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I've moved the content you created to Student research observatories from the Talk: namespace. Does this have potential to be encyclopedic? --Christopherlin 17:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Bogotá enclave

According to the maps on the Bogotá, Capital District page, the Capital District is not an enclave of Cundinamarca Department. Are these maps incorrect? --Lasunncty 16:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought they were, but I have just confirmed that this is not the case - I was confusing the urban area of Bogotá with the whole of the Capital District. --Fibonacci 00:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Rizal exclave

Municipalities of San Mateo and Rodriguez are separated from Rizal congressional district by the district of Antipolo City. --Filipinayzd 17:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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Finishing Brazil anytime soon?

Are you going to do the mesoregions and microregions for Sergipe, São Paulo, and Tocantins any time soon? :) Rarelibra (talk) 23:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Forwarding what I left on the wrong person's talk page - he thinks you set up the chart or display of solar system objects. Sorry I am not ever going to be an adept wiki-editor. Forwarded text:

help for the color blind or red-insensitive

I ran into your nice work on the sizes of bodies in the solar system. List_of_Solar_System_objects_by_radius [1] I cannot, however, read what appears to be red lettering on black on the black-background figure near the bottom. Red looks almost black to me. I do not know how to edit art work. Perhaps you could change the red to yellow, white, light blue, or orange. (violet would not work either). I can, of course, see the red-on-white. It looks like black-on-white so I almost did not finish saving this! The title beneath the figure with red on black is "A relative comparison of some of the mid-sized bodies in the Solar System." Thanks Carrionluggage (talk) 02:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC) Thanks Carrionluggage (talk) 19:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC) Thanks very much - the orange works.Carrionluggage (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Picture of the month

Thanks for pointing out the problem with the pyrimid. You are the first person to notice it after half a month. Aiden Fisher (talk) 09:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

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Malaysian border lengths

Hi, thanks for the querry. I obtained the lengths from various local sources, such as the Malaysian Natural Resources and Environment Ministry's website and a conference paper on Malaysian boundaries presented by an officer of the Malaysian Mapping and Survey Department. I have linked the sources as footnotes in the relevant border pages. Just click the corresponding country name and it will link to the relevant border page eg. Brunei will bring you to Brunei-Malaysia border page. Cheers. Slleong (talk) 17:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Glossary of graph theory

Wow, the sentence you deleted was part of the original version of that article, when there was only one example graph. The other examples were only added about six weeks ago. How do you think we should handle the numerous other references to "the example graph" still left in that article? Perhaps labeling the graphs as example 1, example 2, etc? --Lasunncty (talk) 00:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hm, indeed... I'm opposed to numbering graphs, because the numbering gets incorrect as soon as somebody adds a new one, and it's nightmarish to change each reference every time this happens. However, I believe all references are about the first graph in the article. Maybe we should title it as "reference graph" and replace all occurrences of "in the example graph" by "in the reference graph". Let's continue this on the talk page of the article. Ratfox (talk) 15:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

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POWOK to POWH

I saw your moves of Prince of Wales-Outer Ketchikan to Prince of Wales-Hyder, and after investigating, found a detailed explanation here, in case you've not seen it before. Big question: do you have any idea how much has been annexed? Any idea if we could find a map of the area as it is now? Thanks for observing this change and making the necessary moves! Nyttend (talk) 05:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the map links — talk about high-quality maps! Sorry for the confusion over Metlakatla and Meyers Chuck: I hadn't paid attention to the new map and thus didn't notice the should-be-obvious Metlakatla enclave. As for Meyers Chuck, the explanation is more detailed: see Talk:Meyers Chuck, Alaska. Nyttend (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Alaska maps

Yes, I can update those maps. I see how the Unorganized Borough map needs to be updated, but what needs to be changed in the Yakutat map? --​​​​D.B.^{talk•contribs} 15:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Both the Unorganized Borough map and Yakutat map are up. I took liberty of also fixing the Valdez-Cordova Census Area map. --​​​​D.B.^{talk•contribs} 16:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Why did you revert my change

Can you explain why you reverted my change in Extreme points of the United States?

Your comment says it is not redundant, but it clearly is. If it is not redundant then the two statements:

• highest town with permanent residents above 10,000 ft
• highest town with permanent residents

would have different answers. They do not.

For example, consider the entry for Mt Whitney:

• highest point in the 48 contiguous states

Is “48 contiguous states” redundant? No, because the answer would be different without it.

As an aside, I realize my correction was flawed, because I did not include the necessary qualifier “in all of U.S. territory”. That qualifier is needed, as there are towns with permanents residents at higher altitudes. In fact, if you can convince me that your proposed qualifier is needed, we still need the qualifier in all of U.S. territory”.

Let’s resolve first why you feel the need for the qualifier “above 10,000 ft”.Sphilbrick (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge tags

Please do not remove merge tags that were just added while a discussion is ongoing. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 12:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I misread the history. I was under the impression that Lumos3 placed them and then realized that the article was not what he thought it was. --Lasunncty (talk) 21:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Does it matter? The article is in such poor shape. Why do we have a short subtopic separate from its short parent topic? Viriditas (talk) 22:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: locator map

the old locator map did not work correctly at longitudes near 180 so I had to manually move the coords around until they showed up in the correct place. If you want to change them, I don't really mind. Thingg^⊕⊗ 21:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Inquiry on Software Used to Create the File "orbit1.svg"

Dear Lasunncty,

Can you please specify what software you used to create the orbit1.svg? [It is one of the best descriptional figures for orbital elements!] And if the originally saved format is not svg, is it possible to ask you for it?

[I thought about making some additions for my class lecture notes.]

Thank you!

David. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.54.197 (talk) 19:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, David! I actually wrote the code myself, based off the older files orbit.png and orbit.svg. To view it before uploading, I used Sketsa.

As far as getting the file in another format, you can download a png version directly from the image page: orbit1.svg. If that's not what you had in mind, let me know. --Lasunncty 02:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Qal'at Ja'bar / Tomb of Suleyman Shah

Hi. Sorry for my removal; hadn't seen there was a historical section. I updated the entry with what I know, which is not much as this whole issue is very sketchy; it's hard to find reliable sources. -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 20:38, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

And another thing; the Tomb of Suleyman Shah still is an exclave, AFAIK. So in the way the entry is phrased now, it can still be in the list of current exclaces. It's just that the people who put the articles on the tomb and the castle really made such a mess out of it that it was really confusing. So, to clarify, the Tomb of Suleyman Shah is still an exclave (or whatever is the correct name for something like this); Qal'at Ja'bar is not (see the latter for more details). Hope this helps! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 20:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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List of countries by length of coastline

I noticed that you have remove dependencies from the ranking. May I know why? Could you add them back? (By 'dependencies' I of course don't mean to include places like Antarctica.) 119.237.156.46 (talk) 05:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I excluded them from the ranking mainly because I thought it was more appropriate to include only the independent countries. After all, the page title is "List of countries..." (Regardless, perhaps it should be renamed.) If you think it is a big deal, we could open it up for discussion on the talk page. Some other country lists include the dependent territories in the ranking, some do not, and some have no ranking at all, so that doesn't help in terms of consistency. May I ask why you think they should be included? --Lasunncty (talk) 09:49, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Countries aren't sovereign states per se I'm afraid. And the English language wouldn't have two words for no reason. A way out would perhaps be two columns, one for all countries ranking, the other solely for sovereign states. 119.237.156.46 (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

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Administrative Region (Federal District)

Hi! Actually I will expand the article soon, with more material from the portuguese wiki (which need some cleanup and expanding by itself, but still). I believe the article is necessary, and should stand. The existence of RA's is controverse, since the citizens of the cities, some with more than 200.000 habitants, have no elected representants, and a lot of people want to chance that; but it's difficult since it's a "stone clause" that can be changed only by a Constituent Assembly. There is some resemblance with the District of Columbia voting rights, (with much less political mobilization, but there is some). Also, the info of the list can be found in the {{Administrative Regions of Federal District, Brazil}}. Regards ZackTheJack (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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I actually did it on purpose, because I don't believe the website is specific to the TV station or to the radio station. --Lasunncty (talk) 09:53, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Alaska boroughs, etc.

I've noticed you've drawn a new map of Alasks first-order administrative units. Looks good. I want to talk to you about Yakutat though-- regardless of what the article says, it is not a unified borough, it is a non-unified borough that happens to be called "city and borough." The Catalan language version notes this,as does the English language article about the borough itself. I don't know what this means for your map, but I'd say it means Yakutat needs to be green if the map purports to show what the divisions are versus what they are called (though you could indeed make a map showing the later, but that would be different too). RangerRichard (talk) 16:47, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

This would also be true for Haines, from what I can see. Maybe I should make separate colors for each borough class, rather than only the two groups I have now. --Lasunncty (talk) 10:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure the full class distinction is all that interesting. I'd stick with the distinction between unorganized and organized, or at most between unified and non-unified, and thence unorganized. RangerRichard (talk) 02:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I'll just change Haines and Yakutat then. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy. --Lasunncty (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Finally got around to fixing this. Sorry it took so long. --Lasunncty (talk) 09:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Tropic change

I see you keep constantly posting the actual date into the article. It is right the angle does change constantly but the sun is only once a year in actual zenit over the tropic and changes are so minimal with each day that it does not make sense to write 15th of January it was here, 16th of January there. If you are willing to write down the mili-second degree it changes every day than that's fine by me but its has to be updated every day otherwise the degrees are not correct! Because if you leave the coordinates that I looked out for the 21st of June when the Sun is in actually in Zenit over the Tropic of Cancer and write next to it 1st of February than it's simply wrong. So please stop changing the article all the time or calculate the position of the tropic every day if you have ample time! I took myself the time to calculate when summer solstice is occurring and where the tropic lies at that specific moment, so if a person wanted to see the sun in Zenit in that given year the coordinates are very accurate down to the second. I hope this way you finally understand my reasoning! Let me know if you still have doubts or don't understand me. --Samjam7 (talk) 02:42, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The earth's axis is always tilted, not only on the solstices. The formula being used calculates the angle based on the current date and time. The angle on the solstices will be different from what it is now. But by using the formula, no one has to update the page anymore – it does it automatically. Whenever you or anyone else reads it, it is correct for that time. By typing in a single value, it will always be incorrect unless someone happens to read it at exactly the moment of the solstice. --Lasunncty (talk) 09:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Why not have both values - today and the solstice? Bazonka (talk) 20:35, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I'm very well aware of the fact that the axis is always tilted, I guess since it's an imaginary line I felt it made more sense to use the one that applies on the actual solstice that's why the tropics were originally calculated I guess. But if, as you say it updates the degrees, minutes and seconds all the time it's fine by me. I thought only the date changed. Concerning Bazonka, I think it's better to use only one degree otherwise it may become confusing. --Samjam7 (talk) 00:55, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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List of Finnish municipalities

In your edit to List of Finnish municipalities you made last February, you created a column called "code". Could you please add to the article what is meant by code. It's not clear, or else I would have done that? You also added the sentence "Notice that if the place has both a Finnish and a Swedish name, the majority language is preferred." Does this mean that in some cases the name in the parenthesis is Swedish and in other cases it's Finnish? It's not clear. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

The code is from the source I used. Honestly, I don't know what it means. As for the names, I didn't change them from what they were before my edit. So I don't know which ones are Swedish and which ones are Finnish. --Lasunncty (talk) 02:39, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

What source did you use? Perhaps it explains the meaning of the code? If you, as the person who entered the code, do not know what the code means, it should obviously be removed, unless we can find the meaning (and determine that the meaning is of encyclopedic value). Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 06:47, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

This one. In the Area dropdown you can select "Municipalities in numerical order". That is where I got them, so I assumed they had some kind of significance. But I agree, if we can't figure it out then we should remove it. --Lasunncty (talk) 05:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the code from the article. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 23:12, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the individual articles for the municipalities with names in parenthesis, it seems that the name in parenthesis is always the Swedish name, so I reworded the intro to the table. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 03:41, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Non-sovereign semi-enclaves/exclaves

Hello, my friend. Regarding your edits on non-sovereign semi-enclaves, Vinokurov affirms that "no similar quantitative criterion [coastline length] is needed to define the scope of non-sovereign semi-enclaves/exclaves." He applies that only to the sovereign ones. The reference is given in the list. Jeff in CA (talk) 14:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I guess I skimmed over that sentence. But while I have your attention, the distinction between semi- and pene- en/exclaves has never been clear to me. Could those two sections be combined? --Lasunncty (talk) 03:47, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

The difference is that semi-claves have unhibited access from a coastline through their own territorial waters to the high sea. This is different from pene-claves. It is a distinction that Vinokurov makes in his 2007 thesis/book. There are so few semi-claves that it makes sense to separate them, at least as a unique subset of Robinson's definition of pene-claves. Jeff in CA (talk) 17:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. Another question for you: in OpenStreetMap it shows all the Plazas de soberanía as being completely surrounded by Moroccan territorial waters. Is this accurate? If so, they would be real en/exclaves, not just semi-ones. Same situation with Gibraltar, Oecusse, and Fujian Province, Republic of China. --Lasunncty (talk) 03:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@Lasunncty: I don't think that is accurate. I know I've seen a map of the Mediterranean somewhere that illustrated this very thing. It showed each country's marine boundaries and their access to international waters. I'm sure I downloaded the file (either in an academic paper or a book) but I can't find it now. I believe it showed the normal territorial limits for the Spanish areas bordering Morocco, but I'm not sure. I won't be able to look further for at least a week.Jeff in CA (talk) 06:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Doing a Google image search, the only one of the territories I mentioned that I could find a good case for being a real en/exclave is Oecusse. --Lasunncty (talk) 09:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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Finnish municipality

You updated Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/total area. Good, but some entries were removed and that causes errors. I'm hoping you will know how to fix them. At Juankoski and Luvia, the message "convert: invalid number" is displayed because, for example, {{Infobox Finnish Municipality/total area|Juankoski}} outputs nothing other than a reference. Inconsistently, the "waters area" is still working. Johnuniq (talk) 09:21, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

They were removed from the template because they have merged with other municipalities. I have updated the articles with the most recent data before the merger. --Lasunncty (talk) 08:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Blanco Telescope

I reverted your change on conversions to provide a method which doesn't involve doing the conversions manually or specifying odd numbers of decimals for one side or the other. For what it's worth, I find that telescope in lists described as a 401cm telescope, but the details seem to be 4.0229 m and 158.38 inches. Not clear if you want to go into that level of precision :-) --Tarl N. (talk) 16:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

What you did is acceptable. I just noticed that both 4.0 and 4.1 m were converting to 160 inches, which was not enough precision. --Lasunncty (talk) 08:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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Capitalization of solar system bodies

Since your frequent edits to Equinox prevent me from editing, please capitalize Earth and Sun throughout, as is appropriate in science-related articles. Jc3s5h (talk) 02:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, fixed. --Lasunncty (talk) 02:07, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

List of globular cluster - answer

Yes, on Andromeda Galaxy and Wolf-Lundmark-Melotte and Large Magellanic Cloud. Space2006 (talk) 12:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Space2006: Many of the ones you added are not in these articles. Plus Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself. --Lasunncty (talk) 07:56, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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"rv ip edit"

Regarding this edit summary, "rv ip edit" does not contain any actual reason for reverting. I'm not saying you were wrong to revert (frankly I'm not 100% sure what the ip was doing) but just being an ip isn't a reason to revert. Phrasing it like that, whether this was your intent or not, makes it sound like ip editors are some sort of lower class of editors who can be reverted without cause, when in truth they make very significant contributions to the encyclopedia. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:37, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

I apologize, I didn't mean to offend. I agree that many ip edits are useful (I myself have made some ip edits in the past). I was merely trying to describe which edit I was reverting, not stating the reason for doing so. If it were a logged in user, I might have stated the username, but I was lazy and didn't feel like typing out the numbers. I will try to be more sensitive to this in the future. Thanks for reaching out. --Lasunncty (talk) 09:56, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

somaliland pushin map

Hi there!

I noticed that you're behind the Somaliland location SVG map, and I really appreciate the hard work you put into it.

However, it would be nice if there was a map that looked almost the same except zoomed in on Somaliland, instead of including whole of the rest of Somalia in an awkward grey colour. Surely, all non-highlighted countries should be cropped out, right?

The fact that articles about cities in other breakaway states showcase maps like these prove my point. Now, I understand if it might be too much to ask, but it would make a big difference when it comes to this topic. Zaki199105 (talk) 21:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@Zaki199105: Ok, I created a new version for you: File:Somaliland Map1.svg. Thanks for reaching out! --Lasunncty (talk) 03:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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Portal - Astronomy - Events - July 2021

Hi, just fyi, today I created next month ahead of time. Afterwards I see you are posting this info for a long time. Please look at this for my very first go-round & possibly mistakes. I gleaned info from both Seasky and In-the-sky websites. Recently I started updating Anniversaries at Astronomy portal & nearing finish. JoeNMLC (talk) 13:32, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@JoeNMLC: I don't mind at all if you contribute to the event calendar! As you can see I'm often late in populating the monthly events. I am happy to proofread whatever you come up with. Thanks for your work cleaning up the portal. --Lasunncty (talk) 21:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

After some thought, another organization I belong to meets on Odd-number months. So I was thinking to do same with Astronomy Events. That way each of us can do 6 per year and then still be "semi-active". JoeNMLC (talk) 04:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Just to clarify, you want to do the odd months and I'll do the even ones? --Lasunncty (talk) 08:40, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I like the idea of sharing. "Odd months" for me, and you can check what I'm updating as I am new with Astronomy & still learning. Always have had a keen interest in stars, exploration & science. Wrote my first term paper on Oceanography. JoeNMLC (talk) 12:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good! --Lasunncty (talk) 21:27, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi - friendly reminder of Template:Celestial events by month links for October 2021. ω Awaiting - JoeNMLC (talk) 23:06, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I was on vacation. But it is now done. --Lasunncty (talk) 06:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@JoeNMLC: I hope I didn't step on your toes, but I went ahead and created the event calendar for this month. --Lasunncty (talk) 03:05, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Wikidata - Aizkraukle Municipality (Q97229842) and Aizkraukle Municipality (Q865676)

There are two different entries in Wikidata - Aizkraukle Municipality (Q97229842) and Aizkraukle Municipality (Q865676). They aren't same administrative units. On 8th February you moved interwikis from one entry to another, but that was mistake. Information still are about administrative unit till 30th June, 2021, that means, must change information in articles, or revert your changes. Can you clean up this mess? --Treisijs (talk) 18:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

There is same problem with another new administrative units of Latvia. There also need revert your changes.--Treisijs (talk) 18:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

These moves were made as a result of this discussion. I agree that it is messy, but I'd rather not revert them unless there is some kind of consensus. --Lasunncty (talk) 06:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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SE Ak. (Wrangell, Alaska)

You omitted the word forgotten. It is possible for facts to be known, accepted completely, and still not be well known or even known hardly at all. Also you talk about the size of the former city without mentioning that the size is smaller than the current one.Summerdays1 (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Summerdays1: I probably should have removed the part about being known as well, since it wouldn't belong on Wikipedia if it wasn't! The fact that some have forgotten it is not necessary to mention. But anyway, if this is a little known fact, it should probably have a source to back it up.

You can tell that the former city is smaller than the current one by looking at the numbers, so it seemed redundant to state it explicitly. --Lasunncty (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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