Talk:Prime Minister of Brazil

Timeline[edit]

Putting here to see if I'm editing it right, will put on the main page too or you guys can put it somewhere else.

Prime Ministers of Brazil (1847–1889)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move to Prime Minister of Brazil. The consensus, by reference to sources, is that this is the more commonly used English name for the position. The argument that the position lacked the same power as Prime Ministers in other parliamentary systems is valid, but countered by the argument that Brazil is not alone in this respect: many heads of Cabinet are described as Prime Ministers regardless of their actual power. The article can of course note these matters, including sources that question the use of the term Prime Minister. Mkativerata (talk) 23:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

President of the Council of Ministers of Brazil → Prime Minister of Brazil — Presidents of Councils of Ministers are typically known as Prime Ministers in English. (See equivalents in Italy, Poland, etc.) Brazil is no exception, as the sources indicate. - Biruitorul ^Talk 00:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "To translate presidente do conselho de ministros as "the prime minister" would be convenient but essentially misleading, since the president of the council was never so powerful as has been the prime minister of Great Britain." Source: Barman, p.447 in Barman, Roderick J. Citizen Emperor: Pedro II and the Making of Brazil, 1825–1891. Stanford: Stanford University Press, 1999. ISBN 0-8047-3510-7 (in English) For further information on what was the role of the Brazilian President of the Council of Ministers see Empire_of_Brazil#National_politics. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 01:00, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not sure how relevent that quote is, in that many prime ministers around the world in other countries which also have a semi-presidential system likewise are much less important than the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. In Poland, for example, as mentioned above, the Prime Minister of Poland is not necessarily more powerful than the President of Poland. The same applies to the Prime Minister of Russia, the Prime Minister of France, the Prime Minister of Turkey and others; only the French office literally translates to "prime minister". The Celestial City (talk) 23:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, this is common usage, we know that prime ministers (like kings and presidents) have different powers in different countries' systems, so there's nothing essentially misleading about the proposed title, whereas the present title is meaningless to most English speakers (and might even be parsed as referring to the country's president). --Kotniski (talk) 08:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Brazil ke pradhanmantri ka naam bataiye[edit]

Ff 47.15.38.92 (talk) 12:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]