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Controversy: Hypocrisy of the American Humane Society

There should be an explanation of the inhumane treatment of King, the tiger used for the film. Nearly drowned, suffered repeatedly, and yet the American Humane Association gives their "no animals were harmed" rubber-stamp in the credits all the same. See this feature article for more info: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/feature/ 98.200.236.227 (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Reference to use

Thanks, Erik (talk | contribs) 14:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

"[...] due to Lee's desire to have an entirely international cast"

This is rather unclear, and unsourced. It appears to mean "a desire to have no Americans", as that's often what "international" as used in the US is an odd "politeism" for, but that'd be an odd thing to ascribe to the director without greater clarify. 84.203.32.85 (talk) 09:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

  •  Done. I added a quote from Lee on the topic. -Classicfilms (talk) 16:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

NPOV Section

I'm not part of the Wikipedia constabulary, but this sentence seemed quite out of place in the encyclopedic format:

"However, there are strong reasons to believe that the allegation is not without substance".

I don't want to just nuke it because I do not know the correct "official" reasons for which I would do so, but hopefully someone more experienced with WP can take a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davepl (talk • contribs) 00:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

List of articles

I will periodically add to this list of articles for potential use. -Classicfilms (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Plot

Why was the plot removed? I understand it is similar to the article for the book but I see nothing inaccurate. There is no consideration for spoilers here. Purplesky91 (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

The plot section at the time of my edit mentioned that Pi invented the story about sharing the lifeboat with his mother, the cook, and the sailor. While this is certainly one interpretation, it could also be interpreted that this was the real course of events and Pi made up the other story as a form of escapism from his traumatic experiences. I changed the wording of the plot section to make it more ambiguous in this regard. --165.123.239.244 (talk) 04:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Critical reception

Removed a strange reference from here that seems to just have been tagged on to the end of someone else's sentence. Not saying that the review is bad (Austrian website i believe), but the way it was included in the article was poor and seemed out of place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.146.91 (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Plot summary

Film plot summaries on WIkipedia need to be between 600 and 800 words. This one is over 1000. It is not necessary to recount what happens in every scene. I will try to start cutting it down to a reasonable length. Invertzoo (talk)

It is now 626 words. Invertzoo (talk) 14:24, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

What About the Poor Rat?!

I viewed the movie at the "Royal Twin Theater" in Pauls Valley, OK., and so I didn't think about the lack of 3-D until afterwards, like when I read the article here. As I read said article, I didn't think about the poor rat, until later. Now I'm back to rectify that matter. So, what about the poor Rat?! There was a rat among the animal survivors, but the article for both the book, which I accidently read first, and the movie, don't mention the poor rat. I use "poor", because the rat seemed to me, to be seeking help from Pi, when it climbed up to his head, like a pet rat might do. Squeamish people in the audience squeeled during that scene, and then gasped when Pi tossed said rat into the mouth of the tiger, as opposed to "the eye of the tiger". In retrospect, it was like they were playing catch, or that he was giving the cat a treat. But anyway, why no listing of the cat among the animal survivors? Also, later, in the human parallel story version, the rat is once again left out. Which human would be a match up for the rat's role? Ignoring the rat in that version, seems to me, to infer or imply that in either case, the rat was just a rat. Hmm. I guess that's all for now, until someone replies. Hopefully with an answer as to why the rat was left out of the list of surviving animals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeoStarDragon1 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

HEY! I came back to edit it and insert my tildes and then it still says it was "unsigned" anyway. What's up with that? Is that why that confusing pop-up happened? But anyway, I had inserted, "(OOPS! I forgot my tildes! Oh, pun time! 'This year's Tilde Award Nominees are.....')" LeoStarDragon1 (talk) 06:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

When Pi is recounting his alternative tale to the insurance investigators he says, "The Cook was a disgusting man, he ate a Rat!", so the rat has no human counterpart - it remains a rat in both stories, the only difference is in which character eats it - in one story it is the cook (counterpart of the hyena) and in the other it is the Tiger, Richard Parker (counterpart of Pi). Fanx (talk) 10:03, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Useful CGI information for article

The video states that 87% of the tiger footage in the movie was CGI and 13% was real. 10 Million hairs were animated for the tigers fur. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 05:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Pi's Faith

"although Pi gives up Islam through his thinking, he fully embraces Christianity." I don't remember this happening. In fact, I recall the writer saying something like 'So you're a Hindu, a Christian and a Muslim. Are you Jewish as well?'. So, yah, removing. MatrixM (talk) 08:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually I do think the movie implies that he gave up Islam, as when the writer asks him about the present time he answered that he was "Catholic Hindu". He only was muslim when he was a kid.--Krystaleen 08:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
He does say that he is a "Catholic Hindu", but that does not mean he has given up Buddhism or Islam. One of the themes of the novel is the universal nature of Pi's religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.75.173.232 (talk) 11:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

improvement

I prefer this article be re-assessed to something like C or B. furthermore, I'd prefer that key info from these sources be added:

---- Kailash29792 (talk) 10:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

BHO retracted "proof" ?

There was a statement here that the current President of the United States said that this film was "an elegant proof of God". Was that found to be false? If not it certainly needs to come back. Saw this film a few days ago and it's not even about anything remotely real, can't possibly be a proof of anything, so that statement has a value in the historical record Wikipedia provides, like other events of similar import/notability. 76.180.168.166 (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Guess it was the book article, bears repeating here, he was talking about the movie. 76.180.168.166 (talk) 17:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Article Goofs!

1) article mistakenly links name of ship "tsimtsum" to some obscure hebrew term. unless there is a citation for this, it is unsubstantiated. it is far more likely to be a chinese/cantonese term, coincidentally similar to the hebrew one.

[no, i won't get into the SOURCE MATERIAL goof of giving a japanese ship a non-japanese name in the first place. or of having it ply an india-phils-canada route (impossible under international law), for that matter.]

2) article says tiger "appeared" from under the tarp, which completely ignores the fact that Pi saw it swim aboard in the first place.

3) max and the cats article says it's about a jaguar, not a panther.

4) any lawsuits related to the above? you don't just mention that a book/movie which grossed $600 million plagiarized something else as a passing comment!

5) any complaints about the racist portrayal of the japanese? it should go in the controversies section.

6) i contest the line "more fantastic story" in the plot summary. they are EQUALLY fantastic, and his tossing out a second one gives rise to the idea that NEITHER are true. in fact, it leaves this viewer wondering whether he was simply shipwrecked ALONE in the first place, and endured 227 days of flat-out BOREDOM. he himself refers to them as "two stories".

aside from a quick mention of A O Scott's interpretation, article is very non-NPOV in dismissing this take.

i had a lot more, but someone keeps vandalizing my post. so i'll leave it at this for now. 209.172.25.34 (talk) 19:54, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: #2 - Pi actually extends an oar to help Richard Parker into the boat when the tiger comes swimming by, or at least begins to until he realizes who/what the swimmer is. But it's too late by that time, and Richard Parker is able to climb aboard. The article makes it sound like Richard Parker had been in the lifeboat all along. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:2C4:DE01:4414:A972:990:2C21 (talk) 15:38, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

American?

How can this film be called "American". I have before placed a BFI reference before supporting UK / Canada / Australia / Taiwan. I used the same guideline that User: Taderuer gave me, on the talk page for Shaun of the Dead. This guideline was then neglected on that page and called by others to me as a "suggestion". This issue should be corrected on Life of Pi. Nobody is saying that the film is not "American". It just isn't only "American". I have added the reference here http://explore.bfi.org.uk/50c30bfa91d65 --WARNER one (talk) 16:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

These issues (determining a film's country) are never that clear, but the vast majority of sources, such as the New York Film Festival [1], in which this film had its world premiere, the American Film Institute, the Toronto International Film Festival, and many others, only identifies the United States, and nothing else.--Taderuer (talk) 13:49, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Haishang Films is co-producing, which makes it an American-Taiwanese co-production, as far as I'm concerned. It should be easy if you go by the official credits - usually printed on posters, but not even large websites care to pay attention to that, which makes it confusing for referencing those same sites later. Festival sites sometimes get lazy too. Trust only official credits. Production companies should define the film's country imho; neither financers, nor distributors, nor executives, nor filming locations. Punkalyptic (talk) 00:46, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Spoken languages

French should be added to the spoken languages. Depardieu's character only speaks French, characters interacting with him also speak French. Kumagoro-42 01:04, 27 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumagoro-42 (talk • contribs)

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Reviewer: Bait30 (talk · contribs) 23:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to review this if you don't mind. Life of Pi is one of my favorite novels (along with Siddhartha) and I enjoyed the movie a lot. I'm pretty new at GA stuff so don't hesitate to let me know if you think I messed up.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 23:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll review prose first going down the page by section, then do images, then do references last.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 07:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead/infobox

  • "Directed by Ang Lee, the film's adapted screenplay was written by David Magee, and it stars": the structure of the sentence suggests that Ang Lee directed the screenplay, not the film. On the same note, "it" refers to the screenplay when it should refer to the film. (1a)
Reworded. Rusted AutoParts 02:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "51st New York Film Festival": should be 50th (2)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "The film had its worldwide premiere as the opening film of the 51st New York Film Festival at both the Walter Reade Theater and Alice Tully Hall in New York City on September 28, 2012.": I feel like this whole sentence is relatively significant information that should be in the body of the text, but currently is not. (1b)
  • "It was nominated for three Golden Globe Awards which included the Best Picture – Drama and the Best Director and won the Golden Globe Award for Best Original Score.": would be more concise if changed to "It was nominated for three Golden Globe Awards, including Best Picture – Drama and Best Director, and won for Best Original Score." (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "The film was shot between": Either "The film was shot in" or "Filming was split between" would be more clear. (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "India, Taiwan and Montreal, Quebec": would be better to remove Quebec. Might be confusing because of the commas and the fact it's in a list. (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Infobox "country" section: this isn't within the scope of the review but why are there five references for United States?
I can only surmise there was a big to-do over this. I am seeing a small discussion on the talk page about it. Rusted AutoParts 02:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Infobox budget and box office: it would probably be ok to remove the references here since they're cited in the "box office" section.

 Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 07:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

I do feel it’s necessary to keep sources there too, if only to keep consistent with other film articles that source the box office in the infobox. Rusted AutoParts 02:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Plot

  • There's nothing wrong within the scope of GA, but to me it seems like there's quite a bit of MOS:OVERLINKING in this section and the lead so far. For example, I don't think Pi Patel needs to be linked to the Pi Patel section of the article for the novel, especially when that section has less information about Pi Patel than the article for the film does. "Acidic" does not need to be linked. "Adapted screenplay" in the lead does not need to be linked. I looked at multiple other articles for movies based on adapted screenplays, and none of them linked to film adaptation.
 Done

Cast

  • Elie Alouf as Francis: the note should be moved to a separate Notes section at the end of the article. (1b)

 Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 07:32, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

I just took it out, I didn't see it's purpose. Rusted AutoParts 02:53, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Production

  • "write an adapted screenplay": it's kind of redundant. It's not like he's going to write an unadapted screenplay. More concise to just say "write a screenplay. (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "Jeunet began writing the adapted screenplay": same as above. (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "Jeunet eventually left the project.": should have a source. (2)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "play the adult Pi, Adil Hussain would play Pi's father, while Tabu was in talks to play the role of Pi's mother.": grammar. Should be "play the adult Pi, and Adil Hussain..." (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 02:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "and concluded in Montreal, Quebec, Canada": this unnecessary disambiguation can be made more concise. (1a)
Could you clarify this a bit for me? Rusted AutoParts 02:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
I feel like since Montreal is clearly the primary topic, there's no need to say Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Just Montreal is good per MOS:GEO.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 03:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 23:17, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "The R&H VFX (Visual Effects) Supervisor": unlink VFX as it's already linked above. Also, "Visual Effects" and "Supervisor" should be lowercase (1a)

 Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 02:09, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Rusted AutoParts 23:17, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Music

  • section seems good to me

Distribution

  • "Life of Pi's financial success had been under review.": not sure what this means. (1a)
I rephrased to "was uncertain". Rusted AutoParts 23:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "It looks like chances are very slim that the film will earn back its production and marketing costs let alone turn a profit.": I think you need to duplicate the ref over here since it's a direct quote. not sure though. (2b)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 23:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "including a one-hour making-of special entitled A Filmmaker's Epic Journey, two featurettes focusing on the film's visual effects, as well as two": there should be an "and" instead of a comma between "Journey" and "two" (1a)

 Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 02:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Rusted AutoParts 23:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Reception

  • "in Australia, Chile": should be "in Australia and Chile," (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 22:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "the biggest Hollywood hit of the year": kinda peacock-y. (1b)
Reworded, does that work? Rusted AutoParts 22:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "and is now the tenth highest grossing Hollywood release of all time": MOS:RELTIME. (1b)
Reworded, does that work? Rusted AutoParts 22:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Everything you have done thus far is good. Article is definitely on track to becoming a GA.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 19:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times gave Life of Pi four out of four": is it four out of four stars? or just a four out of four? (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 20:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "as well as "one of the best films of the year."": citation needs to go here as well. (2)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 20:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "Comparatively": this means "relatively", and that doesn't really make sense in this context. Maybe "similarly"? (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 20:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Marjolaine Gout and AO Scott quotes: same as above. should be a citation after each quotation. (2)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 00:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Last paragraph of critical reception ("The film has been described as... ) is a run-on sentence. Also, is "(see Gaia hypothesis)" supposed to be within the quote? (1a)
I believe I've fixed it. Rusted AutoParts 00:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • In the "Accolades" section, everything after the Academy Awards section is unreferenced. (2)
Trimmed out the unsourced, sourced Golden Globes. If there's a separate article for awards the Accolades section is typically reserved to go over the more notable awards. Rusted AutoParts 00:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "Despite the Oscar for Best Visual": might be more clear to say "Despite winning the Oscar..." (1a)
 Done Rusted AutoParts 00:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "green key colour": what is the MOS:ENGVAR for this article? Dates are MDY, but this is a Commonwealth spelling for colo(u)r.
I took the U out. Rusted AutoParts 00:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "in order to raise awareness for what is happening to the effects industry.": what is happening? the connection between how this issue, which seems localized to R&H, relates to some industry-wide issue is not clear/apparent. (1a)
Reworded. Rusted AutoParts 00:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • " In an April 7, 2011, ACA monitor, Gina Johnson, wrote that "last week we almost killed King".": The quotes in this paragraph need sources directly after. Also, who or what is "King"? It is not mentioned anywhere else in the article. (1a/2)

 Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 02:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Added an unquoted line to clarify who King is. Rusted AutoParts 00:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Images

  • Suraj Sharma: the caption is kind of ambiguous as to whether it is Pi or Sharma who is 16. Maybe something like "Suraj Sharma was cast as the 16 year old Pi Patel" (6b)

 Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 02:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Clarified. Rusted AutoParts 00:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Reference numbers based on this version

  • 3: "Film at Lincoln Center" would be a better choice for website.
 Done
I took it out of the lead in general. Rusted AutoParts 00:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
  • 24, 25, 87 and 91: citation style not consistent with rest of refs.
I'm not sure I follow on this. Rusted AutoParts 00:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
I was wrong about 24. But 25 (The Globe and Mail ref), 87 (the Faunce paper), and 91 (the VFX protest source) don't use the same CS1 style templates as the rest of the article. It's ok though because it turns out it's not within the scope of GA reviews.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 17:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
  • 41: should include the actual video creator in the reference, The Daily, not just YouTube.
  • 44: dead link. new link [3]

 Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 03:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

44 doesn't appear dead to me. Rusted AutoParts 00:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
It was "Vfx team dares to take tiger by the tail" from Variety. It's ok, I fixed it.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 17:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I shall begin work on these points tomorrow. Rusted AutoParts 05:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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