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Background	1,789	15,808
Reasons for the conflict	33	14,019
Identity	8,831	8,831
History of the war	5,155	5,155
Information operations	29	92,288
Censorship	4,666	4,666
Cyberwarfare	19	4,006
Telecommunications	3,987	3,987
Internet infrastructure	2,666	2,666
War propaganda	21,275	21,275
Control of news outlets	88	24,973
Public relations	2,887	2,887
Ukraine	10,909	10,909
Russia	3,559	7,353
RT	3,794	3,794
Russian interference with Ukrainian media	3,736	3,736
Methods and resources	30	34,673
Disinformation	2,268	16,685
Falsehood and adamant denial	582	14,417
2014	2,725	2,725
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17	5,426	5,426
2022	5,684	5,684
Tropes	5,717	5,717
Social media	1,870	12,241
Access to social media	2,539	2,539
Attempts to censor Russian Wikipedia	7,832	7,832
Timeline	16	48,837
2014	3,056	23,256
February 2014	5,274	5,274
March 2014	2,294	2,294
April 2014	4,085	4,085
April–May 2014: Sloviansk	426	426
May 2014 - Ukrainians attack	3,031	3,031
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October	1,512	1,512
December	690	690
2015	13	5,145
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2016	1,935	1,935
2017	736	736
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Zelenskyy	8,025	12,884
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Picture with narrative of ukrainian nazi soldiers posing for a picture[edit]

This picture has been circulating social media:

https://twitter.com/kavin9587/status/1542631965739782144

with the narrative of saying that those are ukrainian nazi soldiers holding flags of the AZOV battalion, NATO and nazi austria.

Origin: Doing a reverse image search the original source on tineye the oldest i could find is this http://www.wykop.pl/ludzie/jast/ posted on 29/11/2014-EU with snapshot on 01/12/2014-EU showing the picture published on polish wykop.pl forum here https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/10331404/ukraina-ukrainainfo-5-piw-dla-chlopakow-poprosze

Analysis: Checking the picture against https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#forensic-magnifier it finds errors basically everywhere including manipulated flags, marking on the vehicles, etc..

https://i.imgur.com/PEII8pl.png

Looking closer on the knees of the soldiers you can see evidence of blending in a photo editing software

Thus concluded that the whole picture is fabricated with components taken from multiple photos to defame ukrainian army

-- Kreyren (talk) 09:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you. I will look into this. Elinruby (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence[edit]

The first sentences seems misleading. Yes, Gerasimov is known for being quoted by Mark Galeotti, but a "Russian concept of information war" has been around much longer. Jolanta Darczewska, for example, extensively quotes Igor Panarin, who wrote at least six books about information war in Russian between 2003 and 2012 (see The anatomy of Russian information warfare. The Crimean operation, a case study, p. 15, n. 8–9). In his 2012 book Information World War II – War against Russia he also wrote about that supposed "Western information war" that Galeotti attributed to Gerasimov. -- Anselm Schmidt (talk) 18:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is definitely incorrect. Gerasimov was not the first, although he is widely "credited" as main proponent of hybrid war in Russia. My very best wishes (talk) 02:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I know it's much later, but I haven't edited the article recently, although I am edging my way into updating it. This definitely should be fixed. Does either of you want to suggest a better wording? It is my understanding that Gerasimov actually said that the West does this to Russia, which should respond in kind. Thoughts? Elinruby (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Anselm Schmidt:, @My very best wishes:, it's been a while and you probably are not watching the page, so pinging Elinruby (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mention Russia's proposal in December 2021[edit]

This article does not seem to mention anything about Russia's proposal in December 2021 for ensuring a stable security situation in Europe.

references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_December_2021_ultimatum https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato 2601:647:6380:18B0:4963:3F5:F0D3:181A (talk) 05:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the proposals contain several points, such as:

A guarantee that NATO would not admit new members and that it would not deploy additional troops or weapons in the existing member states.

A revision of the 1997 NATO–Russia Founding Act, (which regulates the military activities and cooperation between NATO and Russia), and a withdrawal of NATO's war-fighting capabilities from the territories of the former Soviet Union.

A recognition of Russia's interests and role in ensuring stability in the post-Soviet space, and a respect for its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Calling a halt to the deployment of intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe, and a dialogue on strategic stability and arms control.

A reform of the OSCE to make it more representative, inclusive, and effective in addressing the security challenges and conflicts in Europe.

Despite a number of useful ideas, the article does not mention the suggested agreement - now why might that be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.141 (talk) 18:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: English 102 Section 5[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 3 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jweat24 (article contribs).

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