Talk:Insurgency in Southeastern Nigeria

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New name?[edit]

Since the military conflict has both spread and escalated, I think it's time for a better name for this article ("Orlu Crisis" can be the title of a separate page dealing exclusively with the fighting in Orlu). Any suggestions? I would appreciate it if we can avoid godawful descriptive non-titles such as "ESN insurgency in Eastern Nigeria (2021-present)". Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 02:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikrobølgeovn: I think that "ESN insurgency" carries its own problems, as non-ESN militant groups seem to have become involved as well. Perhaps the most neutral and fitting one would be "2021 insurgency in southeastern Nigeria"? At least until a proper title appears in media or among academics. Applodion (talk) 10:50, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Allied Democratic Forces insurgency is called ADF insurgency even though other non-ADF militant groups are involved. Also, even we do go with something like "2021 insurgency in southeastern Nigeria" please don't include a number. The number is just unneeded and looks ugly. Another name could be "Insurgency in Imo." Wowzers122 (talk) 20:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Insurgency in Imo" is problematic since the conflict has spread even outside the borders of former Biafra/Eastern Region. I'm also a bit worried that this conflict can be confused with the Conflict in the Niger Delta? Also, the way things are looking, the ESN is not the only armed group taking up arms against the central government. As of now, I think "Insurgency in Eastern Nigeria" is the most suitable. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under the Laws of IHL and Armed Conflict, the proper label is an armed conflict or internal armed conflict in Southeastern Nigeria Cite: Art 3 Common to the Geneva Conventions 1949 and Additional Protocol II 1977 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.67.29.244 (talk) 19:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia follows common naming, and not law-based international norms. Please offer a name supported by sources, then we can adjust it. Applodion (talk) 19:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly review: Chapter: Insurgents as Party to the Conflict Author: Yoram Dinstein “Non-international Armed Conflicts in International Law” (2nd Ed, Cambridge University Press, 2021). Page describes situation as a military conflict which it is and the page clearly shows that the organisation criterion has been sufficiently met - to be classified as a Non-International Armed Conflict or Internal Armed Conflict not an Insurgency which is also not the common name but the dubiously government-pushed and preferred nomenclature so that the laws of NIAC do not apply to it as a party to the Geneva Conventions and APII. Most people and Independent media in Nigeria do not regard the conflict as an Insurgency unlike the Boko haram and religiously extremist Insurgency by actual Terrorists in the North - East. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.67.29.246 (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again: Produce a source which names this conflict. Wikipedia follows common naming; see for example the "Malayan Emergency" or "The Troubles" which gained their names despite being clearly more than merely an "emergency" or "troubles". Applodion (talk) 20:49, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-operation[edit]

There is an ongoing :thing: (or whatever, military (counter-)operation/military counter-insurgency combined with police action), of the name operation python dance. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC) ps So it turns out that police action is a counter-insurgency; I mean 'civilian' police action.[reply]

pps Why is this a biographical article? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 16:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2021[edit]

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Nnamdi kanu was abducted re: https://gazettengr.com/sss-charges-nnamdi-kanu-for-calling-buhari-an-idiot-says-london-within-nigerian-court-jurisdiction/ 2603:8000:2C03:7A2A:838:BA63:9862:20E3 (talk) 08:28, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More reputable sources such as the BBC and Reuters state that he was arrested by Interpol. The claim that he was kidnapped by Nigerians or Kenyans has been spread by his supporters and family, see here. We still don't know what really happened, but as of now, there is no firm proof for his family's story. Applodion (talk) 10:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Shouldn't the main orlu Crisis be dated to January 16[edit]

it was seen in a news link here showing some ESN members claiming to have chased out police in this news link https://theajm.news.blog/2021/01/16/police-abandon-vehicles-and-flee-as-they-clash-with-esn-in-orlu/ in January of 16 Brek1234567 (talk) 10:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Brek1234567: Thank you for correcting this and adding the info! Applodion (talk) 12:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

no problem Brek1234567 (talk) 13:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

8th June 2021 propaganda[edit]

Apparently on 8th June 2021 when the police were said to have busted a camp it was later proven to be false as written here https://saharareporters.com/2021/01/09/were-yet-locate-eastern-security-network-officials-camp-south-east-%E2%80%93-police Brek1234567 (talk) 19:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Brek1234567: That's not what the article is saying, or at least I don't read it that way. As far as I see it, the police official in the article claims that the ESN is completely fake, despite the fact that photographic evidence of combat operations had already been published at the time. Applodion (talk) 20:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the article says that the police officials are yet to locate a camp Brek1234567 (talk) 05:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Brek1234567: That's what I'm talking about. The police official claimed that the police had not yet found any ESN camps or ESN members, even though video evidence of ESN battling security forces existed at this point. Simply put, the police official was probably lying. Applodion (talk) 11:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know man those members aren't even wearing ESN uniforms for what so ever Brek1234567 (talk) 20:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Brek1234567: True, but it still seems very strange that we get reports of police members being killed and kidnapped by ESN fighters, followed by the police claiming that they have never seen any proof of the ESN's existence. Later, the police also did admit that they fought the ESN, so I have no idea why this one police official would even issue this weird denial. Applodion (talk) 09:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this is the reason https://intersociety-ng.org/graphic-details-ofhow-soldiers-police-ors-in-the-east-hatefully-falsely-label-abduct-innocent-citizens-and-spill-their-bloods-for-gallantry/

https://saharareporters.com/2023/05/02/how-nigeria-police-force-criminals-claim-be-ipob-members-separatist-group Brek1234567 (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New title?[edit]

Shouldon't the title be changed to "Insurgency in Biafra", because the separatist groups (IPOB,ESN,BNL) want the independence of "Biafra", and the Local that the insurgency is going on, was territories of the Republic of Biafra (1967-1970), and etc. Jaztie não é árabe (talk) 14:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

biafra isn't a country yet so no even if they do hold territories Brek1234567 (talk) 04:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Biafra liberation army topic[edit]

I feel like there should be a new topic on the Biafra liberation army as @Applodion stated as it formed in October 2023 Brek1234567 (talk) 04:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]