wikipedia editors and was approved by Curb Safe Charmer. He helped me understand Wikipedia policies and the rules to follow for drafting a new article.

Please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shaurya_Doval. Thanks! Ht24 (talk) 12:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Media scrutiny[edit]

I've reinstated the following statement made in the lead section after Nolopassaro99 had deleted it: "Doval and his organisation have attracted media scrutiny due to their growing influence, opaque funding and ties to some of India cabinet ministers." I have added two references to support the statement, per the WP:MINREF and MOS:CITELEAD guidelines. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:51, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Mishaal bin Abdullah Al Saud[edit]

@Kunal9584: please explain your repeated removal of the statement "Torch Investment (previously known as Zeus Caps), a company chaired by Saudi Prince Mishaal bin Abdullah Al Saud." from the article? It is cited to Torch Investment's website, which clearly shows the prince as a member of the supervisory board. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]