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Does anyone know where Rik Kenton is now?

andreasegde 12:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TC's best band ever removed[edit]

Seeing the contributor's history, this is probably vandalism. I checked google and could find no information. If this thing is true, a source is needed. --Pie.er 11:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is true i'm re adding!

Graham Simpson[edit]

a) Wasn't he a full member of the band for the first album? b) And I thought he left to become a Sufi rather than being fired?Humphrey20020 13:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I came to the talk page to ask the same question: was Graham Simpson considered a full member? Reading Both Ends Burning (Rigby) I get the impression he was (and even was working together with Ferry before any of the others came on the scene). M-1 01:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, he was a full member. In fact, he founded the band with Bryan Ferry. The eponymous first album has him as a fully fledged member in the sleeve notes.. Macgruder 15:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about this[edit]

"Roxy Music was one of the first rock groups who created and maintained a carefully crafted 'look' and style that included their stage presentation, music videos, album and single cover designs and promotional materials such as posters and badges." I do like these guys, but couldn't the same be said for earlier groups, such as the Beatles, Monkees etc? Smiloid 23:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rock bands copied Black bands that had costumes and routines. Nicmart (talk) 16:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roxy's Image[edit]

I agree that many other bands had carefully crafted images, and I see now that the point I ewas trying to make is a bit unclear in the text -- what I meant to say was that Roxy was one of the first bands who took control of every aspect of their image themselves. In the case of The Monkees, the production and record companiesy completely controlled and merchandised their image -- the band had very little say. In the case of The Beatles, it was largely under Epstein's control until 1967, with help from people like Derek Taylor and the various "court" photographers like Dezo Hoffman, Bob Whitaker et al. Although The Beatles hads some control over how they looked, it wasn't until after Epstein's death that they could wear whatever they want and dictate how albums looked -- events like the "Butcher cover" fiasco proved that they weren'ty always the best judges and didn't have ultimate say.

In Roxy's case, as far as I can see, Ferry pretty much had final say on virtually every aspect of the band's presentation and worked carefully on creating a 'total package' that included album covers, stage costumes etc etc.

Dunks 06:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

G'day mate. I don't see why you shouldn't rewrite a bit of the article to reflect that, however the assertions re. the differing amounts of control various bands had over their images (including Ferry with Roxy) should be cited. What you've said gels with what I understand but I don't have the references. Cheers, Ian Rose 07:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

== Brian Eno? ==

Since Brian Eno is apparently back in Roxy Music, performing on the album though not touring with the band, should he be moved from former members to current members? 98.220.43.195 (talk) 22:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair question. I haven't read any press about it but he could still be considered simply a 'guest' rather than a fully-fledged band member, even though he used be a part of them. I think you'd want to scrutinise what Ferry and Eno themselves say about it rather than assuming. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most successful era[edit]

The changed line-up reflected a distinct change in Roxy's musical approach. Gone were the jagged and unpredictable elements of the group's sound, giving way to smoother (some would say blander) musical arrangements. Rolling Stone panned Manifesto — "Roxy Music has not gone disco. Roxy Music has not particularly gone anywhere else either"[5] — as well as Flesh + Blood ("such a shockingly bad Roxy Music record that it provokes a certain fascination").[6] Later, with more sombre and carefully-sculpted soundscapes, the band's eighth — and, until their 21st-century reunion, final — album, Avalon (1982), was a major commercial success and restored the group's critical reputation (Rolling Stone: "Avalon takes a long time to kick in, but it finally does, and it's a good one.") The trio toured extensively until 1983, when Bryan Ferry dissolved the band and band members devoted themselves full time to solo careers (see below).

I can't believe this paragraph. This was Roxy's most successful period by far. There is no mention of the success of "Manifesto" or "Flesh + Blood" (the latter was their biggest selling album) but mentions bad reviews for them, giving the impression that the albums were a disaster. It then says "Avalon" was a major commercial success, yes it was - but no more than the previous two. Also no mention of "Jealous Guy", released in this period, the group's only No.1.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 01:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mythical "New Album"[edit]

Since the band has not released a new album since 1982, and the rumours from 2006 have borne no fruit, isn't it time to remove the section of the article claiming that a new album is on its way? Having speculation that is now 18 months old just looks silly anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.154.153 (talk) 06:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Greetings, about the band photo[edit]

I set the photo in the infobox on the article some time ago. [shrug] Within the last couple of years. I can't recall back then if in the infobox there was a spot that says Landscape= Normally, people with a portrait photo, do not use Landscape in placing photos; they just leave it blank. But, if the photo is small and wide, then please put Landscape=yes and the photo will be enlarged. I did this for the band photo and it is marginally improved. Just a note that may help with other photos. Also, there are other black and white photos throughout the Wikipedia all from Wikimedia Commons that I uploaded from the same photographer and they might benefit from your help! Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Roxy In The Rock Stakes", Richard Williams in Melody Maker, August 1971[edit]

I just spotted this via a tweet by Brian Eno (dark_shark). Eno believes this to be the first print mention of Roxy Music, which was called "Roxy" at the time and had just released a demo but had never played live. It's a Melody Maker article by rock music commentator Richard Williams.

I've no idea whether it's being used at the moment on this article or any of the related articles, but it might be worth incorporating for the detail on this early incarnation. --TS 13:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that twitter feed is an official Eno account, as it's associated with http://www.moredarkthanshark.org/ which is an unofficial site. interesting, nonetheless. --Kaini (talk) 23:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. I was misled by the name of the account: "Brian Eno". The "bio" section obviously refers to a specific website that, at first, I mistook for Eno's own. --TS 10:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Album cover art and the OGWT[edit]

Shouldn't this article about the band explore the artwork chosen for the album covers? Even as a kid, discovering the band, and enjoying the music, each album I bought in the early 1970s -- several consecutive albums, appeared to portray either a woman ravished or raped on the cover. I didn't read the entire article, as it is today, so maybe I overlooked mention of this, but I've wondered what that was all about. If there is any information on those choices, I believe the article could not come close to being complete without some exploration of those choices--referenced, of course! There must be some interviewer which posed such questions somewhere.

Also, somewhere in You Tube there is a discussion after the first performance of the band at the OGWT. I recall an interview in which the interviewer mentioned that they felt it was a risky venture to allow them to perform there, due to their costumes, sound, and, I think close to a quote was a comment, "they had an oboe player"! Perhaps it can be found someplace, preferably in print. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 03:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive rock group?[edit]

In a lot of books, and internet and magazine articles Roxy Music is listed as a progressive rock group. Why is that? Can't think of a group that matches this category worse. They're lightyears from Yes, Genesis and all those, musically.
Or is it things I have overlooked? They got a couple of longer and more experimental tracks on the two first albums, OK. (In Every Dreamhome A Heartache etc.) But not anymore so than any other rock band of their era. (Quite similar sounding David Bowie has never been branded as a prog rock artist). Or was they playing very long and experimental jams at their early 71-73 concert?
Needs feedback from the author of this article and maybe other readers too. Because the"prog rock label" is truely a mystery to me?
Stein S., Oslo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.128.106.111 (talk) 09:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Listening to "Ladytron" right now, and if you can't hear the prog rock aspects...well, you're deaf. It's got King Crimson and Yes all over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C08C:A6F0:21C:B3FF:FEC3:2572 (talk) 01:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It communicates with an audience, it has hooklines. Prog wilfullly refuses to communicate with an audience. 86.137.120.168 (talk) 12:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Prog wilfullly refuses to communicate with an audience." Amusing dig at prog, but it can't be quite right, since quite a few prog bands have sold millions of records and played full arenas or stadiums, therefore they must have been able to communicate with an audience! Rodericksilly (talk) 20:14, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pedantic debate, like so many. Nicmart (talk) 16:59, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible contradiction[edit]

This sentence in - "During early 2006, a lesser-known Roxy track, "The Main Thing", was remixed. . ." seems contradictory, especially as it is the first single release from "Avalon" and mentioned as successful at that time earlier in the article. Seems it should be "well known". Any thoughts?THX1136 (talk) 15:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since there was no further discussion, I did the edit and changed "lesser known" to "classic" for consistency as the track was described as such earlier.THX1136 (talk) 14:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all Wikipedia entries are hagiographical. Nicmart (talk) 17:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Signed without live experience?[edit]

I remember reading somewhere, many years ago, that they were signed in 1971/72 without ever having played a live gig, on the strength of just their visual concepts, the members' stylish looks and a demo tape, but perhaps that only referred to the debut album line-up with Manzanera and Thompson (who joined fairly late) - or else it was simply a fabrication. It was practically unheard of in the early seventies to sign a rock band that had zero live gigs behind them, unless it was a group created by some producers. 83.254.139.249 (talk) 20:22, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

They did play a smattering of gigs, mainly at parties and suchlike rather than slogging round the college circuit. They certainly had the reputation of being a band which had not paid its dues and furthermore took a twisted pride in that. This, combined with their upwardly mobile anti-authenticity aesthetic and an urban rumour that Davey O'List's stint with the band was just a publicity stunt designed to help them jump several rungs up the ladder by passing themselves off as the new project of an established musician, earned them the reputation of being a Hype among serious chin-stroking muso types such as Bob Harris which is what led to him slagging them off on OGWT. 165.225.81.100 (talk) 08:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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