Talk:Shandong

(Bohai role)

corrected "Shanxi borders the Bohai Bay to the north" to "Shandong borders the Bohai Bay to the north"
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Spelling

Why is the first word of the article spelled "Shangdong" instead of "Shandong"? Badagnani 03:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Answer:The chinese name of "ShandongProvice" is "山东省" which spells as "Shan Dong Sheng"（113） in chinese. "Shangdong" is a wrong spelling. [Joshny] 20061012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.80.186.34 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

黃縣

Is there any district called 黃縣 in Shandong? I could not find 黃縣 in the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.180.224 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Wen River?

Is there a Wen River in Shandong? Badagnani 04:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Taishan Mountains or Mt. Tai?

This article mentions the "Taishan Mountains", but references Mt. Tai. On Google, I found many instances of "Taishan Mountains", but they all seem to be talking about "Mt. Tai", not a range of mountains. Should "Taishan Mountains" be changed to "Mt. Tai"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wakablogger~enwiki (talk • contribs) 20:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

"Taishan" is the romanization of the Chinese characters “泰山”. The character "shan" means mountain, so a literal English translation would be "Mt. Tai", while "Taishan Mountain" would imply "Mt. Tai Mountain". The Wikipedia article on "Taishan" is titled "Mount Tai". I recommend referring to it was "Mt. Tai (Taishan)" in the first occurrence of the name and then linking it to the page on "Mount Tai".Davidyz (talk) 17:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Who controlled it in 1939

Was Shandong controlled by the Reformed Government of the Republic of China or the Provisional Government of the Republic of China? Oberiko (talk) 18:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit history problem

Many and perhaps all of the old revisions from 18 January 2005 thru 1 May 2005 are displayed as blank, despite far too many edits, and far too many credible edit summaries to the contrary, for that to be accurate. If this is seen by someone who can state that there is a known problem that this should be assumed to be an instance of, please do so here. If the condition continues and is not so explained, the matter should be raised at VPT.
--Jerzy•t 18:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Garlic production

Am I right to suggest that the Shangdong Province (singlehandedly) produces more garlic that the rest of this world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.134.28.194 (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

you are not right to suggest it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.54.72 (talk) 22:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

It is incorrect. Although garlic is popular,it is produced less than other related items such as corn or rice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.56.26 (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Garlic production in China links here yet this article doesn't even touch on garlic production. Something needs to be done. (Wonton) (talk) 19:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I have addressed this garlic issue. I understand that it has been a pressing matter for you all. Kamakou (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Translation

I have added in text. One could say that Shandong can be translated practically into "East of the mountains". However, "East Mountain" is just as correct. It is located in the Far east of China, and is well known for its numerous mountains — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.56.26 (talk) 20:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

On reflection, east of the mountains does not make complete sense, however, I have left it in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.56.26 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

History/Proposed change

WOuld like to suggest a possible alteration of a point in this section. It states that "In recent years Shandong, especially eastern Shandong, has enjoyed significant economic development, becoming one of the richest provinces of the People's Republic of China" . East Shandong covers a large area and there are still large areas of poverty. I am from Eastern Shandong, and would argue that the majority of people have not seen a drastic rise in their fortunes, either in their pocket or on a larger scales. There are a lot of farmers, and many people would have a monthly salary which would be lower than the Chinese average. Although there has been a sharp rise in infrastructure, quality of roads et etc, the lives of most citizens remain largely unchanged. I was there recently, and the fundamentals were mainly the same as they were when I left 8 years ago.

Although I would agree that some parts of Eastern Shandong, and some people have experienced a booom, the fact that most still struggle to make a living supports the argument that the statement I highlighted is incorrect

Would like peer agreement either way — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.56.26 (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation: fabric

There's a type of silk fabric called Shantung, and Shantung currently redirects here. There should probably be a redirect. Audiosqueegee (talk) 02:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

More on mountains

The article mentions " Taishan Mountains, Lushan Mountains, and Mengshan Mountains" but each of these appears to be a single mountain, not multiple mountains. Googling for Lushan Mountains results in pages talking about Mount Lushan and the same with Mengshan Mountains.ChangMei (talk) 21:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I found a book that seems to clear this up. On page 302 of Landscape and power in early China: the crisis and fall of the Western Zhou, 1045-771 BC, each of these "mountains" appears to be a range. On page 303, is says:

The Cambrian-Ordovician rock mass was cut by a series of major parallel faults running northeast or northwest, leaving six mountain ranges: the Taishan, Lushan 魯山, Yishan 沂山 ranges in the north, and the Motianling 摩天嶺, Mengshan 蒙山, and Nishan 尼山 ranges in the south.⁷ Most of these mountains are characterized by their exposed rocky surfaces, very different from the mountains and hills we see in northwestern China. Between these mountain ranges, the deep valleys provide three ideal channels for transportation through the region: the upper Dawen 大汶 River fault in the north between Taishan and Taipingding 太平頂-Lushan; the upper Si 泗 River and Beng 祊 River fault in the southwest between the Mengshan and Nishan ranges; and the upper Shu 沭 River valley in the southeast between the Yishan and the Wulianshan 五連山 ranges.

I would appreciate it if someone could check the character 沭 as it looks wrong. ChangMei (talk) 21:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

山東軍興紀略: 22卷 military annals of shandong

http://books.google.com/books?id=NkgrAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Title 山東軍興紀略: 22卷 山東軍興紀略: 22卷 Publisher 申報館, 1879 Original from Harvard University Digitized Aug 14, 2008 Subjects China

http://books.google.com/books?id=w4nCegXiJooC&pg=PA74#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 13:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Zaotang

We could really use some great photos and video of Zaotang-making. If anyone is in Shandong and knows about this, please take a trip there. Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:20, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Education and other bullet point sections

Do we have to list every high school and university in a bullet format? I am all for bullet points, but I think it is not suitable for an encyclopedia. I would like to take the university names and write something about them in a paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleverwater (talk • contribs) 06:20, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Qingdao vs Jinan on being the largest city in Shandong

@Poutine99: I do not understand the sources where you are getting where Jinan is the largest city in Shandong. If we look at the China Urban Construction Statistical Yearbook 2017 Urban Population and Urban Temporary Population, which in Wikipedia is represented by the Template:Most populous cities in the People's Republic of China shows Qingdao on top of Jinan, with a population of 4,458,300 compared to Jinan's 4,040,000. If we want to compare through their infoboxes of the respective articles, Jinan's urban population is 4,693,700 while Qingdao's urban population is 5,930,000. If you want to talk about metropolitan areas, then maybe Jinan has some leverage over Qingdao, but we are not talking about the metropolitan area but the city itself. Sources: http://www.mohurd.gov.cn/xytj/tjzljsxytjgb/jstjnj/w02019012421874448287322500.xls - Josephua (talk) 04:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Josephua: Hi, you mentioned that the source I provided is not reliable because it is a file needed to download, so I find a web version of a previous document(2015 years). The link is "https://wenku.baidu.com/view/b89596bc0875f46527d3240c844769eae009a300.html?from=search". The data can be found on page 45. The Urban population in Jinan is 3000 thousand and the number of Qingdao is 2987.6 thousand. Please have a look. Please correct the web content if I convince you, please contact with me if not.Poutine99 (talk) 15:18 Thursday, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

@Poutine99:Fair, I reverted back my changes, but try to be more communicative and make your point in the talk page before making any edits. By keeping reverting people's edits and implementing your own, even if you're doing this out of good faith, you can get accused of edit warring so be careful. I suggest you read it when having editing conflicts with other Wikipedia editors. Good luck. - Josephua (talk) 15:41, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Poutine99:I will also have to add that the Jinan and Qingdao articles have Qingdao's population higher than Jinan's, contradicting the infobox of this article, so you should address it. - Josephua (talk) 15:48, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Josephua:Thank you for your reminder, and I will be careful in the future. Yes, it is the truth that the total population in Qingdao(9.3 million) is higher than the total population in Jinan(8.8 million), but the data in Linyi is 11.1 million, which is exact the highest number of the population in Shandong province by cities. Consequently, the city which has the largest population in Shandong province is Linyi in terms of total population.Poutine99 (talk) 16:03 Thursday, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

@Poutine99: And urban population? Qingdao's is still higher (Qingdao's 5,930,000 vs Jinan's 4,693,700), but probably because Jinan's urban population is not based off of 2018 but years prior. - Josephua (talk) 16:08, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Josephua:Hi, the data(3000 thousand and 2987.6 thousand) is Urban Population. You can find it on right-top corner of the first page. All data in this column is Urban Population in 2015. In fact, the data from file "http://www.mohurd.gov.cn/xytj/tjzljsxytjgb/jstjnj/w02019012421874448287322500.xls" is the newest official data(2017). Although we cannot use it as a source in wikipedia, we can have a look as a reference. What is more, could you please tell me where did you get the data(Qingdao's 5,930,000 and Jinan's 4,693,700)Poutine99 (talk) 16:25 Thursday, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

@Poutine99: Qingdao's urban population (2018) in the infobox has a source on page 91 of http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf. Jinan's number does not have a ref next to it in the infobox however but the source that I gave states that Jinan's urban pop is 3,990,000. - Josephua (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

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