Talk:Iraqi–Kurdish conflict

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Page title[edit]

It seems to me the page name is misleading, i suggest a more suitable "Kurdish-Iraqi conflict".Greyshark09 (talk) 13:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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ICP symbol[edit]

the Iraqi Communist Party symbol at that article is a fairly recent one, not one used during guerrilla phase. Also, there should be a link to Iraqi Partisan movement, 1979–1988. --Soman (talk) 20:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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NPOV dispute: "Jash" is a highly derogatory term meaning "donkey's foal", it should not be used in the infobox, plus the article needs to be checked for other POV[edit]

The term "Jash" used in the infobox, is a highly derogatory term meaning "donkey's foal" used by nationalist Kurds to denounce Kurds associating with non-Kurdish governments as essentially being Quislings. "Jash" and similar POV material should be removed.--R-41 (talk) 14:47, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Timescale[edit]

I guess it is not an easy task to pinpoint the exact beginning of the Barzanis' struggle for Kurdish independence, and some indeed put the date to 1961, when the new Iraqi Republic began their first war with the Kurdish separatists. However, it must be remembered, that Mullah Barzani's first insurgent campaigns were much earlier, during the Iraqi kingdom period. Mullah Barzani joined Kurdish insurgency in Iraq in the 1931 Kurdish revolt, commanding Barzan fighters, and Mullah was later the leader of the bloody campaign in 1943-1945, until defeated and exiled to Iran. If we go further into the past, we do not find links to Mullah Barzani himself, but the most serious attempt to establish a Kurdish state in the first half of 20th century was made by the tribe of Barzan in 1924, and this attempt is usually linked with the 1931 revolt. Historian attitude is mixed. Some describe the conflict as a struggle from 1970 (The Kurdish autonomy agreement), with the background of the First Kurdish-Iraqi War. Others see it as a continuous campaign by Mullah Mustafa since the inception of his claims for the Kurdish state in 1931, while there is also the attitude that the organized Kurdish separatism in Iraq began in early 1920 with the attempt to establish the Kingdom of Kurdistan.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To emphasize my point - see Yassin Vision or reality?: the Kurds in the policy of the great powers, 1941-1947, where he mentions the "Kurdish-Iraqi conflict" during its WWII phase.Greyshark09 (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While it is true there were some Kurdish uprisings in the past, and Barzani may have had a part in that the First Iraqi-Kurdish War, the Second Iraqi-Kurdish War up to 1991 Iraqi withdrawl were basically all one war involving the same factions, although there were a few short cease-fires. Since we have made all different articles for different phases of this war 1961-1970, 1975-1975, 1976-1979, 1983-1988, 1991, I believe there should be also an article about that conflict as a whole. I believe a seperate article can be made for the entire history of Iraqi Kurds.Kermanshahi (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, 1983-1988 article wasn't created by us, and it is a bit low quality, we should improve it. Secondly, this article should be the "conflict as a whole", but still not dropping the previous rebellions - many sources see the Kurdish struggle against Iraq as a continuous process since the British Mandatory rule.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding your notion of 1974-1991 conflicts as one single "second Kurdish Iraqi war" - can you bring sources for this claim? ThanksGreyshark09 (talk) 20:35, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

@Kermanshani, your edit removing all events before 1961 is only according to some view points, while others see the Kurdish-Iraqi conflict as lasting from 1920s (both viewpoints were previously described in the article). I will revert you to return the balanced NPOV.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well that is simply not true, because After 1918-1924, the fighting stopped for 37 straight years (although you claim there were 2 unsourced uprisings in 1931 and 1943, which, if anything, were very minor), meanwhile the fact remains that Iraq only became an independent state from the United Kingdom in 3 October 1932 (so everything prior to that can be called Kurdish-British conflict, if anything) while from 1961-1991 there was straight war (with a minor 4 year cease-fire in the middle). You have turned this into a history summary of Iraqi Kurds 1918-present and try to portray that as 1 war. Now meanwhile there were dozens of uprisings in Iraqi Kurdistan prior to 1918 as well... So really you are not in the right place here. Also, you better remember that Kurdish self controll was established in October 1991 after all Iraqi forces withdrew from Kurdish territory, leaving insurgents victorious and able to establish their own government. That US invasion and change of Iraqi government happened much later and is not the result of this conflict, but of other political issues unrelated to Kurds or Kurdish autonomy.Kermanshahi (talk) 17:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seems you are not aware that Kurdish rebellions in Iraq went streight through 1930s until some pacification in 1945, when Mullah Barazani and his Peshmerga went into exile in Iran and USSR (including the Mahabad affair). There was some pause in fighting between 1945 (end of Mullah Barzani rebellion of 43-45) and 1961 (First Kurdish-Iraqi war), but the conflict simply changed phases - it temporarily became political until again the Barazanis rebelled in 1961. I will create articles on the most serious uprisings in 1931 and 1943-1945 shortly to clear this out, please several days so i would be able to create them. Regarding Iraq, by the way, the name was adopted in 1920, following the Iraqi revolt and established officially as Kingdom of Iraq under British Administration in 1922. Iraqi Kingdom became fully independent in 1932 as you have said.Greyshark09 (talk) 09:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on Iraqi Kurdistan's level of autonomy[edit]

I would like to invite editors to comment at RfC proposal on Iraqi Kurdistan's level of autonomy, essentially resolving whether Iraqi Kurdistan should or shouldn't be added to the "other Dependent territories" under Asia topic.GreyShark (dibra) 18:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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indpendence vote[edit]

I just read this article, but don't see anything yet about it on wikipedia. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to make an update, but it seemed relevant to this page. --Lasunncty (talk) 01:44, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is Iraqi Kurdistan independence referendum, 2017 article dealing with that. However, the Iraqi-Kurdish conflict finished in 2003 and hence the relevance of this page to Iraqi Kurdistan independence referendum, 2017 is a long-term effect at most. I will add a short paragraph in the aftermath section on that.GreyShark (dibra) 07:26, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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