Talk:List of esports games

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In the main article talk section I asked if adding in the external links to SC2 Tournament Wiki and the LOL Tournament wiki would be acceptable, but now that we've pulled the games out into their own article I'm thinking this would be a more ideal place for these links. Having the links would help anyone looking for more information on SC2 or LoL esports scene get that information. Opinions?Olanatan (talk) 01:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List or article?[edit]

Is this a list or an article? And if it's an article, it currently seems to be at least c-class. It seems to me to be a list, though... Maplestrip (talk) 08:37, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we'd be better off calling it a list. Maybe Forbes72 might want to chime in? TheStickMan[✆Talk] 19:30, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. List class is probably better than article class. A short description might be OK, but most of the text can go to the individual articles of the specific games I think. The main reason this article exists in the first place was that the electronic sports article kept getting cluttered with random mentions of esports titles that were somewhat relevant, but disrupted the structure and flow of the article. Now that the text is on its own, it seems clear most of the text could go back into the individual articles.(if it's not there already) I'd be happy to help reformat this article if you want.Forbes72 (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if moving most information of this page would be such a good idea, it might be worth it to mention in what way these respective games are an esport and why they are notable as such. Either way, this whole page seems somekind of hybrid between a list and an article right now, and I don't know how big of an issue that is... ~Maplestrip (chat) 08:56, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's a list, I think. Prose-y lists are just fine, though some attention should be paid to make sure that the text here is about how the game is an esport, not just describing the game. --PresN 18:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion criteria[edit]

In order to up the quality of this list and be sure what games exactly to include, I think it's time to decide on somekind of criteria. How can we decide which games are "notably" eSports? The lead states that these games had an "especially large impact in professional gaming," which is about as vague as it gets.

One of the easier ways to do this is probably simply looking at prize money: only add games with tournaments that have had a prize pool of over X dollars. I don't know what number would be good, and an issue that will arise is when prize pools of all eSports become bigger, resulting in games less notable for their eSports impact to be added as well. We could, of course, raise the number if necessary. Thoughts?

We could simply check tournament sizes. The amount of people watching a tournament of game X could be a great indication of how much a game is thriving as an eSport. This choice only works well on spectator sports, though, which an eSport might not have to be?

Another possibility is being specific what kind of media representation these games have had. We could say specific kinds of sources need to be available, such as at least X articles on this game as an eSport by reliable sources, or X reliable sources referring to the game specifically as an eSport. Some thought would have to go into this, though, it's a difficult one to get right.

~Mable (chat) 13:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that any video game that has a notable competitive scene that is documented by reliable secondary sources can be included here.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 05:37, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, obviously, but how do we define this? When is a competitive scene of a video game considered notable and what sources are useful for finding this out? I honestly don't know what kind of websites write about this topic at all. Also, as e-sports becomes a bigger force, we will have to decide whether this list will only contain the "particularly" notable games, leaving out games that are played in tournaments but in a much smaller scale.
Furthermore, just today, three new games were added without any sources to back them up. It would be great if we could specifically nail down the inclusion criteria in the article itself, so this won't happen as often. ~Mable (chat) 06:52, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are a lot of websites that publish esports articles, I'm not sure what you meant by that. Also, I suppose WP:GNG is enough to establish notability for the purposes of inclusion in this particular article.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 07:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Too long - split?[edit]

As it is being suggested to split the article into subarticles, I would actually approve of this. A List of shooter games popular as eSports and List of MOBA games popular as eSports could really remove the strain on the over-arching article and improve the content of the better-defined, smaller articles. Thoughts? ~Mable (chat) 08:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Opppose Instead of splitting it up into different articles along the lines that you suggested, I think the prose should be trimmed down. There's a lot of redundant information that is listed in other articles and doesn't need to be in this one.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 05:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Though all of these games have their own articles - and some even have an article on their competitive scene - the problem is that the each game listed here only has one or two paragraphs of prose to define and explain the game's competitive scene. I'd rather see most sections of this list expand myself, so they can go in more detail. I mean, if all of this could be written on the professional StarCraft competitive scene, I would imagine we could at least fill two or three paragraphs on the Street Fighter series. ~Mable (chat) 07:39, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay you can go ahead and split the article if you want to and we'll see how that goes. I'm not entirely sure what this page will be for afterwards; maybe it's just a bare list of the games without prose?--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 06:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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By July 2016, Dota 2 tournaments had awarded roughly $65 million in prize money altogether, with 12 players winning over $1 million each.[77]

is it worth updating this to Dec 2017, prize pool is up to $130 million with 16 players over 1million with winnings over $1million each.

Same reference.

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eSports game ratings... ESRB, etc?[edit]

I am researching eSports that are allowable in K-12 public schools in the USA. One issue that has come up is game ratings. Which have a mature rating, which are considered acceptable for teens, etc. I note that this information is not present in this article .. it probably should be included for others also seeking this same info.

I only know of the USA ESRB game ratings scale, but if there are any other international game rating systems, those also can be included. -- DMahalko (talk) 22:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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