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Timeline[edit]

"After Oman’s development in the 3rd century BC, the Persians developed an empire in the 4th century BC."

The 4th Century BC came before the 3rd Century. It's confusing but a common mistake. Someone might want to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.29.141 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I was confused by the history, as well. It seems like to me, that two different kingdoms are mentioned, and the connection isn't made. At least, for me it wasn't. (Oct.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.93.222 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Would someone knowledgeable please rewrite this paragraph? Mark K. Jensen 18:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oman Supposedly "Pro-Western"[edit]

  • Back in the 1980's, when the U.S. government started to realize that, without the Shah of Iran, there weren't too many governments in the region that were "friendly" to the Americans. So, the State Department sent a delegation to Oman. The ruler of Oman reportedly said, "Here in Oman, we say in public what we say in private." (An admirable sentiment, I think.) About the timing of their visit, the leader reportedly said, "What took you so long?" (Oct.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.93.222 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd also like some evidence that Oman is pro-western. Many Omanis drive western jeeps, hummers and dune buggies while racing in the dunes. The youth have immense spending power and buy things like western cellular phones and other technological devices. They are also relatively accepting of western music. (Information from a friend who lived in Muscat, Oman) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifestream87 (talk • contribs) 01:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cell phones are "western"?, rubbish, most of them are from the East, Japan etc, keep your western bias to yourself please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.193.39.193 (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Imam as the "Descendant of the Prophet"[edit]

Ibadi Imams don't claim to have been descended from the prophet. This, on a basic philisophic level, is what distinguished them from the Sunni orthodoxy as well as the Shi'ites. The Kharijites, when they split from the rest of Islam, generally held the belief that the Islamic leader should not necessarily be a descendent of the Prophet Muhammad, but instead someone who simply fills the role best. Ibadi Imams, in theory, shouldn't be heriditary, but "elected" (or at least approved) by the society's religious leaders from amongst themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.57.184 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Innacuracies[edit]

1) A Khalif is in no way similar to an imam. An imam is simply any one who leads the prayer. Although the shi'a definition differs slightly, the imam is still very unlike the Khalif.

2) Wilaya means state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.164.245 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, i think "Dawlat" means "state". ie. "Dawlat al-Kuwait" or State of Kuwait. I don't actually know Arabic, so I could be mistaken. Le Anh-Huy 06:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Dawlat" means state. "Wilayat" means district. "Muhafazat" means prefecture. (I do speak Arabic). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.46.118 (talk) 23:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Changed from Wilayat musandam to governorate of Musandam Bharatveer 08:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed the words "fairly strict" in comparison with Sunni & shia forms to "fairly liberal" .Bharatveer 03:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed 'colonized' from info box.Bharatveer 04:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Repository of images[edit]

Greetings,

I have made an Asian repository of images, similar to the one that exists for Europe. Please complete the part pertaining to this country as you see fit, preferably similar to those of France, Britain et al:

Wikipedia:List of images/Places/Asia

Thanx.--Zereshk 14:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sovereignty status: date of independence?[edit]

I fixed the sovereignty section in the infobox and used CIA World Factbook data. However, I wonder if this is the most appropriate date, as Oman was under heavy British influence until quite recently; the History of Oman article says "full independence" was only achieved in 1951, and in fact Oman remained a protectorate of the UK until two decades later. So, does anyone think the 1650 date (expulsion of the Portuguese) should be changed to 1951? Nach0king 17:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be changed to 1970, when the British protectorate ended. john k 22:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also think it should be changed. Ricardo Monteiro 17:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

arguably the protectorate did not end in 1970, since Qaboos' coup was orchestrated with the help of British authorities. 157.150.192.237 (talk) 15:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed WikiProject[edit]

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Western Asia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Western Asia whose scope would include Oman. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many Balouch living in Oman[edit]

I think there are many Balouch living in Oman and that refrence should be Given too in article.

I'm from Oman and although we have many Balouch here they moved to Oman hundreds of years ago. Now they are just like other native Omanies and one will not be able to identify them unless they state their tribe name, which is Al-Balouchi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.122.94 (talk) 12:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Khalidkhoso 05:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, many Balochi live in Oman. I am not sure how many, and neither is the CIA World Factbook, which simply says the ethnic makeup is "Arab, Baluchi, South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi), African." (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mu.html) Nklkr.

Oil Refinery in Sohar[edit]

Work is continuing on the RO503.876 million (US$1,300 million) oil refinery project in Sohar, which is due to go into operation in 2006 with a 116,400 bpd refining capacity

Have there been any further developments on this Oil Refinery, as this is obviously out of date? Obeattie 12:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Health[edit]

The WHO listed Oman as #1 of almost 200 countries for level of health. Can anyone explain this? Alex 204.101.241.2 10:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Map image wrong[edit]

The map image Image:LocationOman.png is wrong. It does not show the Musandam and Madha exclaves. [1] 86.56.40.172 (talk) 10:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Muscat Latitude Longitude[edit]

data in this page and Muscat page are different. Can someone sync this? Thanks.GDibyendu (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Broken Link[edit]

The link to Hatta takes me to the wrong place - not the town of Hatta, as it should.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Commking (talk • contribs) 04:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

yes it does it takes you to the right place [...] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.195.51.65 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I lived in states,France,Spain,England,India,Srilanka,Maldives and now in Oman.Oman is not pro americans.Wrong.Using hummer cellphoes and things dont mean they are pro americans or pro western.For me oman is a very open country;compared to all the other countries;This is the country you can find christian churchus ,Hindu kovil ,Budhist temples and so on.Not in any other country in gulf.So they are harmless people; they accept any kind of good things and of cours they dont like wrong things.They apriciate chinease, indian,french ;paella de espagna and all different foods.the omanies can,t see any difference between different nationalities.As they, you and me they also like different food from different countries and cars and cellphones of different countries and different models.All these happens because of his majesties clairvoyance, he has a vision, and a great father to a nation. Please don,t make comments without knowing the reality of a nation and a country. An expatriate in Oman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.178.135.165 (talk) 07:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC) [reply]

IT in Oman[edit]

under construction —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.178.0.122 (talk) 10:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Educational technology in Oman[edit]

Under construction —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.154.30.72 (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HR[edit]

The Oman manpower —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrsam (talk • contribs) 11:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oman in the past[edit]

nothing to be easely described about OMAN; the country of the conflicts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.178.0.122 (talk) 11:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Subdivisions[edit]

The Governorates and Regions section of this article lists "nine governorates and regions", whilst the article on the administrative divisions of Oman describes "five regions (mintaqah) and four governorates (muhafazah)". What, if any, is the difference between the two types of subdivision? Green Giant (talk) 09:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation and Arabic spelling[edit]

Is it worth mentioning that Oman (عمان ʿUmān) without the harakat is spelled in Arabic exactly the same in Arabic as Amman, capital of Jordan but pronounced ʿAmmān? Both have the pharyngeal consonant as the first consonant (ع), ignored in most foreign transliterations, here rendered with the small ʿ symbol. Perhaps a recording of the Arabic pronunciation should be provided. --Anatoli (talk) 23:40, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contradicting Websites regarding Omani Religious Demographics[edit]

My common perception of Oman is that it had a 10 percent hindu population as well as a large Ibadi population. However certian websites contradict one another in what the true religious demographics are. The CIA world fact book says that in Oman Ibadhi Muslim are 75%, others include Sunni Muslim, Shi'a Muslim, Hindu are which are 25% together [2] . Other websites say 25% of the population is Suni while 13% is Hindu [3]. Other websites say most are Ibadi the remaining are mostly Suni [4]. Still others say hindus are 25 percent, Christians are 16 percent, muslims 59 percent [5] I however highly doubt the Intelligence of who or what compiled such a chart for Omani religions. What should we do all these sources seem to contradict eachother, even the current Wikipedia Oman article contradicts The CIA world fact book, which sadly is its reference (the wikipedia page on oman sadly also contradicts it's self in the subject). I would like to get evrey ones opinion on such a subject, I however think the CIA world factbook is the most trustable despite its vagueness Thanks. --Zaharous (talk) 02:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


It seems that the article contradicts itself:

Islam makes up 99% Of total population. To be more specific, about 50% are Ibadhi Muslims. Sunni Muslims account for 40% of the population, while Ja'fari jurisprudence Muslims make ups 7%. The remaining 3% of the population are Hindus, Christians and other minorities, most of whom are expatriates.

Is Oman 99% Muslim, or 97% Muslim?? Could we just pick a single number/source, and go with it for now? - Eric (talk) 09:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Map[edit]

The map does not show the Musandam peninsula as part of Oman. It also misses the very small exclave halfway between Oman and Musandam.131.155.113.228 (talk) 12:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The map is - currently - in png format, which probably isn't ideal as well. This means that the map is a fixed size, and even if the exclaves were added (is Musandam an exclave too?) then it would be difficult to see them. Ideally the map would be in svg format, which is re-sizable. If I have time later I'll request a replacement. There's a map of just Oman further down in the article; this includes Musandam and the exclave, and could be used to improve the first map. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 12:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I've requested that the map be modified to show Oman's two exclaves (and converted to an SVG) at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Image workshop. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 14:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Another update: Goldsztajn has created a new SVG map, and I've replaced the old PNG one here with the new SVG map. Given the size of the map in the infobox it's difficult to see the exclaves, but if you click on the map you'll see a larger version with the exclaves clearly visible. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 14:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

British Rule[edit]

It says on the British Empire page that Oman was ruled by Britain. 212.85.5.19 (talk) 12:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think "ruled" is really correct, though I can understand why it was written. This article, in the Oman and East African Empire section, discusses how Sa'id ibn Sultan "[cooperated] with British attempts to end Zanzibar's slave trade", and how rivalry between his two sons "was resolved, with the help of forceful British diplomacy". I think it would be more accurate to say that Oman was allied to Britain and, particularly in East Africa, sometimes dominated by Britain. I'm not convinced that Oman-proper (i.e. Oman as it currently exists, ignoring East Africa) has even been "dominated" by Britain, and it certainly hasn't been ruled by Britain. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 12:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Historic Economic Growth[edit]

Between 1966 and 1970, Oman had the highest recorded annual growth rate of any country in the past 50 years (Because of oil). This seems like it is worth mentioning?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(real)_per_capita_growth_rate#Five-year_average

23.240.131.64 (talk) 03:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Prehistory[edit]

Dereaze/Ibri: never heard of it. In fact palaeolithic and neolithic finds and sites are known in variousparts of the country. PYule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6B:D0F:3601:AD04:1988:1CBD:60E2 (talk) 22:43, 1 January 2014 (UTC) "From the 6th century BC to the arrival of Islam in the 7th century AD, Oman was controlled and/or influenced by three Persian dynasties: the Achaemenids, Parthians and Sassanids. A few scholars believe that in the 6th century BC, the Achaemenids exerted a strong degree of control over the Omani peninsula, most likely ruling from a coastal center such as Sohar." This is the research thinking of the 1970s Azd0815[reply]

65% Ibadhi[edit]

A quick google search shows that there are different percentages of Ibadhi muslims in Oman. Two pdfs say 45% and 65%, not the 75% that says so on the Oman page which has its citation from CIA factbook. I think the factual accuracy here may be disputed. --AquaFox (talk) 22:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Subdivisions[edit]

The subdivision map would appear to be missing Al B and "Sport" under the heading "Food"? 144.109.4.92 (talk) 18:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that "Food" should have been a sub-section of "Culture" (which would then make "Male National Dress" etc sub-sections of Culture instead of sub-sections of Food...) I've indented "Food". Cheers, and well spotted! I've been caught up with Dubai recently and haven't been keeping an eye on Oman as much as I could. This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Type of government[edit]

The info. box states it to be both a constitutional monarchy and an absolute monarchy. This is an oxymoron; a monarchy cannot be both absolute and constitutional. Would someone care to clarify? HLGallon (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was an absolute monarchy until comparatively recently, however I don't believe that that's an accurate description now. I've removed it. Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 22:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It totally could be, though. Say you have a government with a constitution limiting the actions of the monarch capable of being ammended by monarchial fiat. 73.170.107.159 (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Needs significant substantive editing[edit]

This article is filled with redundancies -- for example, kahwa is explained three times in three consecutive paragraphs. Female style of dress is explained twice -- once in once under the first paragraph of "Culture" and again under a subsection of "Culture" called "Female national dress". Reading the article as a whole, as someone who previously knew nothing of the subject, it seems whoever is adding information isn't checking to see what's already been discussed.

Also (new person here) I'd add that it lacks balance - the part on food, for example, is clearly lifted from a tourist brochure or something. Omanis may be hospitable and their food may be fantastic but those are value and taste judgments so should not simply be presented as if indisputable fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.215.28 (talk) 09:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree, unfortunately much of this article is pretty awful. I removed some of the passages that were obviously from a tourist brochure, but much more needs to be done. Several sections, such as the one on food, are far too long and lack citations while sections that should be long, such as the one dealing with the political situation, are too short. Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about this particular country so I can't really add much, I can only do some editing. Hopefully someone will come along and do some real work on this, though this seems to be a country that people are neglecting here on Widipedia... The Way (talk) 06:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Independence?[edit]

Why does it not say anything about Oman's independence from the United Kingdom in the infobox? Flosssock1 (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

?? Flosssock1 (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Was Oman part of the UK (or the British Empire)? I realise that Britain exercised considerable control (of the gunboat diplomacy type) over parts of Oman's African empire, but my understanding was that Oman-proper was never more than a British ally. (It doesn't prove much either way, but Oman is not a member of the Commonwealth despite retaining strong ties with the UK). My knowledge of Oman's history is pretty much limited to reciting the Sultans from the current dynasty, however... Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 16:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Oman was not part of the British empire.101.98.175.68 (talk) 08:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Independence from United Kingdom[edit]

I have a lot of knowledge about Oman's history having read a lot of books about it and all. And as far as I know, Oman was never part of the British Empire even though it is many a times shown to be!

Oman very much maintained its own territories in Iran and Pakistan. Even though its African empire was crumbled down by the British.

British did pressure Oman time and again. And the fact remains that Oman was only to approach Britain in case of a diplomatic row according to the treaties that were forcibly signed. But unlike Aden,etc The British never maintained more than a consulate or something in Muscat forget military presence. However during the Dhofar crisis,the whole fate of the world rested on this small country (It controls one half of the Strait of Hormuz from where 40% of the worlds petrol is shipped out - Communist control of that would have totally changed the outcomes of the Cold War! - For further reading - Read "In The Service of the Sultan" by Ian Gardiner) and so British presence intensified!

I have removed "Received independence from United kingdom phrase" as of now.

It can be put back,but I hope only after discussing the ambiguity that whether Oman was independent or not! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.178.34.206 (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth I agree with this. My understanding is that Oman was - and is - a close ally of Britain, but was never part of the British Empire. TFOWRidle vapourings of a mind diseased 10:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The fact is the United Kingdom wielded sovereignty over Oman. Oman was a protectorate of the United Kingdom, as were many parts of the British Empire, with the United Kingdom controlling its foreign affairs and defence. All maps of the British Empire depict Oman as part of the British Empire. Oman was as much as part of the British Empire as Yeman was or any other part of the British Empire was. The Yeman article states the date Yemen received independence from the United Kingdom. Oman too has a date when it received independence from the United Kingdom and this should not be removed from the article simply because wp:IDONTLIKEIT. If you argue Oman was not part of the British Empire for whatever reasons then technically you could do the same for say India, in which case Wikipedia stops being factual and correct, instead becomes someone's personal opinion and wp:original research. 88.106.67.84 (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Influence, yes. A degree of control over foreign policy and the armed forces, certainly. But never sovereignty. In any case, the 1970 date for independence is absurd. That was the year in which a British-backed coup overthrew Sultan Said bin Taimur, replacing him with his British-educated son Qaboos, and multiplied many times the amount of British aid and numbers of British personnel in Oman. Please provide a source for a map of the British Empire which includes Oman (not counting Zanzibar). HLGallon (talk) 23:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See the British Empire article for maps. They depict Oman as a part of the British Empire. 88.106.67.84 (talk) 01:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We can't cite Wikipedia (or any other user-edited website). Also, the map doesn't specify 1970 (or any date). The article itself mentions that Britain "intervened" in Oman in 1957 (during the 1980s there was a burnt out truck at Tanuf that I believe dates from this time). The article doesn't mention it, but Britain (and Iran) intervened in Oman again, in the early 1970s (the rebellion itself started in the early 1960s; foreign intervention didn't occur in earnest until late 1971 - though the British had been advising the new Sultan since before his assumption of power).
However, neither of these two interventions were by a colonial power intervening in a colony - Oman was an ally, not a colony, is how I understand it.
I suspect the map's makers employed a broader definition of "British Empire" than one we should use here (based, perhaps, on Oman's East African territories being part of the British Empire at one point, rather than Oman-proper being part of the British Empire). Regardless, the place to raise that would be at "File talk:The British Empire.png". Here all we can do is cite reliable sources (i.e. not Wikipedia!) that say whether or not Oman was part of the British Empire, and when (or if) it gained its independence.
Cheers, TFOWRidle vapourings 08:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it, and as it appears most on the British Empire article understand it, Oman was not an ally or a colony, it was a protectorate, like many other parts of the British Empire were. 88.106.113.11 (talk) 05:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It should be easy to dig out a reference, then? TFOWRidle vapourings 09:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've been digging around for references to confirm/reject Oman being part of the British Empire:
  • US State department: ...in 1508, when the Portuguese conquered parts of Oman's coastal region... ... Except for a period when Persia conquered parts of Oman, Oman has been an independent nation. ... During the 19th century, Oman and the United Kingdom concluded several treaties of friendship and commerce.
  • Rand corporation: building relations with the Arab and larger world in an effort to mitigate Oman's dependence on Britain, legitimizing Oman's independence, ...
  • Marxists.org: [covering 1840-70] Oman was divided into two parts.... Both parts were under the control of the British resident and theguns [sic] of the British squadron stationed in the area ensured British domination all along the coast.
  • Records Of Oman 1867–1960 (archiveeditions.co.uk): [covering 1867-1947] In the attempt to impose their authority, the rulers faced a dilemma. They needed the help of the British as the major power in the area, but were jealous of their independence. The dilemma was resolved by the enduring and close relationship which was to develop between the Sultans and successive British political agents.
  • britishempire.co.uk: Not being a formal colony or protectorate, Britain's involvement with Oman was a very subtle one, but nonetheless powerful for all that.
Trucial Oman (what's now largely the UAE) consisted of what were certainly protectorates; however, as far as I can tell, Britain's political influence over Oman ranged from what conservative sources regard as a gentle political agent chatting with the Sultan, to what more radical sources regard as gunboat diplomacy.
TFOWR 14:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Britain's political influence over Oman ranged from what conservative sources regard as a gentle political agent chatting with the Sultan, to what more radical sources regard as gunboat diplomacy.
That's certainly what it seems to be. Although if you look at the section I'm trying to make head or tail of below, maybe it was steamboat diplomacy :) I can't figure out the relationship in that section between the first sentence, and the jump to 100 years later - maybe I'm being dense. Actually, I just can't properly parse that section in my head at all - sometimes I read it and think I'm getting the point, a bit - then I read it again and all sense leaves me. Perhaps the British reference in there is a blind alley. (or something)  -  Begoon (talk) 14:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tangentially, the Anglo-Zanzibar War (duration: 40 minutes) was about 30 years after Oman's "involvement" with Zanzibar ended, but shows how diplomatic Britain could be at times ;-) I keep meaning to look in detail at Gwadar, but it's not an area I know anything about (yet!). I will look - I promise! TFOWR 14:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oman[edit]

Let's improve the article.

96.41.164.58 (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any suggestions? TFOWRis this too long? 11:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add references[edit]

96.41.164.58 (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oman and Gwadar[edit]

Resolved
 – resolved, for now, I think - new version added to article - most of the credit to User:TFOWR
Extended content

There don't appear to be any citations for this section at all. It's also very poorly written/explained.

Is anyone able to rewrite it/provide sources?

I'd try myself, but I don't know where to start given the lack of references.

Or should it just be removed - if it has no reliable source ?

Extended content

Oman and Gwadar

In 1783, Oman’s Saiad Sultan took refuge in Balochistan from where he went and sought asylum from Khan of Kalat Mir Nasir Khan Noori of Balochistan, who doled him Gwadar out for sustenance until he usurped the Sultanate of Muscat in 1797 from his brother Saiad Said. From 1863 to 1879 Gwadar was the headquarters of a British Assistant Political Agent. Gwadar was a fortnightly port of call for the British India Steamship Navigation Company’s steamers and contained a combined Post & Telegraph Office. Sultan was the sovereign of Gwadar until 1955 when negotiations were held during the period of Ghulam Mohammad. A British adjudicator with Ch. Mohammad Ali representing Pakistani side (as Pakistan had now been created out of India), decided that Pakistan shall pay Rs. 55 crore, which were paid. Sultan Qaboos wanted that the same amount be returned to Pakistan for getting Gwadar back. The Agreement had two important clauses: (1) All Balochistan would form cachment for Omani forces. Resultantly, Balochees constituted a major part of Omani forces, and (2) Resources of Gwadar would be further developed.[citation needed]

In 1955, Makran acceded to Pakistan and was made a district - Gwadar then, was not included in Makran. In 1958, Gwadar and its surrounding areas were reverted by Maskat to Pakistan. It was given the status of a Tahsil of Makran district. On July 1, 1977, Makran District was upgraded into a division and was divided into three districts of Turbat (now Kech since 1994-95), Panjgur and Gwadar.[citation needed]

Gwadar became part of the sultanate of Muscat and Oman in 1797, and it was not until 1958 that the town and adjoining hinterland were given up by Oman to Pakistan.

 -  Begoon (talk) 11:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved, for now, I think - new version added to article - most of the credit to User:TFOWR  Begoontalk 13:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ADDING A GALLERY PAGE--NEED MORE PICS[edit]

Well i am adding this gallery page that i added on Muscat page all pics are shot by me and i release them into public domain ;)

But all these pics are basically of Muscat....so add more will add the same gallery to Tourism in Oman, wont do any harm...wil just make the pages more nice!

Pranav21391

OMAN AND THE BRITISH[edit]

Well if the British actually ruled Oman then They wouldn't have allowed a Sultan that was not at all friendly to them for around 3 decades or so

Now if you say they were just grooming his son and all Then my argument rests on this, like in many protectorates and like in many princely states (for example in India) the British could have just swapped rule to regents by murdering the current king or to brothers and uncles

Why have a sultan who doesn't really like helping you, and who controls your access to the gulf and to aden (likewise), effecting your trade with India

Oman was under an area of influence very much like Iran was Hence you cant say Oman was not independent

All gulf states were so backward that they needed any foreign power to get them their basic neccessities and the British won that bid Hell they even got half of the Arab states independent (Syria,lebanon,etc) (and ironically led to the partition of a greater Arabian state into minor nations) From money (gulf rupiah) to engineering and armaments, it was all needed, and the British were there!

Pranav21391

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER NATIONS[edit]

Well it says on the EGYPT PAGE that Egypt gained independence in 1922 from UK

Then how come the British were fighting the Nazis in Egypt? Well certainly EGYPT IN ALL SENSE WAS A BRITISH TERRITORY AND WAS SO TILL 1953 (Republic declared) There was always a British presence of troops even though the Monarch of Egypt was the so called ruler He had to always comply with the British even after the so mentioned independence of 1922

That however was not the case with the Sultan of Oman! and hence you cannot say that oman wa snot independent

Pranav21391

Egypt was a protectorate allocated to Britain under a League of Nations mandate after the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I. So was Palestine.
A 'protectorate' is a state that is incapable of defending itself against its often militarily stronger neighbours and so a more powerful state is given responsibility for the defence of the protectorate, i.e., to protect it. Hence the name.
British troops were present in both Egypt and Palestine for just that reason.
IIRC, none of the North African or Middle Eastern states were formally part of the British Empire but a number were protectorates of Britain and there were several areas that Britain administered due to treaties with the local rulers.
Britain upheld its obligations when in 1940 the Italians invaded Egypt. This led to the Western Desert Campaign.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.18.147 (talk) 15:01, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

SHOULD CCREATE A NEW ARTICLE PERHAPS!?[edit]

RECENT CLEANUP OPERATION REMOVED EXTENSIVE AND ALOT OF INFO ABOUT OMAN'S CORAL REEFS EVEN I BELIEV IT WAS UNNECCESSARY TO HAVE IT HERE

BUT EITHER IT CAN BE PUT ON OMAN ENVIRONEMNT PAGE

OR OMAN TOURISM PAGE

OR PROBBLY A NEW PAGE

I HAVE SEEN MANY DOCUMENTARIES ON NAT GEO....AND SOME CONTENT ON BBC ABOUT MUSANDAM AND OMAN\S DRIVE FOR ECO-TOURISM RATHER THAN ITS NEIGHBOUR'S CONCRETE-TOURISM (DUBAI'S SKYSCRAPERS,ETC)

THE CONTENT WAS

Oman’s coral diversity== - Flanked by strikingly scenic coasts and down in the shallow waters, the coral reefs of Oman are largely uncharted territory — their charm and diversity is yet to be fully explored and enjoyed by residents and tourists alike. - - Coral growth at Cat Island, Muscat - Opportunities for divers, snorkellers and marine biologists, who enjoy watching coral reefs and the vast array of marine wildlife that resides there, are being encouraged and increased. - - Some of the most beautiful coral reefs sites of Oman are located in Muscat area, Damaniyat Islands, Bandar Jissah, Bandar Khayran, Fahal Islands, Sharqiya, Barr al Hikman, Masirah Islands, Dhofar, Musandam and Marbadh. - - Corals are not just lifeless rocks. “They are animals with a stony skeleton”, explains Eng Mussallam Mubarak al Jabri, head of Marine Pollution Management Department at the Ministry of Regional Municipalities and Environment. Reefs are one of the richest habitats for animal life on earth. - - Muscat area is rich in corals but the centre of diversity is at Fahal Islands. Ra’s al Hamra is known for a unique coral community.Fahal Islands in Muscat is a centre of coral diversity - Exposed rocky shores facing north and east is the hub of soft coral growth, while south and west facing shores contain hard coral growth, for example at Cat Island, Cemetery Bay and Fahal Island. - - The Damaniyat Islands, about 17-km offshore, support extensive reef development. Damaniyat reefs are typically dominated by a few genera, but at some sites where the assemblage is mixed, coral diversity is known to be high. Damaniyat reefs provide a diverse habitat and feeding grounds for commercially important fish and a high potential value to Oman’s tourist industry, says Mussallam, who being an active diver has watched coral reefs from close quarters. - - Sharqiya coast, which used to be an area of luxuriant coral growth, has only a few reef formations now. Much of the previously luxuriant coral growth was destroyed in a storm a few years ago.Hooni Bay in Dhofar puts up a beautiful spectacle - The fishing industry of Sharqiyah depends on coastal fish stocks, many of which are reliant on shallow water coral environment. Reef areas of this area are also important for turtles, whales, dolphin and seabirds. - - At the southern shores of Barr al Hikman coral watchers have found extensive reefs covering kilometres of shallow coastal areas. The reefs of Barr al Hikman are also known for supporting high densities of migrating birds, coastal protection and production of coral sand. - - Masirah Islands harbour coral communities along the southwestern shore. Some of the sheltered bays have emerged as important nursery grounds for juvenile fish, found in high densities. Fishermen in Masirah Islands mostly tap the much sought-after reef fish stocks, most notably Emperors and Groupers. Emperors and Groupers, in turn, depend on coral areas for reproduction and feeding. Large turtle populations in Masirah also depend on reef areas. - - - - Efforts are under way to preserve the natural richness of the coral reefs - Moreover, some fish species and reef invertebrates, in addition to the corals of Dhofar, add to the overall biodiversity. Dhofar’s coral areas are important for feeding turtles and a large number of seabirds. The turtles and seabirds add a new dimension to the scenic coastal beauty of the area. - - Musandam offers well-developed reef communities in its eastern bays of Jazirat Umm al Ghanam, and Khawrs such as Khawr Ghubb Ali. Although Musandam is not known for coral diversity, some reef species such as Pavona are unique to Musandam and therefore hold national significance. - - Importance of Musandam’s reef areas lies in supporting commercially vital juvenile fish stocks. The sea around Musandam is a hub of wildlife, including breeding seabirds, turtles and dolphins. - - Thanks to Oman’s National Coral Reef Management Plan, extensive efforts are under way to preserve the natural richness, variety and quality of the country’s extensive coral reef areas. - - Protecting the coral reefs of Oman is important because reefs are one of the richest habitats for animal life on earth. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranav21391 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harsusi[edit]

Oman is said to be an "Arab" country, although it partly speaks Harsusi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC) The article on the Demographics of Oman does mention Harsusi and relatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 17:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OMAN AND BRITISH - NO COLONIAL RULE IN OMAN EVER ACCORDING TO REUTRERS AND BCC ITSELF[edit]

People who have perceptions about Oman being ruled by British due to some wrong map of the time, please Oman was never ruled by the British. Reuters, whose reports are referenced even in the UN (no other media agency is used by UN), and BBC itself - UK's own broadcaster! have stated in the references mentioned that Oman has been independent the longest from a long time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranav21391 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

somebody could modoifyt his text and ut it proeprly in the article..or probbly human rights in oman (new article)[edit]

This article (especially this section) is written in an ethnocentric manner from the perspective of Western society. That is not appropriate. Consider trying to be neutral in tone. Also consider including references to the not-insubstantial body of evidence against the human rights deterioration presented here. Perhaps consolidate with the better set information on the actual Human Rights in Oman page. 73.170.107.159 (talk) 07:24, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Human Rights[edit]

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The Omani government is a monarchy. The Sultan, Qaboos bin Said Al-Said is the self-appointed leader of the country since 1970 and serves as the country's chief of state and head of government. The monarchy is hereditary and the monarch's cabinet is appointed by himself.[1] 

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Citizens of Oman can vote for members of the legislative branch. The members are elected by popular vote to serve four-year terms, however, the legislative branch only has advisory powers. The country has universal suffrage for people 21 years of age and older, however members of the military and security forces are not allowed to vote.[1] 

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[edit] Universal Human RightsOmani citizens have limited rights to freedom of speech and peaceful assembly.[2] 

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This will always be a huge challenge for countries where there is a hereditary ruler and the press does not enjoy absolute freedom. For Oman, the toughest litmus test is probably Article 19 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights[3], that everyone (male and female) has the right to freedom of opinion and expression. Given that this right includes 'free access to any media regardless of frontiers', the Sultanate's decision to ban gay and lesbian material on sites like Youtube [4] will keep them outside 'mainstream freedom' until there is a significant change of thinking among the incumbent government. 

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[edit] Children's rightsThere are no reports of child prostitution in Oman.[5] Child labor is not a problem.[5] In 2003, the government raised the minimum age to work from 13 to 15 years of age.[5] 

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Oman has very little Human rights its president has been ruling Oman since 1970 Qaboos bin Said Al Said (Arabic: قابوس بن سعيد آل سعيد‎; Qābūs ibn Sa'īd Āl Sa'īd; born 18 November 1940[1]) is the Sultan of Oman. He rose to power after overthrowing his father, Sa‘id ibn Taymur, in a palace coup in 1970. He is the 14th-generation descendant of the founder of the Al Bu Sa'idi dynasty.[2] 

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Oman has jailed many opposition usually these persons are jailed without any media notification without even a proper trial, the Public Prosecution has almost ultimate rights to prosecute persons and jail them deport them or even hold them for 6 months or more without representing them to court. This has upset the Omanis for many years 

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Women have little or no rights at all ruled under the Sharia laws Due to Oman's laws being influenced by Sharia law, women in the country have limited rights in regard to inheritance, marriage, divorce, and child custody.[2] 

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Wosim Tahan a computer engineer was held in Oman Buraimi, for 44 days by the public prosecution without any reason and was kept in Mahda Jail without being presented to courts and later was deported to Syria through Muscat the intervention of the Human rights watch and Amnesty international expedited his release, this is one example of Oman treatments. 

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In recent days there has been large riots in Sohar asking for reforms in the country.

Lead bias[edit]

The lead section is tremendously flawed, how can 2 out 4 paragraphs deal with UK or US? I would suggest to replace this anglo-centric paragraphs with information on: the role of maritime trade in the history of Oman, islam in Oman and its economy.Dentren | Talk 15:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Labor Unions[edit]

The article says that labor unions are now permitted but that collective bargaining is prohibited. This seems like a contradiction to me since collective bargaining is the primary function of a labor union. I suspect that these organizations are not properly called labor unions. In any case, an explanation of this unusual situation would be helpful.Bill (talk) 04:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image Gallery[edit]

The article has an image gallery. This seems a little unusual to me. Could these images be relocated to the relevant sections (where appropriate) and the Gallery section removed? I think that would be more in keeping with similar articles. Begoon talk 08:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Climate data[edit]

The climate data currently presented as Fahrenheit with Celsius following in brackets should be ordered opposite. Most people relate to Celsius, not Fahrenheit, globally speaking. 122.106.241.196 (talk) 09:33, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Religion in Oman[edit]

Around 75% of the population are Ibadhi, a form of Islam distinct from the Sunni and Shia denominations, 24% are Sunni Muslims, and the Zaydi Shi'ite sect forms the remaining 1% of the Omani population. Non-Muslim religious communities individually constitute less than 5% of the population
Let's see. Islam: 75+24+1 = 100%. After that, 0% is left for other religions. Sure, 0 is "less than 5", but this must not be the right way to say it. 85.217.47.166 (talk) 03:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC) Sorry about any formatting issues I'm new. Ibahi's page cites the Ibadi population at 75% where here it says 45%. Ibadi uses this https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mu.html . they cite the religion as 75% ibadi 25% other muslim / non-muslim. 71.195.22.178 (talk) 08:01, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I cant find book about oman[edit]

hi my name is Samuel and I cant find books oman I nedd help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.132.160.2 (talk) 01:14, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Government[edit]

The Consultative Council are either elected by popular vote or are not. The claim that the Sultan "makes the final selections and can negotiate [sic] the election results" makes no sense at all.

Member either serve four-year terms [elected] or are appointed for three-year terms. The article claims both entirely inconsistent terms.101.98.175.68 (talk) 08:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The claim is cited with a reliable source (CIA factbook). You will need some reliable sources in order to warrant an inclusion of the mentioning of a claim to the contrary. --Saddhiyama (talk) 22:14, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Map Update[edit]

The map does not include South Sudan, it needs to be updated. --WhyHellWhy (talk) 04:48, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Paragraph four, Section '18th and 19th Centuries[edit]

I have removed a large section pasted in word-for-word from: http://web.archive.org/web/20130929104602/http://www.thefrontierpost.com/article/10194.htm Tomseattle (talk) 17:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Separate article for religion?[edit]

I suggest that "Religion in Oman" be separated into its own article and expanded. There seem to be enough sources, and it's notable in the region as a place where non-Muslims are able to be (relatively speaking) open about their faiths. Additionally, Oman's main sect of Islam is neither Sunni nor Shia, but the population contains both of those main sects alongside a third that most of the world has never heard of. Religion in the country seems like too fascinating a subject not to be its own article, and I'm confident that there are enough secondary sources to expand it. Who's with me? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect request[edit]

Sand People should redirect here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.236.162 (talk) 19:11, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oman[edit]

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—151.251.241.68 (talk) 05:46, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't explained what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article. I've emended the coordinates of the capital to match those in the Muscat article, but otherwise the coordinates appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to provide a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 17:03, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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