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Far right[edit]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/far-right-shift-reform-uk-receives-record-breaking-votes-in-by-elections/ar-BB1inEv7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=b845245e9dd747c98cf2eaea4fa0fcea&ei=6 194.120.133.1 (talk) 19:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has already been had. But to reply to your source, the article is quite lacking and the term "Far-right" is only used in the title of the article. It doesn't refer to Reform UK itself as Far-right and in-fact twice calls it "Right-wing" if anything this source backs the status quo of the article. DontForgetJeff (talk) 00:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By-election results section[edit]

Should a section briefly summarising the party's by election performances be added or at least a mention of the Wellingborough and Kingswood by-elections due to Reform's more significant result in these ones? DontForgetJeff (talk) 00:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler[edit]

It shoulg be mentioned that this party is a huge spoiler against the Tories. --95.24.65.189 (talk) 03:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like to suggest some material we can cite? Bondegezou (talk) 09:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I got an article from The Guardian that mentions this, ‘Done with Labour and the Tories’: Reform UK attracts angry voters by Luke Tryl. Gonna make a mention on the basis of it. Brat Forelli🦊 07:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Page Modification[edit]

The most recent page modification seems to contain politically charged language and may possibly be in violation of NPOV and possibly OR. Assertions that the party is far right (by whom?) despite the label being rejected for usage when it has been suggested in the past for this article, and claims that Reform UK wishes to return Britain to “19th Century Victorian values”, oppose “the accepted norms of society” and believes its views “should be enforced throughout society” (have they said this? Where?) without adequate citations to support these claims. I do not mean to assume bad faith, but it does seem to take the least charitable interpretation of the policies, and seems to be specifically designed to “nudge” the reader to think or to perceive the party in a particular way. The only citations provided for these are Reform’s manifesto. Citing the manifesto when making claims like these is fundamentally inadequate evidence.

If there is evidence to back up these claims, that isn’t just an interpretation of the manifesto, this should be cited in the article. 2A00:23EE:1080:BDF0:21C2:4DDD:1BA0:E1BF (talk) 20:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right-wing populist in the opening of the article?[edit]

The article opens with "Reform UK is a right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom." as the characterization of the party. I find the use of the term "Populism" to be inconsistent with articles on other political parties in the UK or elsewhere, like the UK's Labour party or the US's Democratic and Republican party, which would fit the description for Left-wing populist or right-wing populist, and yet it is not mentioned in their wikipages' opening. I'm not sure how to approach this issue, whether the issue is with this wikipage or a broader issue with the term populism and its appropriation to different political parties. Removing the term populist from this article will make it consistent with other articles of political parties, but it will disregard the fact that there are clear populist elements to the party. Perhaps a change in phrasing along the lines of "Reform UK is a right wing political party in the United Kingdom." but including the party's populist aspect later on in the article would be the best solution? In-fact i'm not sure it is reasonable to characterize any party, right or left, as a populist party in the opening description of that party's article, though it is important to reference in the article. Casual readers will only read the first, opening paragraph and will characterize the party accordingly. Thewildshoe (talk) 15:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not you think this party fits the definition of a populist party doesn't matter. What reliable sources describe the party as does. Cortador (talk) 20:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've completely missed the point. Thewildshoe (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What we say on Wikipedia has to be based on what reliable sources say. If you want to suggest changes to this or other articles of this nature, you need to show how the weight of reliable sources supports your position. Populism is a standard term in political science. We have reliable sources routinely describing Reform UK as populist. I’ve not seen lots of reliable sources describing Labour or the Democrats in the US as populist. If you think there are reliable sources we’re overlooking, please suggest them here. Bondegezou (talk) 08:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant to the topic. I suggest you try reading the topic again and the clarification I just added. Thewildshoe (talk) 13:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: I'll repeat what i've said, since the 2 commentators have misunderstood what I wrote. The issue is not about whether or not Reform UK are right-wing populists. I've said that they clearly have right-wing populist elements.

The issue is about consistency with other articles, particularly about describing them as populists in the opening of the article, as is clearly written in the title of the topic I've started. I've explicitly suggested to simply move the their description as populists to other parts of the article.

Please try to keep the replies relevant to the topic I've started. Thewildshoe (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]