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Because the presence of some individuals or groups has been disputed in the past, the convention in this article is that, rather than just a citation, a quotation should be given in the footnote, or a direct link to a webpage, so that entries can be seen to be valid by other editors. Because this is English Wikipedia sources need to be in English, or a translation provided in the citations. Please note that where web page links are given and they go dead, it is likely the entry will eventually be deleted.--SabreBD (talk) 13:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

There are a few problems with this.
  1. Per Wikipedia policy, sources do not need to be in English.
  2. Per Wikipedia policy, sources do not need to be online.
  3. Per this guideline, citations are not to be removed when they go dead.
These policies and guidelines can not be overridden by consensus on talk page. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
On the second two. This statement does not say that sources need to be online, there are lots of paper sources here. It also does not say that dead references will be removed immediately, but "eventually", which is in line with the guideline. On the first one, it seems that the guideline was changed in 2013 and as usual without any real discussion. I will have to think about that and whether I can be bothered to go through the pain of getting the guideline restored, or if I can think of some sort of wording that is useful here and in line with the guideline. If it is not possible to ask for a translation, then this it may be impossible to maintain the quality of this page, which, frankly, is damned near impossible as it is.--SabreBD (talk) 16:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2015

Eminem - King of Hip Hop - United States - [1] Slavadamien (talk) 03:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: If you look further up the page, you can see that this has been discussed repeatedly in the past and consensus is squarely against this addition to the list. (I trimmed out the remainder of the request, which was a paste of a good chunk of the wikitable from the article.) ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Eteethan(talk) 22:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Billie Holiday

Lady Day.Topcoat ballet (talk) 06:38, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

You have a point. I will try to find a source.--SabreBD (talk) 21:25, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

African American Registry http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/billie-holiday-one-kind-jazzblues-singer (Nicknamed Lady Day by saxophonist Lester Young.)Topcoat ballet (talk) 17:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Kings of New York

Is it worth adding in the various rappers who've claimed been proclaimed as 'King of NY'? I'm talking Biggie, Nas, Jay, 50, etc. Source 60.234.89.126 (talk) 13:33, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Only if there are reliable sources that indicated they are called this (calling yourself king means nothing if it is not widely adopted). Then it is fine.--SabreBD (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2015

Add Nicki Minaj. She's been referred to as the First Lady of Hip-Hop, the Queen of Rap, and the Queen of Hip-Hop by many magazines, websites, etc. 98.193.217.73 (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you wouldn't mind providing them, that would be wonderful Cannolis (talk) 04:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

King of Western Swing

I am astonished that Bob Wills and Spade Cooley, both known widely as the "King of Western Swing" do not appear on this page. I do not have the time or knowledge to add them here but perhaps someone else does. If you go to their individual pages here at Wikipedia you can see that both pages already show that they are known as the "King of Western Swing". A quick google search should come up with reliable sources. These guys deserve the recognition for sure! Thanks for help on this! Htfiddler (talk) 11:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

THE BEATLES - THE FAB FOUR ELTON JOHN -CAPTAIN FANTASTIC06:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)101.98.247.201 (talk)

THE BEATLES - THE FAB FOUR ELTON JOHN -CAPTAIN FANTASTIC06:20, 2 December 2015 (UTC)101.98.247.201 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2015

adding Ciara as the -First Lady of Crunk, Princess of R&B, Queen of Dance Video, Princess of Crunk- Unites States [1]

adding Chris Brown now as - the New King Of R&B- United States [2] Princeofurbanrap (talk) 08:31, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Eteethan(talk) 01:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm putting up more info to add to the honorific names of popular music. All that needs to be done is add these names to the artist Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:56, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/hear-ciara-s-moody-revamp-of-the-rolling-stones-paint-it-black-20151008 & http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/01/2015-year-ciara/ & http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ciara-princess-of-crunk-20041020 & http://www.bet.com/shows/106-and-park/photos/2012/06/the-princess-of-r-and-b.html#!b106133218-vipeek-ciara also a book called Rap-Up: The Ultimate Guide to Hip-Hop and R&B has honorific names of more artist
  2. ^ http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/968855

Prince of Teen & Urban Rap

Prince Moto Sapreme- Prince of Teen & Urban Rap- United States [1] Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:51, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I have giving sources that are not connected with the artist company or himself what so ever now why is his name been added yet to the article? Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done The "independent source" is a press release that can not really be called an independent source. Also, this list should be limited to actually notable artists, and Prince Moto Sapreme (Prince of Teen & Urban Rap) does not show any signs of notability. Finally, Wikipedia should not be used for self-promotion. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:03, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://www.indieartistsalliance.com/2015/12/prince-of-teenurban-rap

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2015

Add artist Lil B, title The Based God

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/arts/music/27lil.html?_r=2

Stevenpage31 (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

@Stevenpage31:  Done in this edit. Source and content in it checks out. Note that if you examine that diff, you'll see how I cited the source using a citation template ({{cite news}}). I don't begrudge composing it myself one bit, but just note that edit protected requests are best asked for (and are more likely to acted upon) if you provide the exact text you wish to add (or change). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2015

adding Prince Moto Sapreme - as the Prince Of Teen & Urban Rap - United States to the honorific names of popular music [1] |ans=yes Princeofurbanrap (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: This person does not appear to have their own Wikipedia article. /wiae /tlk 14:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://www.indieartistsalliance.com/2015/12/prince-of-teenurban-rap/

Jerry Lee Lewis

As one of the "founders" of Rock and Roll, I think Jerry Lee Lewis' honorific nickname should be included in this list - The Killer. Thanks for your consideration. Lickenchittle (talk) 19:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2015

Adding Usher (entertainer) to the Honorific Nickname page as the "Godson of Soul" and "King of R&B"

http://soultrain.com/2014/10/15/usher-godson-soul/ http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20005417,00.html http://www.today.com/id/5209619/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/new-king-rb/#.VmdZzOk3ODo

Grammys [1]

Washington Post [2]

Jet Magazine [3]

Jet Magazine [4]

Ebony Magazine [5]

Dominique8701 (talk) 22:39, December 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: Can you provide some more reliable sources for this @Dominique8701:? I am not seeing much, personally. --allthefoxes (Talk) 00:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
  1. ^ https://www.grammy.org/recording-academy/news/charles-keys-usher-west-emerge-as-top-47th-grammy-winners
  2. ^ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/25/AR2006122500191_pf.html
  3. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=qTsDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=JAMES+BROWN+USHER+GOD+SON+OF+SOUL&source=bl&ots=ZRfDMpZoeF&sig=8K8y1QMnoLSKNCyvkNBbuRslHd0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSmbSejarKAhVGoJQKHYuwAjgQ6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=JAMES%20BROWN%20USHER%20GOD%20SON%20OF%20SOUL&f=false
  4. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=ezoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA56&lpg=PA56&dq=JAMES+BROWN+USHER+GOD+SON+OF+SOUL&source=bl&ots=6IxRVFWjtL&sig=eqQSOww3OhknSiI_b10tlho8U5I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSmbSejarKAhVGoJQKHYuwAjgQ6AEISzAJ#v=onepage&q=JAMES%20BROWN%20USHER%20GOD%20SON%20OF%20SOUL&f=false
  5. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=kdMDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=JAMES+BROWN+USHER+GOD+SON+OF+SOUL&source=bl&ots=yUjDlM74fg&sig=TAlKGEDjFTgqXLkRZpjSznkytLo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSmbSejarKAhVGoJQKHYuwAjgQ6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=JAMES%20BROWN%20USHER%20GOD%20SON%20OF%20SOUL&f=false

Taylor Swift Queen of Pop

Preceded with no explanation nor signature from the contributor.

Not done: No sources provided. Usually, Madonna and artists with similar amounts of seniority are referred to as "kings" and "queens". My personal judgement also says no. Carbrera (talk) 05:42, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Reminder to sign your posts so we know who/whom we are speaking with! :)

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Edit request: honorific nicknames in popular music: Eminem

"Rolling Stone ranked him 83rd on its list of 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, calling him the King of Hip Hop" - Eminem's Wikipedia page. And when you click on king of hip hop, it directs you to the "honorific nicknames in popular music" page but king of hip hop isn't on the page anywhere. sources: Rolling Stone, Wiki

"With his dominant album sales, YouTube views and social-media scores, Eminem takes the title as the current King of Hip-Hop."

Read more: [1]

References

  1. ^ http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/introducing-the-king-of-hip-hop-20110815#ixzz3xtEVaTm0
 Done.  Assume good faith! Paine  22:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

If you look further up the page, you can see that this has been discussed repeatedly in the past and consensus is squarely against this addition to the list.DanJazzy (talk)

Taylor Swift- Princess of Pop Music and Country

Swift is known for narrative songs about her personal experiences. As a songwriter, she has been honored by the Nashville Songwriters Association and the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Swift's other achievements include ten Grammy Awards, one Emmy Award, 22 Billboard Music Awards, 11 Country Music Association Awards, eight Academy of Country Music Awards, and one Brit Award. She is one of the best-selling artists of all time, having sold more than 40 million albums—including 27.1 million in the U.S.—and 130 million single downloads. The album's lead single, "Shake It Off", was released in August 2014 and reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100.[235] Four further singles have been released; "Blank Space" and "Bad Blood" (featuring Kendrick Lamar) both reached number one in the United States.[236] "Style"[237] and "Wildest Dreams" both peaked in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100.[238] 1989 sold 1,287,000 copies in the U.S. during the first week of release, selling more copies in its opening week than any album in the previous 12 years. This has made Swift the first and only act to have three albums sell more than one million copies in the opening release week.[239] It later became the best-selling album of 2014, selling 3.66 million copies.[240] As of February 2015, 1989 had sold over 8.6 million copies worldwide.[241] Madonna herself called her "Princess of Pop Music" Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).</ref> [1]> 103.16.25.117 (talk) 06:53, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Usher

At the request of Khaire Nuh, "Usher was called Godson of Soul by James Brown." Here's a video 1:39. However, he didn't exactly say "Godson of Soul", but "the new godson". My point of view: this is the only reference of someone calling him like that, not mainstream media referring to him as such. Case similiar to Madonna calling new female popstars, pop princess. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:54, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

In response to Cornerstonepicker, James Brown is the "Godfather of Soul", and hence "the new Godson" is an unequivocal reference to specifically being the "Godson of Soul". James Brown has only dubbed one artist as such, being none other than Usher after an established career. Mainstream media as a whole have since tagged along and referred to Usher with that nickname in accordance to that moment. There is no other nickname providable by a media outlet that would provide a higher certification. Khaire Nuh (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khaire Nuh (talk • contribs) 02:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@Khaire Nuh:, please can you provide reliable sources that have referred to him with that nickname? (aside from the ones reporting the performance) Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:59, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

In response to Cornerstonepicker : As explained, the phrase has since its revelation stood respectfully and referred back to, in regards to James Brown initiating it. The honour was given to Usher as a result of his diamond selling album, ergo hugely differs to the Madonna scenario you mentioned, which is intended to compliment potential only ("new female popstars") that is yet to be fulfilled as opposed to rewarding an already accomplished standard amount of work here in Usher's case. The media; specifically music critics have often brought up the nickname given by James Brown in subject matters that revolve around Usher to emphasise a strength, the following are a few examples. The Gaurdian have brought it up despite being outside the context relevancy saying "Usher's status among the greats is already assured: the late James Brown once called him the Godson of Soul." [2] WBUR-FM radio station speaking on Usher's 7th studio album, opening the discussion with "James Brown, the late Godfather of Soul, once crowned the pop singer Usher the Godson of Soul" in the beginning of the interview. [3] The music journalist Chris Nickson authored and published a book about Usher titled " Usher: The Godson of Soul " (ISBN: 9781416909224) [2] The nickname is also included in the majority of his Bio's, for example by Soul Train and TV.com. [4] Khaire Nuh (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

@Khaire Nuh: this is for third opinions, please let experienced editors comment. WP:CONS is important. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
@Cornerstonepicker: WP:CONS is important for disputes, but i have clearly provided reliable sources at your demand and request. Can you please explain, if there is, any further dispute you have that would require a third opinion? And why you made that request before my response?
Because you need Wikipedia:Consensus. You cannot post here and just go, "done it!" You need to get consensus here for your proposed change. I am still looking at your sources at the moment.--SabreBD (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

David Bowie

I noticed the absence of David Bowie from the page. This is despite him being widely known throughout music as the "King of Glam"[5] and "Master of Reinvention".[6] Surely there are no objections from adding these two nicknames to the page. SomewhereInLondon (talk) 15:41, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6386008/how-billboard-woman-of-the-year-taylor-swift-changed-country-music
  2. ^ "Usher: 'The fans want my soul'". The Guardian. Retrieved March 12, 2016.
  3. ^ "Usher: In Latest Album, Usher Takes To 'Looking 4' Himself". WBUR-FM. Retrieved March 12, 2016. {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
  4. ^ "Usher: The Godson of Soul". Soul Train. Retrieved March 12, 2016.
  5. ^ Hawkes, Rebecca (2016-01-11). "David Bowie: 15 surprising facts about the king of glam rock". The Telegraph. Retrieved 2016-03-13.
  6. ^ McLean, Ralph (2016-01-11). "David Bowie rock chameleon the master of reinvention". Belfast Telegraph. Retrieved 2016-03-13.

King of Funk

Sad to see George Clinton get overlooked

Trying to find a good source Cashpash (talk) 03:29, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Selena Gomez: Pop Princess

Those are the references added by an editor in this article. Here's the problem, is Pop princess an honorific nickname, or is it The Princess of Pop? since the former is not talking about just one person. Every female artist with a hit has been called just 'pop princess' by the way, the latest Ariana Grande. Notice there's only one source (Billboard) calling her like that. I recommend collect other sources that call her Princess of Pop. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:45, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree. This is a perennial problem with this type of entry, it is not really a nickname, but usually just a way of saying "she has sold a lot of records and is quite young". However, it if is clearly attached to the person it would fit the criteria.--SabreBD (talk) 08:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Bo Diddley

This is missing one of the most important in rock 'n roll history – if there are two separate entries for dual claimants to The Architect, where is the section for The Originator? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.243.251 (talk) 19:13, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Policy

Since this involves pop culture in general, shouldn't it be a policy of at least two major sources for a nickname? To guarantee the user is not only based on one source. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Queen/Princess of pop problem

It is obvious, but the use of "queen of pop" or "princess of pop" can be applied to several people. It just implies that that artist was most popular for a bit. Being known widely as THE Queen of Pop would be more worthy of note. That leaves two options, we could delete the many instances of this, since these are not really nicknames, or we can consider them all valid nicknames if they are used on repeated occasions and not worry about multiple use. Opinions welcome.--SabreBD (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Sabrebd, Just an instant research through Google, Madonna + Queen of Pop has 460,000 results, which is more than Michael Jackson + King of Pop with 421,000 results. Her other peers are Janet Jackson with 166,000 results, Mariah Carey with 121,000, Kylie Minogue with 63,200 results, Celine Dion with 59,200. I agree with you that almost every current popular female singers called Princess of Pop by the media, lol. Bluesatellite (talk) 09:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Blusatellite. Chrishonduras (talk) 01:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
General note: For google search, restrict to Google NEWS or Google BOOKS results, since the subject matter requires a high degree to scrutiny. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 19:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Katy Perry

Adding Katy Perry - Pop Queen or New Queen of Pop

- Billboard Back Issue Volume 125, Issue 38, 2013: Katy Perry - After Record-Setting Success And Personal Loss, The Pop Queen Roars Back To The Top - http://shop.billboard.com/products/billboard-back-issue-volume-125-issue-38

- Billboard Back Issue Volume 122, Issue 30, 2010: Katy Perry - Inside The Court of The New Queen of Pop. She kicked off her first album with a massive summer anthem and managed to top herself the second time around. - http://shop.billboard.com/collections/back-issues/products/billboard-back-issue-volume-122-issue-30

- Forbes, 2014 - Prices For Prismatic Tickets Could Cement Katy Perry As Queen Of Pop - http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2014/06/23/prices-for-prismatic-tickets-could-cement-katy-perry-as-queen-of-pop/#57a1e1203ac9


Alternatively, adding Katy Perry - Pop Princess

The wiki page already refers to artists such as Brandy, Taylor Swift, Gwen Stefani as 'pop princess'. Adding Katy Perry as 'pop princess' is long overdue. She has been referred to as 'pop princess' in popular media for almost a decade. Some examples:

- Vanity Fair, 2011: After a sheltered born-again childhood, Katy Perry turned herself into pop’s pantheistic princess - http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2011/06/katy-perry-full-201106

- The Hollywood Reporter, 2012: Katy Perry: Confessions of a Pop Princess - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/katy-perry-part-of-me-interview-339341

- ABC News, 2008: Pastors' Daughter Turns Pop Princess - http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WinterConcert/story?id=5256149&page=1

- NY Daily, 2015: Happy birthday Katy Perry: 10 little unknown facts about the Pop Princess - http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/10-facts-katy-perry-birthday-article-1.2408660

- USA Today, 2013: Pop Princess Katy Perry debuts Killer Queen - http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2013/05/03/pop-princess-katy-perry-debuts-killer-queen/2132343/


Ant361 (talk) 08:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)ant361

@Ant361: "Pop Princess" doesn't mean nothing. You are either The Princess of Pop or nothing. The other sources are teasing with the name. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
@Cornerstonepicker: If 'Pop Princess' means nothing, then why has it been used as a nickname for several other artists on the page (eg. Taylor Swift, Gwen Stefani, Brandy, Whitney Houston, etc.)? By that logic, it shouldn't be allowed for these artists, too. Ant361 (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Prabhu deva

Prabhu Deva is know as indian michael jackson and called by so in every single indian media's and even introduced as indian mj to Michael Jackson during his India tour on 1996.i've added this here with enough sources atleat twice but it got deleted soon why so?? Akhiljaxxn (talk) 23:34, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn I'm not pretty sure for the case of the "Michael Jacksons". Is different case of Madonna for example, when (virtually) every national and worldwide singer is called "Madonna". Those examples came of several decades ago (and not only in the current or during the 2000s) and not for online sources, but academics and popular culture books and shows that is not only a nickname, is a "title". Chrishonduras (talk) 17:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Queen and King of Pop

As possible, I always try to explain my edits when I modify something in an article, like this. Because other artists also have been called "King of Pop" or especially the new female performers with "Queen of Pop". So, there is enough material that Madonna and Jackson are ofted called "Queen and King of Pop" and they invented the term. I think that the current version is more neutral because in the case of MJ is very confusing any other statement. Why? (references before Wikipedia):

Rosemarie Garland-Thomson said: "When Jackson, irked by the fact that "They call Elvis [Presley] the King," asked "Why don't they call me that?" he was ... Jackson countered with a campaign to cement his own sobriquet, "The King of Pop," in America's cultural consciousness".

Today US Program said: "In the year 1991, when MTV was still primarily known for playing music videos, a new album from an artist who helped define the channel in the ‘80s was being released. This album was going to be huge, and MTV kicked into high gear promoting its world premiere airing of the first single’s video. The album was called “Dangerous.” The single was called “Black or White.” And the artist? Well, he was suddenly called “The King of Pop".

In the case of Madonna are primarily yesteryear reference before Jackson. Like 1986 or 1987. But the problem is that other singer are also called "Queen of Pop" and the newest are also called "Madonna" even.

I'm not arguing about Michael Jackson. His nickname is very popular worldwide. I just said that is not neutral that we add him in the lead with the statements before my edition because are different (with reliable sources) history of the origin of his nickname. So, I think that now is more neutral. Chrishonduras (talk) 18:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Use of the word "invented" is out of context here because it implies they literally coined those phrases themselves, which is inaccurate. Gave it a slight rewording. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 18:44, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Bookkeeperoftheoccult. I wrote that Alan McGee said: Madonna and Michael Jackson invented the Queen and King of Pop, and took the ideas of rock'n'roll myth-making into the pop world. But your edition is better. I just want that this can be neutral. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 18:51, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 January 2016 EMINEM (honorific nicknames in popular music)

Thx for reading: 

    Eminem not mentioned. Edit request: Eminem: crowned "King of Hip Hop" (by the Rolling Stone) my source is strong and respected i would think there really wouldn't  be a reason for this edit not to be made.

Now, further up on this talk page I see that someone has already requested this edit, and it was declined. (With no strong reason as to why) on Eminem's Wikipedia page itself on the first paragraph y'all call him the king of hip hop already, referencing rollingstone. And when you click on "King of hip hop" it directs you to the "honorific nicknames in popular music" page. But "king of hip hop" is nowhere to be found on the list of nicknames. "Rolling Stone ranked him 83rd on its list of 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, calling him the King of Hip Hop" - Eminem's Wikipedia page.[1] 

    My point is, there's an inconsistency here. wiki is conflicting/contradicting itself. How are you going to call him "King of hip hop" on the Eminem Wikipedia page (using the same rollingstone reference) and deny putting him on the list of nicknames. (Especially when the "King of hip hop" words are linked to "honorific nicknames" page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific_nicknames_in_popular_music http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/introducing-the-king-of-hip-hop-20110815#ixzz3xtEVaTm0

[2]

Question: Are you in any way employed by or somehow related to the Rolling Stone? I just ask because there was some strangely promotional text on a request lower down. --allthefoxes (Talk) 15:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Answer: No, I am not. I don't think I'm strangely promoting them. It's just a source. And they seem to be a reliable source given the fact that wiki sources them all the time.

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eminem&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop
  2. ^ http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/introducing-the-king-of-hip-hop-20110815#ixzz3xtEVaTm0
 Done.  Assume good faith! Paine  22:34, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

If you look further up the page, you can see that this has been discussed repeatedly in the past and consensus is squarely against this addition to the list.DanJazzy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:16, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2016

Courtney Love, queen of grunge[1] [2], goddess of grunge[3], demon diva[4], queen of alternative rock[5] [6], queen of feminism [7] 189.210.176.94 (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/courtney-love-turns-50-outragous-quotes-queen-grunge-1455864
  2. ^ http://www.blogto.com/music/2013/07/courtney_love_remains_the_queen_of_grunge/
  3. ^ https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Courtney_Love.html?id=_dQGAAAACAAJ
  4. ^ https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Courtney_Love.html?id=_dQGAAAACAAJ
  5. ^ http://pitchfork.com/features/interview/9395-courtney-love/
  6. ^ http://www.theradicalnotion.com/courtney-love-queen-of-rock-and-feminism/
  7. ^ http://www.theradicalnotion.com/courtney-love-queen-of-rock-and-feminism/
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Dane2007 talk 01:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Bruno Mars

http://www.bet.com/music/2016/11/18/bruno-mars-24k-magic-interview.html This source mentions him as 'The prince of pop'. I think it's not the same situation as we have with all female singers being called 'The princess of pop' or 'pop princess'. There are only two male artist considered as 'The prince of pop' - Justin Timberlake and now Bruno Mars so I personally think it's worth to include Bruno in this list. What do you think about this idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.29.116 (talk) 01:27, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Anybody here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.29.116 (talk) 23:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2016

Current: Whitney Houston United States Pop Princess [232] The Voice [233]

Please Add: Queen of Pop [234 - http://www.nytimes.com/1986/05/25/arts/whitney-houston-pop-s-new-queen.html] 

             [235 - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pop-queen-whitney-houston-dies-at-age-48]
             [236 - http://www.hindustantimes.com/music/queen-of-pop-whitney-houston-dies-at-48/story-c1ZwPM3uSPkuXveisOKQwJ.html]

Prom Queen of Soul [237 - http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964980,00.html] Base.fan (talk) 05:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Two of the sources cited do not appear to use the phrase "Queen of Pop". The remaining sources cited do not support a relationship with the honorific beyond their mention in the title of the article.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  15:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2017

Under Jim Morrison his nicknames should include the following, "The Lizard King," & "Mr. Mojo Rising." Aleister Hanek (talk) 05:33, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:12, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Jennifer Lopez

Hi,

I think Jennifer Lopez should be placed in this source, known as the 'Queen of Dance', 'Queen of Latin' or 'Queen of Latin Pop'. She is known for doing a lot of music covering the genres of: Dance, Dance-Pop, Latin, Latin-Pop, Latin Dance and Hip-Hop. She has created numerous Hip-Hop No.1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 including the: 'I'm Real (Remix) ft. Ja Rule' and 'Ain't it funny (Remix) ft. Ja Rule'. 

See her billboard chart history:

http://www.billboard.com/artist/304444/jennifer-lopez/chart 

For the genres she covers see her profile on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Lopez

Also, she has made various Latin songs such as No Me Ames which was Latin pop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Me_Ames), Latin rock song Que Hiciste (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%C3%A9_Hiciste) and Spanish remixes of her hit songs Love Don't Cost A Thing (Amor Se Paga Con Amor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFv6JsHoCSU) and On The Floor (Ven A Bailar - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ_v2QIJrmk).

She is one of the top Latina artists on the planet today, and has had her own Spanish album, and had made a huge it, 'Que Hiciste'. Also, she is known for her huge Dance numbers, being able to dance great performances, see 'Get Right', 'Waiting For Tonight', 'If You Had My Love' and 'many more. To prove how good of a dancer she is watch the 2015 AMA's Celia Cruz tribute from JLo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsKOU-wE3Oo). 

This is what her genres revolve around and I hope you consider this by looking at some of her classic songs listen below and place her on this list.

Thanks 151.228.190.198 (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Sam Sailor 00:38, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Images

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Closed as no consensus due to low participation and lack of substantiative arguments on how images should be treated or on standards for inlcusion/removal. This RfC should be re-formulated with more-definite options on image inclusion in-line with the Image Use Policy and particularly the display options described there. (non-admin closure) Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:27, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Was there previous consensus on the number of images that may accompany this article? At the rate it's going, the images may overwhelm the text. There is also the question of notability. It would be helpful to know the basis for deciding which musicians qualify to appear in the image gallery. As we all know, music is a subjective matter and tastes differ. Lastly, how should the images be placed? should they be in descending alphabetical order?DanJazzy (talk) 00:27, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the images. The names of the pop singers warrant their images also. Every name of the singer added to the article has properly sourced. Otherwise the page is protected, so only the experienced Wikipedians can edit the article. One thing is pertinent to remember that the editor who has generated this futile discussion has already got edit war warnings and after facing a set back at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, now he intends to resort to such tactics. Umair Aj (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Oh dear, I think you misunderstand what is happening here, Umair Aj, and what happened at the ANI thread. You were edit warring too, and you both could easily have been blocked for it. DanJazzy did not face a "setback" at ANI, he (and you) were told to discuss the content issue here. He is doing so. You need to stop with the ad hominem attacks and actually discuss the reasonable issue here, or I will block you from editing. Is that clearer? --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Floquenbeam, my dear you also misunderstood the point and stop accusing me of hominem attacks. I am just giving my part of the argument and not doing anything for which you are threatening to block me. Frankly speaking, I do not want to be dragged in this issue any more. By the way for the past twenty four hours, I am just minding my own business and I do not have the stigma of edit warring on me prior to that and your powers do not give you the right to belittle me. Is that clearer? Umair Aj (talk) 23:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Taking this to your talk page. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - at least the photographs aren't flowing into the References section, but I agree there are far too many. Having photos to the right of a table also disrupts how well the content wraps, and I believe unfairly highlights some artists as supposedly (and arbitrarily) more important than others. I also think the photos distract from the table content, which is the real value of the article. Yvarta (talk) 19:57, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your constructive comments Yvarta What do you suggest as the way forward? I'm foreseeing a scenario where editors arbitrarily add a photo of their favourite musician. Obviously, that won't work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanJazzy (talk • contribs) 20:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure. If it was up to me, I might recommend looking at some of the fancier multi-photo display formats on pages such as Pop_icon or Detroit, and then perhaps consider adding four to five photos into the top right of the page, completely separate from the tables. Perhaps an ongoing discussion could be opened to vote for which four best represent the "most" famous individuals on the page, in a way that is diverse enough not to simply further entrench systemic bias. I'm sure there would be other ways of going about it too, maybe considering a Gallery section approach, and allowing that to run larger if needed. Yvarta (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I think photographs are perfectly fine because the names in the article are well known and renowned ones and every name deserves a photo also. So we are no one to decide who is more famous. Moreover, article has only famous names and it's in the form of a list, so photographs actually don't harm the article. These all names are the names of legends and we have not got this right to categorize them. Every icon deserves his/ her photo also. Another thing to keep in mind is every photo has been uploded on commons and any picture not fulfilling the copy right criteria will be automatically deleted. So it's useless to be worried about it. We should leave the article in its present form. Regards Arjun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.8.163 (talk) 04:06, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello Arjun, you state "these all names are the names of legends and we have not got this right to categorize them," I assume insinuating we should not prioritize some as "extra" famous to pick a handful of photos, while others go without photos at all. And yet, you also say "every icon deserves his/ her photo also." Are you recommending that a photo column or gallery be added to the page, so every single entry can have a photo (if one is available)? I wonder, however, if this would draw attention away from the artists who aren't lucky enough to have a photo on the Commons that could be used. In short, while every biography on Wikipedia I agree does deserve a photograph or image, it might not be feasible. And if we do manage to find a photo of almost everyone on this list and include them all, I then worry about spacing and also load time for slower browsers. Yvarta (talk) 20:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello Yvarta, you have yourself supported my argument. I am also saying that those artists who have photos should not be messed up and those who don't, they are not sons of lesser God. My argument is simple that this article is comprised of names only and not lengthy paragraphs, so in this case the beauty of article in no way is going to harm. In my opinion it's a wastage of time and effort to wrap in more cognition for this article. This debate wouldn't have taken place for the first instance, if edit warring would have not been there. The editor who started this discussion was initially comfortable but when second editor jumped in, suddenly they found inappropriat photos in the article. So I think we must remain detached commentators and let us not spoil the beauty of it. Regards Arjun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.11.221 (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment Thank you IP user. In future, for transparency purposes, it is advised that you sign after your comments. For ease of reference the policy is WP:SIG or WP:SIGNATURE. Back to the matter at hand, Mr. "Arjun", you do note that there are approximately 250 musicians listed on this particular page. If every editor decides to include their favourite musician in the image gallery the whole article will be a mess. Valid questions would arise; for instance, why was the picture of Christina Aguilera included but not Elvis Presley, Robert Johnson or Nina Simone? Music tastes are subjective and vary from individual to individual, from society to society, etc. There needs to be objective criteria spelt out clearly to determine whose photographs should appear in a page like this; or alternatively do away with them all. There is precedence; the same arguments were advanced in [3] DanJazzy (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Remove images This list is way too long to include images of every performer. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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Adding Nazia Hassan

117.203.194.143 (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC) Respected Editor(s)

While I was reading the honourific Titles page of this site, I saw that you have missed Nazia Hassan in this list. You included Ahmed Rushdie and Noor Jehan from Pakistan but missed out Nazia Hassan (contributions in India and Pakistan) and considered the "Queen of Pop" in south Asia and Pioneer of Modern Pop in south Asia. Nazia Hassan "Queen of Pop" in the subcontinent, she is regarded as the pioneer of Modern Pop in South Asia and has sold over 60 million records worldwide, she was also engaged in philanthropic activities, and was appointed by UNICEF as its cultural ambassador in 1991. I tried editing the page myself but it was secured "against vandalism" hence couldn't do it. Please edit it and include her. Thank you

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2017

One that was missing was the Queen of Techno in South Korea known as Lee Jung-hyun. You can see this on her wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jung-hyun 155.201.34.12 (talk) 17:31, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Dane talk 21:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2017

The row in the table containing Liza Minnelli is not aligned correctly and has the columns in the incorrect place. Shivhari Shankar (talk) 18:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Fix already made, cheers regardless IVORK Discuss 02:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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Prince - His Purple Majesty

I added The Artist Formerly Known as Prince, but not sure if I should add His Purple Majesty. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeHaveTwelveFeet (talk • contribs) 03:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Cezara, Anton. "Prince - His Purple Majesty". Historia. Retrieved 2 May 2017. Prince, His Purple Majesty, His Royal Badness, Jamie Starr, Alexander Nevermind, The Artist Formerly Known As Prince, The Symbol, Christopher Tracy. All of them are names or nicknames Prince Rogers Nelson chose for himself during his career which spawned more than three decades.

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Eminem

He is regarded as the Greatest rapper of all time and should definitely be on this list as the "King of Hip-Hop". Jenevee (talk) 18:55, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Jennifer Lopez - Queen of Dance / Hip-Hop 2A02:C7F:223C:7700:1C93:1B3E:503C:A497 (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Paulina Rubio is considerated the Queen Of Latin pop and madonna latina

The Mexican singer Paulina Rubio, is considered the queen of Latin pop according to international media like fox, cbs, and other international media, so is also considered the Latin madonna for being very similar to the queen of pop madonna

Below I put the links where they can search the information:

Paulina Rubio The Queen Of latin pop : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96qQjoSpfcc&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-y9JVaTny8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0DLg83o74o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9WtLbHeghw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5VgJ_iO2jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch5CtGsHpdM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG2U9wuMybQ&t=3s http://www.noticiasaldia.com.mx/notas.pl?n=98579&s=d http://www.universalmusica.com/paulina-rubio-la-reina-del-reventon-super-estrella/

Paulina Rubio The Madonna Latina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JcCaE2XYbk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0nDZjeOt7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTrBCrAEASg http://www.telemundo.com/entretenimiento/2015/09/15/paulina-rubio-es-la-nueva-madonna-latina?image=7162646 http://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/cultura/paulina-rubio-dice-que-es-un-orgullo-que-la-califiquen-como-la-madonna-latina/2001-09-09/105000.html


Can you put those nicknames please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juancarlos311985 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Prince nicknames

There is a few nicknames given to prince such as His Purple Majesty, The Purple One, and His Royal Badness or as Steveie Wonder called him, the Emperor of Pop lol. Thought these should be added to the list.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2017

Remove Aaliyah died Remianana (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Aaliyah's death does nothing to change whether she was known by the honorific nickname. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Wiley - Godfather of Grime

He's considered the person that started/invented grime as it is now, and should be added to this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Bennink (talk • contribs)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 13:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

The accuracy of this article

I believe this article deserves {{Globalize}} or {{Disputed}} perhaps. A number of the nicknames rely on a report from media outlets considered reliable.. but the singer in question is not globally know as such. Giving some examples: "Adele is known as the Queen of Soul", "Miley Cyrus is known as Teen Queen", "Ariana Grande is know and Pop New Princess" Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2017

Artist: Whitney Houston; Title: "add Queen of Pop". Notes: Perone, Tim (February 12, 2012). "Queen of Pop Dead: Whitney Houston Only 48." New York Post. Retrieved August 7, 2017. http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/209008/slide_209008_686995_free.jpg

Please add this title, as many sources including CBS News, Hip-Hop Source and others have called her the Queen of Pop. She is the only artist to have 7 consecutive number one singles; has the most weeks at number one on the Billboard 200 album charts for a female artist; has the best selling soundtrack album of all time, etc.

Thank you. Base.fan00 (talk) 02:03, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Base.fan00 (talk) 02:03, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Done Though if any editor reverts this change, please explain here. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2017

Artist: Whitney Houston; Title: Queen of Pop; "add Source: Holden, Stephen. (May 25, 1986). The New York Times. "Whitney Houston - Pop's New Queen." http://www.nytimes.com/1986/05/25/arts/whitney-houston-pop-s-new-queen.html

Artist: Whitney Houston; "add Title: Prom Queen of Soul; add Source: Corliss, Richard. (July, 13, 1987). Time. "The Prom Queen of Soul-Whitney Houston is sleek, sexy, successful--and surprise, she can sing." http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964980,00.html

Please add additional source to Whitney Houston entry for title of Queen of Pop from The New York Times and also new title for Whitney Houston entry for "Prom Queen of Soul" from Time magazine.

Thank you,

Base.fan00 (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC) Base.fan00 (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Done Sorry to step on the toes of a WikiProject here, but I felt it necessary to include this away. Thank you Base.fan00 for this request. Please let us know if you find anything else, and you seem to be signing your request twice. Please don't sign inside your request, as the substitution signs for you. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:08, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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Artist: Whitney Houston; Title: Queen of Pop; "add Source: Lister, Linda (2001), "Divafication: The Deification of Modern Female Pop Stars", Popular Music and Society, 25 (3/4), p. 1, ISSN 0300-7766, "If Ella Fitzgerald is the queen of jazz, Billie Holiday first lady of the blues, and Aretha Franklin the queen of soul, then who is the queen of pop? In the 1990s, it would seem to be a three-way tie between Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, and Celine Dion. Certainly all three have their devotees and detractors, but their presence has been inescapable".

Please add this source to artist Whitney Houston as a source to title Queen of Pop.

Thank you. Base.fan00 (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Thanks for your efforts to improve the article. The entry already cites two reliable sources; it's not clear to me that another is needed. Further, the passage you quote suggests that Houston was in a three-way tie for the title, and not the clear title holder, and qualifies it by speaking only of the 1990s. I'm willing to be persuaded, but you haven't made a compelling case. RivertorchFIREWATER 01:19, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, this citation has been used by the other singers listed in the article-Carey, Dion. It is only fair if it is used for those two, to be used with Houston, as well. Also, not using so many sources would be fine, however some artists have 4 or 5 citations for each title. Please see Kylie Minogue, Lil Kim, Madonna, etc.

It is my hope you will reconsider and add this source to Whitney Houston's listing.

Thank you. Base.fan00 21:26, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Answer does not change per WP:OVERCITE. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:54, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2017

Artist: Whitney Houston; "add Title: Queen of the Grammys; Source: Greaves, Kayla. (February 10, 2017). Whitney Houston Will Always Be Queen of the Grammys. The Huffington Post Canada. Retrieved 10 August 2017. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/10/whitney-houston-grammys-_n_14682810.html

Please add title Queen of the Grammys to artist Whitney Houston listing.

Thank you, Base.fan00 (talk) 03:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC) Base.fan00 (talk) 03:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Unfortunately, we can't have too many honorific nicknames for one person. Thanks anyway for trying to help us. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 06:41, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the response. However, there are some artists with five and six honorific nicknames for one person. Please see Missy Elliot, Lil Kim, Kyle Minogue and Madonna, etc. It is my hope you will reconsider and list this last nickname requested above for Whitney Houston.

Thank you, Base.fan00 (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I read the Huffington Post Canada article, and the reason the writer called Houston the Queen of the Grammys title is (apparently) the number of Grammy Awards and nominations she has received: 7 wins and 18 nominations. So I asked Google what female has the most Grammy's. The answer is Alison Krauss with 27, followed by Beyoncé with 22 wins and 62 nominations. So why aren't they Queen of the Grammy's? It doesn't matter. I suspect that this article started as a lighthearted trivia question that has now grown out of control. Compare the length of the article, the amount of information, and the number of citations to other articles. It's not important enough to debate. The premise of the article is itself subjective and silly.
–Vmavanti (talk) 23:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Not done: per Vmavanti. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Literal use of honorifics is required in sources

@Umair Aj: Hey, the purpose of this article is to list honorific nicknames or epithets that are applied literally to musicians. The sources you provided about Ahmed Rushdi do not use any specific nickname or epithet; they do not use the words "father" or "pioneer". Therefore, the entry is not valid. If you find any sources which make literal use of an honorific (e.g. "known as the Father of X"), feel free to provide them. Also, alphabetization is done on the basis of last name, not first name. Best, Neodop (talk) 21:36, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

@Neodop: Hi dear, I have done it according to your recommendation. The second source I just added declares him Magician of voice.-Umair Aj (talk) 21:38, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
@Umair Aj: Thank you. If there are sources in Urdu you know of, they can be added as well. Neodop (talk) 21:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
@Neodop: You are welcome. Yes I a have couple of but how can we just add these in Urdu?-Umair Aj (talk) 21:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
@Umair Aj: Yes, you can write "Urdu" in the language field of the citation template to indicate this, and if you want you can also add a translation in the ref. Neodop (talk) 21:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
@Neodop: OK, thank you.-Umair Aj (talk) 21:58, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2017

Carlosnety (talk) 04:20, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

The singer MC Frontalot has been identified as the "Godfather of Nerdcore".

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Do Aaliyah the QUEEN! of Rn B and Beyonce the Princess because AAliyah was bugger than beyonce. Tupac the king of rap and Lisa the Queen of Rap!

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I think that Steven Tyler and Joe Perry should be in here as 'Toxic Twins' stylized after each as: 'with Joe Perry' (for tyler and vice versa) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.94.21 (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Johnny Cash

I have no idea why he isn't in here he was known as the man in black several of his songs even state this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:74F2:2400:95D8:ECA5:5031:2430 (talk) 05:04, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Formatting error under section 'C'

Hello,

I noticed a formatting error in the table for section 'C' but do not have the privileges to repair it.

50.34.111.196 (talk) 03:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2018

Please add "First Lady of Music" to Beyoncé's list of honorific titles. She was given this title at Clive Davis' 60th pre-Grammy party on January 27, 2017, which garnered her a standing ovation. I have attached an article that describes the instance below. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2018/01/28/jay-z-talks-grammys-boycotts-clive-davis-bash-have-here/1072764001/ 98.211.95.61 (talk) 16:53, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done feminist (talk) 08:18, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request 15 February 2018

Howard Stern - King of All Media. [1] (Washibo (talk) 04:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC))

 Not done. He's not in "popular music". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ KING OF ALL MEDIA - Trademark Details Justia Trademarks. September 8, 2006. Retrieved February 15, 2018.

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2018

For Chuck Schuldiner change "Father of Death Metal" to "The Godfather of death metal", to be consistent with the article on Chuck Schuldiner. 109.60.38.96 (talk) 07:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:30, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2018

Jennifer Lopez - Queen of Vegas (https://www.inquisitr.com/2739322/jennifer-lopez-is-the-queen-of-las-vegas-sorry-britney-spears-and-mariah-carey/) 2A02:C7F:223C:7700:3174:6EBC:2D1F:B315 (talk) 19:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Now added, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Michael Jackson The Greatest Entertainer That Ever Lived

Michael Jackson was also known as The Greatest Entertainer That Ever Lived or Greatest Entertainer Ever and, as someone as already wrote, in the 80' salso as The Gloved One. Because the page is protected here are some sources if someone wants to edit (at least for the greatest entertainer that ever lived nickname): http://www.novinite.com/articles/105513/Motown+Founder%3A+Michael+Jackson+Was+Greatest+Entertainer+Ever https://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/michael-jackson-20110420 http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/smith.jackson.appreciation/index.html https://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/jun/26/michael-jackson-greatest-entertainer https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-jackson/michael-jackson-hailed-as-greatest-entertainer-best-dad-idUKTRE5615KN20090708 http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-michael-jackson-the-greatest-entertainer-that-ever-lived-as-was-stated-at-his-funeral --MJJ-777 (talk) 11:29, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2018

41.248.59.255 (talk) 14:18, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. kelapstick(bainuu) 14:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Johnny cash

The man in black King of country music Doublejwillis (talk) 18:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Prince honorific names

Prince was often reffered to as His Royal Badness and The Purple One and The Artist and should be added. sources are cited. [1] [2]

Not done: Request is unsigned, therefore, I do not know who is making the request. Please sign your request using four tildes (~~~~) so we can identify who's making the request before reopening. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 16:19, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Why should it matter if left unsigned if point valid? Phantomsnake (talk) 02:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-prince-dies-live-up-the-many-names-of-prince-1461271252-htmlstory.html
  2. ^ https://blackthen.com/his-royal-badness-50-more-things-u-might-not-know-about-prince/

Edit request

Please add a hatnote to handle the incoming redirect Queen of Pop to link to the dab page Queen of Pop (disambiguation)

{{redirect|Queen of Pop}}

"Queen of Pop" redirects here. For other uses, see Queen of Pop (disambiguation).

-- 65.94.42.168 (talk) 04:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done NiciVampireHeart 06:20, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Rob Halford

It would be great when Rob Halford is added to the list as 'Metal God'. http://ultimateclassicrock.com/rob-halford-metal-god/ --Da ola (talk) 21:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2018

Stevie Wonder-Emperor of Song Peatsiegirl (talk) 00:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Fetchie Mankala (talk) 18:04, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2018

Hi, Wikipedia. I want to request to add "Super Junior" a South Korean boyband to the article of "Honorific nicknames in popular music" under part "Group and collective titles". Super Junior for titles "King of Kpop", "King of Hallyu", and "K-pop Biggest Boyband". Thank You

Artist: Super Junior Title: King of K-Pop Country: South Korea Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/09/08/12/meet-super-junior-k-pops-biggest-boy-band https://www.soompi.com/article/653283wpp/super-junior-sets-the-record-with-their-100th-world-tour-concert https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/8463002/super-junior-interview-lo-siento-k-pop http://kbsworld.kbs.co.kr/news/news_view.php?no=13614

Artist: Super Junior Title: King of Hallyu Country: South Korea Source: https://m.star.naver.com/superjunior/news/end?id=6463004 https://www.soompi.com/article/547963wpp/super-junior-invited-to-speak-at-oxford-university https://www.soompi.com/article/1081581wpp/super-junior-continues-korean-wave-kings-asian-chart-results-black-suit

Artist: Super Junior Title: K-Pop Biggest Boyband Country: South Korea Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/09/08/12/meet-super-junior-k-pops-biggest-boy-band https://www.soompi.com/article/1083767wpp/super-junior-responds-called-legends

Cospedia (talk) 03:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2018

Could you please edit the collectives suggestion on this page for Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson by including Godfathers of Techno and that the reference for this and the other title, The Belleville Three should apply to all three of them and not one of them. Here is the source that mentions Godfathers of Techno.

https://www.decodedmagazine.com/detroits-architects-of-techno-honoured/ 2001:8003:647D:CB00:F0EE:8BBF:295E:AC27 (talk) 20:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

 Partly done: I added Godfathers of Techno and the source to Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson. I checked and The Belleville Three does apply to all three of them in the table so that didn't need to be changed. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 13:05, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

A few more

Mentioned in respective articles. Edit to add I see Weller is already in but I think he is also known as Father of Britpop.

31.82.55.130 (talk) 11:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj

I would like to submit the addition of "Nicki Minaj" as "Queen of Hip-Hop". Nicki has been and is regularly referred to as the Queen of Hip-Hop, as she has had the longest and most successful career in female rap. She's also been recognised as such by her peers.

A few sources :

- Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/nicki-minaj-the-new-queen-of-hip-hop-103304/

- npr.org https://www.npr.org/2018/10/03/651761719/nicki-minaj-is-the-21st-centurys-insatiable-hip-hop-monarch

- Lil Wayne (via Billboard) https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8474870/lil-wayne-says-nicki-minaj-queen-hip-hop-billboard-cover-shoot-video GeHum (talk) 20:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

 Question: Isn't she already listed in the article a "Queen of Hip-Hop" GeHum? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Katy Perry

I am so sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but if Lady Gaga is labeled as queen of pop, Katy Perry should be too. Katy has 9 #1 singles in the US, 3 diamond certified songs (more than any other artist), 69 weeks in the top ten (more than anyone), the best selling female album of 2013, the best selling digital album of all time, Teenage Dream. While Gaga has many accomplishments, I think Katy is more than just, the female MJ. Can we edit it?

TheOneFootTallBrickWall (talk) 09:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2018

Add First Lady of Music as a nickname to Beyoncé, source: https://www.essence.com/celebrity/clive-davis-beyonce-first-lady-music/ Blueivytidal (talk) 03:39, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This was added last January and reverted about six months later. Please establish consensus on the talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Bobby Brown

I would like to know why Bobby Brown isn't listed. After he was kicked out of New Edition and went solo, he was known as the King of R&B after his album "Don't Be Cruel" was released. The King Gemini (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Katy Perry

I am so sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but if Lady Gaga is labeled as queen of pop, Katy Perry should be too. Katy has 9 #1 singles in the US, 3 diamond certified songs (more than any other artist), 69 weeks in the top ten (more than anyone), the best selling female album of 2013, the best selling digital album of all time, Teenage Dream. While Gaga has many accomplishments, I think Katy is more than just, the female MJ. Can we edit it?

TheOneFootTallBrickWall (talk) 09:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Britney Spears - Godney/The Holy Spearit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-22046557/godney-britney-tweets-about-village-named-same-as-nickname https://www.mtv.ca/oh-my-godney-britney-spears-paints-topless-while-listening-to-mariah-carey/ https://www.eonline.com/news/794762/britney-spears-on-being-nicknamed-godney-and-the-holy-spearit http://www.papermag.com/what-would-godney-do-2574346344.html https://people.com/celebrity/britney-spears-on-fans-calling-her-godney-and-the-holy-spearit/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/britney-spears-godney--somerset-village-mark-hey-twitter--godney-hashtag-173323246.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E7:1720:8300:A018:1661:1EA2:1B3C (talk) 17:49, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Dean Martin

Please add Dean Martin and his "The King of Cool" nickname, as he was often referred to. 170.248.145.38 (talk) 11:06, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Do you have any good sources to support that claim? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2019

Under "Group and Collective Titles", I propose adding The Clash with the nickname/title "The Only Band That Matters" Jhbrimm (talk) 21:49, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Not really an "honorific" is it? But do you have a good source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Katy Perry- Queen of Pop

it is no secret that katy perry has been hailed as the New queen of pop due her incredibly successful albums Teenage Dreams(breaking MJ's record, and thus being called the female MJ as mentioned in the article already), prism, witness, one of the boys and 9 singles on hot 100 of billboard. furthermore, she has record-breaking 3 diamond-certified singles by RIAA. and she did all this under an umbrella genre 'Pop' given below are handpicked articles that named her as the queen of pop.


https://globalgrind.cassiuslife.com/1713131/katy-perry-queen-pop-billboard-music-number-one-hits-teenage-dream-last-friday-night-photos/ http://whatculture.com/music/5-reasons-katy-perry-reigning-queen-pop https://www.thetoptens.com/new-king-or-queen-pop/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missmyth (talk • contribs) 13:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Bobby Brown

Where is Bobby Brown? Why is he not on this list? He was known as the King of R&B also. I would appreciate it if you could add Bobby Brown. The King Gemini (talk) 05:12, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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Big Four of Grunge

Source: [4] 2600:100B:B11C:F980:3079:7892:E4B4:3008 (talk) 21:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Persistent removal of sources

DrKava is removing reliable sources again and again from the article despite of being warned several times by an admin. If they have any reservations, they should share them here on talk page.Saminhil (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Some of these are quite silly

I'm not sure that this article serves any purpose in the first place, but if it does, it really needs to be trimmed. It looks like the article _was_ rigorously pruned every so often in the first few years, but it's been a long time, and years of nonsense has crept in. From just quickly skimming a single letter (B), it looks like the only criterion for Y being listed as an honorific for X is that someone found any reliable source that once said "X is Y" in any context. For example:

  • David Bowie ""Master of Reinvention": This is a plain description, not a title. Even the citing article uses it—in lowercase—alongside another description "rock chameleon".
  • Arthur Brown, "God of Hellfire": This is just a famous song lyric. It's not a title, unless "The Walrus" is an honorific title for John Lennon, or "Kurious Oranj" for Mark E. Smith.
  • Beyonce, "Queen Bey": Bey is a short version of Beyonce. Is there a whole industry competing to be Queen of All Singers Who Happen to Be Named Bey?

And so on. --157.131.246.136 (talk) 17:10, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Agree. There seem to be no sensible criteria for inclusion. Many of these are just descriptions in not very reliable pop culture sources. --hippo43 (talk) 22:07, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
TFB. One of few interesting articles on Wikipedia. I'm glad one of the entries has been corrected to what it should be. I won't mention which one it was, because the haters would change it for that reason.
My question, why is the word "music" taboo in this article? Wikipedia usually assumes no general knowledge on the part of the reader. Ivy whoever's honorific is apparently one of the rare exceptions, "Queen of Urban Music," instead of just "Queen of Urban," requiring the reader to add the word Music himself. Again, I am thinking of another artist, whose honorific is ____ of ____ Music, but it is not listed that way, apparently to irritate because this article is tainted with the contamination of creativity. Anyway, this article remains one of the best in Wikipedia. I have no reference I can cite, it's just my opinion...The age of fable (talk) 03:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Another exception, why does Red Foley get to have his title listed accurately, as "Mr. Country Music," instead of just "Mr. Country?"The age of fable (talk) 04:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
What the hell, I'm just going to correct it, and let the haters hate. It is just as supported by reference as is Red Foley's.The age of fable (talk) 04:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Typo "Corssover"

Any reason why User:Saminhil reverted this typo correction? It's clearly a typo (see e.g. the cited source). --Zupftom (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Is "honorific" even the right word for these nicknames?

In ordinary English usage, "honorific" usually refers to styles and forms of address. The most common honorifics are the everyday salutations—Mr, Ms, Dr, Rev, etc.—but things like "His Majesty" or "Your Grace" or "Major" are also honorifics. Titles like "King of the Netherlands", by contrast, are not honorific. See the Wikipedia article on honorific.

Nobody seems to call these nicknames "honorific" anywhere else, except in crap-site listicles that are clearly based on previous versions of this very Wikipedia article (e.g., Mental Floss or The Top Tens). And it doesn't seem all that likely that anyone actually searches for "honorific nicknames in pop music" (people presumably mostly come here because of pipe-links for things like "Princess of Pop"?).

So, what's the justification for using a key word in the title of the article in an idiosyncratic and confusing way? (Surely not just "the article is from 2008, before Wikipedia had standards"?) --157.131.246.136 (talk) 07:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Some of us think the "standards" suck and constitute an irritant, when applied with ignorance. In this context, are you not aware that some people in this list have been ritualistically given purple capes with fur collars and bowed down to like royalty, in good fun? The Godfather of Soul was often decorated with a cape upon exiting from a show. "Elvis has left the building" was announced to audiences to let them know the King was no longer present, and there was no point in screaming and prostrating themselves.The age of fable (talk) 02:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

BTS

BTS got many other honorific nickname why they are not mentioned here Azalafrost (talk) 13:19, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Fantasia Barrino and Jennifer Hudson

My suggestion is to add the following titles that I've seen, as these hashtags are now appearing with regularity in regards to these artists, Hudson in particular.

Fantasia Barrino, Goddaughter of Soul (as she continually draws comparisons to Patti LaBelle)

Jennifer Hudson, Princess of Soul.

Hudson's most prominent fanpage uses this title, and it seems to be taking off with other users. After being selected by Aretha Franklin to portray her in the upcoming biopic, this one makes a lot of sense. Citation: Time Magazine https://time.com/5549164/jennifer-hudson-aretha-franklin-song/

I looked into it and while the Twitter account doesn’t have a large following, the Instagram page is at 12k followers and seems to be growing rapidly, so definitely seems like something to consider.

Lukeolney529 (talk) 22:09, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Only use of Princess of Soul in the Time article was from her own twitter name. This does not show that others are using the title. If you find another reliable source that use these titles in their own voice I will happily add them. --Trialpears (talk) 21:02, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

The Monkees

Considering that the Beatles make it onto the list with the 'Fab Four', it seems appropriate to also include the Monkees, the Prefab Four, as it's both a deliberate callback to the Beatles' nickname and commentary on the origins of the band. There's even another Wikipedia article supporting this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefab_Four

71.115.2.226 (talk) 14:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Normani

Might want to remove her as she has never really done things to be a princess of pop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.215.220 (talk) 17:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2019

Add a honorific nickname to Sarah Geronimo as Asia's Popstar Royalty. Secretapilyido (talk) 09:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 09:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Sandara Park

Change Sandara Park's Country from Philippines to South Korea. Also, as her surname is "Park", her name should be in section P. Jaemmin (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

 Partly done. Moved the entry to P, but it's unclear that her country should be changed. While she herself is Korean, the nicknames seem to apply in the Philippines. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Tiesto

Godfather of EDM?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti%C3%ABsto#cite_note-8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akirared (talk • contribs) 00:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2020

Change Section P to add Neil Peart of Rush the Progressive Rock Drummer. Nickname PRATT among the band. Known to fans as The Professor on the drums RavenDarkwing (talk) 03:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — MRD2014 (talk) 16:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Celine Dion, Ariana Grande, Lucero

  • Celine Dion- Queen Of Power Ballads
  • Ariana Grande-Pop diva supreme/Cyclone of pop/princess of pop
  • Mexican Singer Lucero has been known all her life as the "La Novia De America", "Girlfriend Of America"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7688081/Celine-Dion-proves-heart-Adrian-Thrills-reviews-latest-album.html

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/9369960/ariana-grande-justin-bieber-collaboration-reactions https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=313154

https://laverdadnoticias.com/espectaculos/Lucero-Asi-lucia-la-Novia-de-America-en-su-juventud-Celebra-40-anos-de-carrera-20200302-0233.html

Moonlight Entm (talk) 04:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Rules

Could this article add some rules? Like at least 3 different, independent, and reliable sources calling a certain artist a nickname?

cc latest editors @Polo and Apoxyomenus:. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

We can, after all it's expected that we use multiple sources when possible, and needed. Since this is a list, I believe at least 1 source that meet our criteria is enough, and it need not be online. What's important is that the information is strongly supported in the main article. Polo (talk) 05:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good. But at the same time idk if could be a problem with the size of the article. The current version seems just a WP:INDISCRIMINATE example and we have many "obscure" acts. But I tend to support your suggestion after all. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Some of these nicknames aren't actually nicknames. An article just named that artist such name once. Several independent sources using that nickname should be the rule. Not random blogs. I guess 1/4 of the article would be removed. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 17:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Paula Abdul

I have found 3 reliable sources, 2 of which refer to her as 'dance queen paula abdul', and the 3rd as 'dancing queen paula abdul'. I am unsure whether both terms would be considered the same, or if 'dance queen' warrants a second row to differentiate from the existing 'dancing queen' in the table. These are the sources: 1)1989, 2)1991, 3)2014. I am confined to online searching only as I don't have access to any printed material. Would appreciate someone reviewing these because I don't want to presumptively edit the table given the current "Rules" discussion above. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2020

Please correct and add more, Ariana Grande is known as the pop diva supreme, pop titan, princess of pop, search in hitsdoubledaily, grammys, billboard etc. Mexican Singer Lucero is known as "La Novia De America", "The Girlfriend Of America" "America's Girlfriend" Moonlight Entm (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Correct it please Moonlight Entm (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP (talk • contribs) 21:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

There you have it https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/9369960/ariana-grande-justin-bieber-collaboration-reactions https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=313154 https://laverdadnoticias.com/espectaculos/Lucero-Asi-lucia-la-Novia-de-America-en-su-juventud-Celebra-40-anos-de-carrera-20200302-0233.html 

Moonlight Entm (talk) 04:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

NotTheFakeJTP Moonlight Entm (talk) 02:42, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2020

Prince of Pop 2800:484:6E80:ABA0:9DA:F796:6340:EE80 (talk) 06:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 08:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Jennifer Lopez "Latina Pop Queen" Title

Here is an article from Billboard, naming Jennifer Lopez as the Latina Pop Queen. Therefore, this should be added under her names. Thank you!

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/8412950/jennifer-lopez-fashion-el-anillo-video — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.88.86.65 (talk) 05:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Machine Gun Kelly

MGK should be listed as Rap Devil because Eminem is able to be listed as Rap God Mirandamosso (talk) 04:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Mistaken information.

Just because some publications attatch a certain nickname to an artist that does mean they actually belong to him/her. It is only the case when the AUDIENCE, THE PUBLIC calls the artists by that nickname. For example, Lady Gaga and Whitney Houstom have both been called "Queen of Pop", the public do not call them by that, though. When stating "Queen of Pop", one thinks of Madonna. 2804:14D:4C89:88B6:D5D3:3E70:D737:273E (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Steven Tyler

Steven Tyler is known as the Demon of screaming by both the media and his fanbase. It's stated on his own Wikipedia page and reffered to by the title in https://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/23/critics-rip-steven-tyler-over-national-anthem-rendition/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maudfer (talk • contribs) 18:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2020

Julie Anne San Jose
Asia's Pop Sweetheart
Asia's Pop Diva
Cutepatootie (talk) 15:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

​I only found two sources mentioning this. Does not appear to be a common nickname. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

1. Do we actually need this list?
2. Many of these have only been used by some random writer and are not widely used.
3. Some of the nicknames here are not honorific (Slowhand) and there are even some stage names listed here (The Big Bopper).
J932 (talk) 12:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

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Steve Perry - "The Voice"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebaltin/2018/10/03/steve-perry-on-his-return-to-music-its-a-different-steve-now/?sh=5995fcdc105d DelaReySteyn87 (talk) 11:08, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

NO (!) Amy Winehouse & Duffy ?!

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/amy-winehouse/

Why aren’t these ORIGINAL founders, way before Adele gained fame on this list ? IM ANGRY. They created Adele’s style. They paved the way for UK Soul 2010s. Flowerbunx (talk) 20:38, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2020

Miley Cyrus is the princess of pop music Mrbremiller (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Amkgp 💬 15:39, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2020

Tiesto is also considered, alongside Paul van Dyk as the Godfather of EDM and Trance. Perhaps you could add Tiesto in as the Godfather of EDM as well as Trance. 195.213.200.39 (talk) 15:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Amkgp 💬 15:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2020

Please add Karel Gott from Czech republic as "Golden voice of Prague" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49904757 https://www.zenyvmeste.sk/zomrel-spevak-karel-gott---profil Blueneon81 (talk) 13:06, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done — Amkgp 💬 15:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2020

Please add Jacob Collier, Origin: England, dubbed "Jazz's New Messiah". source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jul/03/jacob-collier-review-ronnie-scotts-jazz-new-messiah 197.153.211.189 (talk) 10:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done. There's also a France 24 article as well, and no other artists show up for a search of "Jazz's New Messiah", so I'd say fair enough. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2020

Add 2NE1 to the list, they have been called "Queens of Kpop". Source: [5] [6] 122.151.208.40 (talk) 00:18, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 01:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson is not only known as the "King of Pop". Before Thriller he was called "The Gloved One" by the media. Around Bad and Dangerous he mostly was called "King of Pop, Rock & Soul". For HIStory and until now he was defined as the "King of Pop"! This was due to the HIStory album teaser, where fans hold papers with "King of Pop" written on it. Also in 2008 a worldwide compilation series called King of Pop was published. With "King of Pop" it is more meant to honor him not only as a musician but as a entertainer and global person. So "King of Pop" means not only King of Pop-music but King of Pop-culture. Just as Elvis Presley is meant to be "King of Rock'n'Roll-culture". But when it concerns only of the musical access: Michael Jackson is here and there called the "King of Pop, Rock, Disco, Soul & R'n'B".

This article is not only for nicknames, but "honorific nicknames". What is so honorific about "The Gloved One"? Bluesatellite (talk) 03:41, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Bloated, WP:TRIVIA, and WP:INDISCRIMINATE

It seems like every artists has an entry on this page, literally everybody, although they're not necessarily known by the listed nicknames. I propose a more restriction to this article. We should only make an entry if the nickname is supported by at least three different reliable sources and the nickname should be mentioned in the title of the articles/book sources. I try to WP:BOLD and have started with some biggest names in music first. Bluesatellite (talk) 02:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Bluesatellite, I agree that this article is a trivia magnet, but there is no basis in policies or guidelines that something must be mentioned in the title (headline) of an article. Headlines are far less reliable than the body of an article, especially for online publications that have clickbait motivations. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Cullen328 I know that there's no specific guideline for that. A "single mention" within the article itself is also not enough IMO to justify notability of the subject's nickname. By being mentioned on the title at least we don't have to fill the |quote= parameter which is used in many entries here (and it saves bandwidth). Bluesatellite (talk) 02:55, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Bluesatellite, "notabity" is a concept that applies to the overall topic of an article, not to specific items included in the article. There are zero concerns about bandwidth on Wikipedia. The WMF is rolling in cash and can easily afford to host ten times more good content. Quotes are a good thing, within reason. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:16, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Cullen328 Alright, then what's your proposal to make it a better article? There are tons of rising stars and newcomers who will get mentioned trivially on the press as "The King" or "The Queen". I propose one and you seem denying it. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:20, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
If we are going to agree to something more restrictive than a single reference to a reliable source, which is the usual standard for inclusion in a list article, then I can support a requirement for at least two references. I do not much like this type of trivia article, but readers seem to like it. Requiring reliable sourcing is the best we can ask for, and I will vigorously oppose any restrictions based on headlines or titles. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Alright, then I don't have to waste my time on this page. I don't think your criteria would bring this article to a better form (especially the bloated weight issue), so I'll leave it now. Regards. Bluesatellite (talk)
Bluesatellite, if your original proposal did not achieve consensus (and the conversation is still young), then why not collaborate toward a consensus proposal? That's how we improve the encyclopedia, after all. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:07, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Ref cleanup

Bluesatellite you might want to look into that tool(?) you just used to expand some citations. It duplicated writers names for some sources twice in the same ref, and put 'Reuters Staff' in 'last'+'first' for another. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 06:40, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Then fix it yourself. I'm not the creator nor the editor of that tool. Bluesatellite (talk) 06:46, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Bluesatellite there's literally no need to be rude. It doesn't matter if you didn't create the tool. You were the one who made the edit so I'm mentioning it to you. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 07:01, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
I thank you if you really do the citations manually. PS: If you care enough with the article, then don't forget to help remove fancruft material such "The Biggest Boy Band in the World" or "The Most Dangerous Band in the World". There's really nothing honorific about them. Cheers. Bluesatellite (talk) 07:25, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2021

In the M Section, there is a mistake in the very first entry. Madonna's titles and country of origin are switched. Stevethecrow (talk) 07:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Cheryl

Could someone please add Cheryl? She has been frequently referred to as "The Nation's Sweetheart" and a "Pop Princess".

The Nation's Sweetheart: https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/122269/The-nation-s-sweetheart https://metro.co.uk/2010/10/27/x-factors-cheryl-cole-being-the-nations-sweetheart-makes-me-cringe-563733/ https://www.capitalfm.com/artists/tulisa-contostavlos/news/cheryl-cole-nations-sweetheart/

Pop Princess: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4154462/cheryl-transformation-growing-up-spotlight-popstars-girls-aloud-liam-payne/ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/23-things-you-didnt-know-11254405 https://popcrush.com/cheryl-fernandez-versini-cole-management-album-2017/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:446:400:7F10:2976:5E8C:8F7F:EC9F (talk) 04:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2021

Hi, you didnt put nicki minaj as queen of rap and i want to edit that. She IS queen of rap. If you search that in google nicki minaj COMES UP. Please put that. Abi pooyes (talk) 19:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

 Already done @Abi pooyes: it's already on there? —Belwine (talk) 20:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Possible extended confirmed protection change

I was editing using 2 accounts alternate. theRafaMarc15 and theRafaMarc15's 2nd Account. I might be a victim of sock puppetry, so better watch out...TheRafaMarc15 (talk) 06:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2021

Eason Chan - ‘King of Asian Pop'[1][2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.227.81 (talk) 14:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.kingston.ac.uk/alumni/our-alumni/made-in-kingston/profiles/eason-chan/
  2. ^ https://www.asiasentinel.com/p/cantopops-dilemma-no-hong-kong-wave

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

83.100.202.147 (talk) 02:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

To give more fame to Michael jackson

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aasim (talk) 05:35, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Luther Vandross

I didn't see Luther Vandross on the list:

"King of Romance" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wudaddy (talk • contribs) 01:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2021

CutiePatities (talk) 04:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Katrina Velarde- Asia's Vocal Supreme Julie Anne San Jose- Asia's Diamond Pop Diva

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 07:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2021

136.158.32.54 (talk) 06:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)


Christian Bautista- Asia's Romantic Balladeer

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 08:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2021

Add 'Miss Americana' to Taylor Swift's section as this is another name she is known by Fa4389 (talk) 14:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021

American singer/songwriter 'Chris Brown' is numerously referred to as the 'King of RnB'.

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] JoseMartinez2020 (talk) 12:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: these articles seem to be describing a debate as to whether or not Chris Brown qualifies for the title of "King of R&B", I don't think they're describing that it is an actual recognizable nickname for him, like for instance, "King of Pop" would be for Michael Jackson. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 18:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Rihanna's On Team Chris Brown In 'Silly'King Of R&B Debate With Jacquees". Hollywoof Life.
  2. ^ "Ebro Crowns Chris Brown The "King Of R&B"". Urban Islandz.
  3. ^ "Chris Brown Elevates Himself To R&B King Status With "Indigo" Album". Urban Islandz.
  4. ^ "Charlamagne Tha God Says Chris Brown and Another Guy Are R&B Kings, Not Jacquees". TMZ.
  5. ^ "Chris Brown Reminds Us Why He's The True King Of R&B + Justin Bieber Agrees". Sohh.
  6. ^ "Wiz Khalifa Names Chris Brown "King Of R&B"". Power 106.
  7. ^ "IS CHRIS BROWN THE BIGGEST R&B ARTIST OF HIS GENERATION?". Soul In Stereo.

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2021

aaliyah the mexican selena 98.187.104.191 (talk) 07:12, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2021

Please add shah rukh khan as King of Bollywood as he is called in India 2409:4042:11B:336F:EE60:B7D5:5E4B:D562 (talk) 20:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 21:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Katy Perry - Queen of Pop

Katy Perry has been referred to several times as either "Queen of Pop" or "New Queen of Pop" owing to her massive success in the 2010s. She's also been voted as Pop Icon of the 2010s Decade by The Tylt in a major poll. Since we're going with any names that have been used in the past for these musicians, I think it'd be weird not to include these. Sources below.

--> https://variety.com/2011/music/markets-festivals/perry-billboard-s-queen-of-pop-1118042749/ -->https://whatculture.com/music/5-reasons-katy-perry-reigning-queen-pop -->https://globalgrind.com/1713131/katy-perry-queen-pop-billboard-music-number-one-hits-teenage-dream-last-friday-night-photos/ -->https://www.wonderlandmagazine.com/2015/05/06/7-wonders-katy-perry/ --> "Pop Icon of the Decade" - https://thetylt.com/entertainment/pop-icon-of-the-decade

122.177.79.103 (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Sourcing

Notability-wise, for these entries to be considered nicknames and not some one-time riff by a single florid writer, I think each item needs a minimum of two articles using that nomenclature in order for this page to be accurate. 2603:6010:4703:EEB8:E466:114:9338:5808 (talk) 03:08, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that would help to cut down the list, but it could make the already huge reference section even larger. For instance, the total article size in kilobytes would increase if your proposal cuts out 33% of the entries, because the remaining 67% would have double referencing.
You might want to start a WP:Request for comment to change the inclusion criteria here to require two references per entry. Binksternet (talk) 03:53, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

"Queen of country" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Queen of country. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 19#Queen of country until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. CycloneYoris talk! 23:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Nicknames that are not honorific

I don't see how Sammy Hagar's "The Red Rocker" or Billy Joel's "The Piano Man" are more than just simple nicknames. How would those nicknames be "honorific"? Same with James Brown's "Mr. Dynamite", Whitney Houston's "The Voice", and Eric Clapton's "Slowhand". We should remove the simple nicknames. Binksternet (talk) 22:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I also agree with that. There is a lot of "simple" nicknames for many artists. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 00:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. Per article's intro, "Honorific" nicknames are religious, familial, or royal and aristocratic. None of the examples above meets this criteria. Bluesatellite (talk) 17:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Certainly "Slowhand" was far from an honorific: "Clapton's nickname of "Slowhand" came from Giorgio Gomelsky, a pun on the slow handclapping that ensued when Clapton stopped playing while he replaced a string." What about "The Bolshy Manchy Git"? lol Martinevans123 (talk) 17:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Seems like there are other titular names which are honorific. "The Professor", "The Doctor of", "Ambassador of", "The First Lady of", and so on. Shouldn't these be included? -- Mikeblas (talk) 13:56, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Those seem honorific to me, too. Binksternet (talk) 16:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
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