Talk:List of cabinets of the Philippines

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Table style[edit]

This edit flagged a problem where different articles had contradictions regarding Philippine cabinets, with discussion to take place here. This edit, and similar edits in other affected articles resolved those contradictions. In constructing the table which resolved the contradictions, changes were made to the table format; see Talk:First Philippine Republic#table style and WT:Tambayan_Philippines#Table styles. In the next few days, I plan to reconcile the other table styles in this article with the table style in the Emilio Aguinaldo (1899-1901) article section. If you feel that further discussion is needed before these changes are made, please discuss that here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This edit applied what were termed "Formatting fixes" to the table for the 1899 cabinet in {{Philippine cabinet}}. It appears me that both that styling there and the styling done here are in conflict with MOS:TABLE#Appearance, I have not modified the styling here to conform with that modified styling there. This probably needs discussion at a project level, perhaps at WT:Tambayan Philippines#Table styles. I will mention this there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:06, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister discussion[edit]

Please see the discussion at Talk:Prime Minister of the Philippines#Prime Minister office assertions prior to 1978 appear problematic and comment there as appropriate. Thank you. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Secretary/Minister of Public Information?[edit]

Does anyone know the name(s) of the individual(s) who held this position under Marcos, and the years they occupied the position? Josh (talk) 05:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kit Tatad from the establishment of the position in 1969 until 1980; then Gregorio Cendaña from then until 1986. -Chieharumachi (talk) 13:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Emilio Aguinaldo cabinet[edit]

Here. I have WP:BOLDly redone the table for the Emilio Aguinaldo cabinet in the style of the table in the section immediately following it instead of transcluding it from the {{Philippine cabinet}} template in a style differing from the other tables here as was previously done. The previous table is still transcluded into the First Philippine Republic#National cabinet article section and is visible there in the previous format.

Some of the stylistic characteristics of this article (e.g., wikilinks in headings) depart from the guidelines in the WP:Manual of Style, and the style of the tables in this article, which the redone table now copies, differs from the usual wikitable style (see wikitable style#Classes). Here, I an treating this as a WP:Tambayan Philippines Philippine wikiproject style peculiarity though, AFAIK, that is not documented anywhere.

I built the new table by hand and, though I think I have copied the old table faithfully, it would be a good idea if someone other than me re-checked what I have done for errors. Barring objections, my intention is to place the new table here into a transcludeable section, to transclude it from here into the First Philippine Republic article, and to then delete the Philippine cabinet template, which will then be no longer transcluded into any mainspace article. I will place a notice on the talk page of the First Philippine Republic article announcing this by way of a reference to this discussion here. Please discuss below if needed. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that there is a problem with my intention to make this table transcludeable from here. The reason for the table formatting peculiarities in the current {{Philippine cabinet}} template was to allow it to be transcluded. I expect that it will not be possible to transclude the redone table directly from this article because, as it is done here, it lacks those formatting peculiarities required for transclusion.

I think that the options going forward are:

have the table here use the nice-looking but stylistically peculiar format of the other tables here as I've redone it, remove the table from tat other article, and then delete the no-longer-needed template with the version of this table using the wikitable format
retain the {{Philippine cabinet}} template in its wikitable format and revert back to transcluding that here (and in that other article) with its visually jarring format difference from the other tables in this article.
have two separately maintained versions of this table (one here and one in the First Philippine Republic article). Doing this would invote trouble, and I think this is not acceptable.
something else.

Please discuss this here and come to a consensus regarding this. If there are other viable options than the ones I've listed above, please add them to the list. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:57, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change to Wikitable. Also, I tried checking on how other countries do this but I couldn't find anything similar to this. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I recall that as being my thought and the motivation behind my creation of the template figuring into my comments above. As I recall, I created that template in reaction to having noticed two separate and separately maintained copies of the Aguinaldo cabinet template and hoped that other members of the community would step up and create tables for other Philippine cabinets in that template, similar to the one I created there. Formatting differences may or may have not figured into that -- I don't recall and have not tried to figure that out. Since creating that template, I've stumbled over Help:Labeled section transclusion, and had a thought about using that to do transclusions from sections of this list article rather than from that template -- but the need for peculiar formatting in order to transclude tables slipped my mind until partway through the above. I agree that established formatting standards should be used, and my opinion is that alternative standardized formats should be created if the available ones are considered inadequate. I believe that it is generally a bad thing to use ad-hoc local formatting. I'm not going to try to enforce that belief on other members of the community, though. I think that the wikiproject Philippines community as an organization ought to step up to the plate on this more than they have. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After all of the above, I have arrived at a new WP:BOLD intention. I now intend to (1) replace the content of the Emilio F. Aguinaldo (1899–1901) section of this article with the content currently at User:Wtmitchell/Draft1 and (2) to replace {{Philippine cabinet|year=1899}}, currently in the First Philippine Republic article, with content similar to what is currently in User:Wtmitchell/sandbox in oirder to transclude a copy of that table from this article. if I see a problem with that after having done it, I'll switch those edits back. That does not address any of the table formatting issues raised above -- I'll consider that as having been kicked down the road for possible later consideration. Please speak up below with any objections, comments, or discussion re this. Barring that, I'll probably do this on Saturday morning in my timezone here in Florida. Thanks. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:40, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(added) I followed through on the above. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Found a minor error within this table that was causing a WP:LINT error on First Philippine Republic. There was an opening {{{!}} tag at the end instead of a closer {{!}}} tag. Took me a little while to figure out what the issue was here since I haven't done transclusion a lot (or very recently), but something clicked in the back of the brain when I was looking at something else that this was the error. My change to here successfully cleared the error on the other page, so when this table is transcluded on any other pages in the future, it won't replicate. Zinnober9 (talk) 03:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yhanks for that fix. I probably introduced that error while moving the table here from the now-deleted template where it formerly appeared. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:03, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]