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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Sasata (talk) 13:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cas, I've signed up for this review. Will have comments here in a day or three. Sasata (talk) 13:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

okay (actually, sort of a null edit as I was just getting this page on my watchlist....actually I suppose I could have just clicked the star above rather than typed all this needless commentary...) :)Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interested in a lit search for a FA push? Sasata (talk) 19:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes please. I now can get Web of Knowledge via uni library but when you guys use it...it seems to find more things!! So I am interested to see what you get. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • mention sex of individual in taxobox image caption?
added Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • what is a frons?
  • might "nondescript" be a better adjective rather than "undistinguished" to described the female color?
yes and done Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • citation for etymology of species name
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed nomen protectum as it is superfluous, and not actually on page which is the source Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Older common names include…" next sentence "Other names include…" reword to avoid repetition
tweaked Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "robin redbreast" in the lead vs. "Robin Red-breast" in taxonomy
fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • link/gloss lore
dang, the only things i can find aren't good - there is List of terms used in bird topography (which at least has a diagram) and Bird_anatomy#Head. I will expand one and link - probably the latter. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Linked to Bird_anatomy#Head which contains a one line description of lore. Needs to be expanded on destination page but provides raw outline as it is.Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cite needed tag in Dist & Habitat
I ended up using the secondary source (Garnett 2000) as it seems to indicate it was a verbal consensus of experts leading to government position rather than published papers Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "… migratory Flame Robins invaded and ecked out their territories …" ecked?
typo for "eked". fixed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Flame Robin engages in a number of aggressive displays, including a breast-puffing display where it puffs its breast feathers, a white spot display where it puffs its feathers to accentuate its frontal white crown, white wing markings or white outer tail feathers." I don't think the last should be counted as an aggressive display in which the bird "engages". Might also want to reword "engage in singing" in the next sentence for less repetition.
okay, I've changed engages --> deploys, and used (and linked) the word agonistic, which is broader and covers conflict resolution/dominance/aggression behaviours. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Unlike other robins, the female sometimes initiates selection." clarify "selection"
"the female sometimes initiates the site selection" Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Three or four dull white eggs tinted bluish, greyish or brownish and splotched with dark grey-brown measure 18 mm x 14 mm, and are laid on consecutive days." incomplete sentence n/m, looks ok now, verb is "measure" Sasata (talk) 21:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lit search: looks like there's some room for expansion. Here's what I get from a full Web of Knowledge search for "Petroica phoenicea", with "All databases" selected:

Title: Altered timing of avian movements in a peri-urban environment and its relationship to climate
Author(s): Chambers, LE
Source: EMU Volume: 110 Issue: 1 Pages: 48-53 Published: 2010
 Done added Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: Farmland bird responses to intersecting replanted areas
Author(s): Lindenmayer, DB; Cunningham, R; Crane, M, et al.
Source: LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY Volume: 22 Pages: 1555-1562 Published: 2007
 Not done unclear - reports on many spp. and diversity in general. Says Flame Robin one of several species that "respond to coarse-scale (farm-level) features such as different farm-level management practices, rather than planting-level features." - but doesn't explain what these practices are in this case. Peripheral I think to gist of study Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: Breeding and population parameters of robins in a woodland remnant in northern New South Wales, Australia
Author(s): Debus, SJS
Source: EMU Volume: 106 Issue: 2 Pages: 147-156 Published: 2006
 Not done this one is about Scarlet and Eastern Yellow Robin (Flame Robin only mentioned in refs) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: Flame robins in the Geelong region: a GFNC Project.
Author(s): Lingham, Barry
Source: Geelong Bird Report Volume: 2003 Pages: 84-98 Published: 2004
Title: Foraging behaviour of Hooded Robins Melanodryas cucullata in the Northern Tablelands of New South Wales.
Author(s): Fitri, Lulu; Ford, Hugh A.
Source: Corella Volume: 27 Issue: 3 Pages: 61-67 Published: September 2003
 Not done not about species. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: A breeding season comparison of the Tasmanian robins.
Author(s): Newman, Mike
Source: Tasmanian Bird Report Volume: 30 Pages: 19-25 Published: 2002
Title: The foraging ecology of birds of eucalypt forest and woodland. I. Differences between mates and females
Author(s): Recher, HF; Holmes, RT
Source: EMU Volume: 100 Pages: 205-215 Part: 3 Published: SEP 2000
 Done added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: Winter visitors.
Author(s): Bartels, Pauline
Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading) Volume: 760 Pages: 7 Published: February 1996
Title: Robins feeding on seaweed.
Author(s): Wall, Leonard E.
Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading) Volume: 750 Pages: 5 Published: March 1995
Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake annual report 1993/94.
Author(s): Talmage, Mary Ellen
Source: VORG Notes Volume: 29 Issue: 2 Pages: 60-61 Published: January 1995
Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake. Annual report 1992/93.
Author(s): Talmage, M.E.
Source: VORG Notes Volume: 28 Issue: 1-2 Pages: 33-34 Published: 1993
Title: Robin's nest.
Author(s): Zipkas, C.
Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading) Pages: 19 Published: 1992
Title: HABITAT USE AND FORAGING BEHAVIOR OF THE SCARLET ROBIN AND THE FLAME ROBIN AT A SITE OF BREEDING-SEASON SYMPATRY
Author(s): ROBINSON, D
Source: WILDLIFE RESEARCH Volume: 19 Issue: 4 Pages: 377-395 Published: 1992
Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake. Annual report - 1991/1992.
Author(s): Talmage, Mary Ellen
Source: VORG Notes Volume: 27 Issue: 2 Pages: 56 Published: Summer 1992
Title: THE SOCIAL-ORGANIZATION OF THE SCARLET ROBIN PETROICA-MULTICOLOR AND FLAME ROBIN P-PHOENICEA IN SOUTHEASTERN AUSTRALIA - A COMPARISON BETWEEN SEDENTARY AND MIGRATORY FLYCATCHERS
Author(s): ROBINSON, D
Source: IBIS Volume: 132 Issue: 1 Pages: 78-94 Published: JAN 1990
 Done incorporated Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: A flame robin near Laura.
Author(s): Pedler, L.P.
Source: South Australian Ornithologist Volume: 29 Issue: 7 Pages: 179 Published: 1985
Title: Notes on the nesting of flame and scarlet robins in East Gippsland.
Author(s): Bedggood, G.W.
Source: Australian Bird Watcher Volume: 10 Issue: 3 Pages: 105-106 Published: 1983
Title: Breeding the flame robin in captivity.
Author(s): Hamilton, N.
Source: Avicultural Magazine Volume: 87 Issue: 2 Pages: 90-92 Published: 1981
Title: Flame robin banding in the Shepparton district, Victoria.
Author(s): Fordyce, J.C.
Source: Corella Volume: 2 Issue: 5 Pages: 85-88 Published: 1978
Title: A flame robin and the decease of a plant!
Author(s): Allenson, E.J.
Source: Bird Obsr Volume: No.,551 Pages: 82. Published: 1977
Title: The flame robin at Mount Wilson, N.S.W.
Author(s): Reynolds, E.G.
Source: Corella Volume: 1 Issue: 1 Pages: 17 Published: 1977
Title: Baby birds learning.
Author(s): Galbraith, J.
Source: Victorian Naturalist (Blackburn) Volume: 94 Issue: 12 Pages: 77 Published: 1977
Title: Report on wintering flame robins in the Cobram district, Victoria.
Author(s): Bateman, M.
Source: Australian Bird Bander Volume: 13 Issue: 3 Pages: 47-52 Published: 1975
Title: The effect of a bushfire on the banding of flame robins in the Brindabella Ranges.
Author(s): Stokes, A.
Source: Australian Bird Bander Volume: 13 Issue: 4 Pages: 75-76 Published: 1975
Title: Strange behaviour of flame robin Petroica phoenicea and other observations.
Author(s): Klapste, J.
Source: Bird Rep. Volume: No.,525 Pages: 47 Published: 1975
Title: Notes on banding nesting flame robins.
Author(s): Hough, K.
Source: Australian Bird Bander. Volume: 10 Issue: 2 Pages: 32-33 Published: 1974
Title: Banding of flame robins at Mount Buller.
Author(s): Reilly, P.
Source: Australian Bird Bander. Volume: 10 Issue: 2 Pages: 31 Published: 1974
Title: The Flame robin on Wilson's Promontory.
Author(s): Cooper, R. P,
Source: Aust. Bird Watcher Volume: 3 Pages: 227-235, Published: 1970
 Done incorporated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: Flame robin banding at the You Yangs.
Author(s): Pescott, T.
Source: Aust. Bird Bander Volume: 7 Pages: 3-6 Published: 1969
Title: COMPOSITION OF FLAME ROBIN FLOCKS WINTERING IN TASMANIA
Author(s): THOMAS D G
Source: Emu Volume: 69 Issue: 4 Pages: 240-241 Published: 1969
 Done incorporated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: Flame robin banding and observations at Langwarrin.
Author(s): Reilly, P. N.
Source: Aust. Bird Bander Volume: 6 Pages: 3-4 Published: 1968
Title: A flame robin trap.
Author(s): Reilly, P.
Source: Aust Bird Bander Volume: 6 Pages: 82-83 Published: 1968
Title: Xanthochroism in scarlet robin, Petroica multicolor, and flame robin, P. phoenicea.
Author(s): Wall, L. E.
Source: Emu Volume: 66 Pages: 297 Published: 1967

 Done added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Title: Flame robin survey.
Author(s): Ipsen, J. C.; Reilly, P. N.
Source: Aust. Bird Bander Volume: 2 Pages: 110-111 Published: 1964
Title: Nesting of the flame robin at Creswick, Victoria.
Author(s): Cowley, R. D.
Source: Aust. Bird Watcher Volume: 1 Pages: 114 and 116 Published: 1960
Title: Flame Robins with young in northern Victoria.
Author(s): Watts, F. A.
Source: Emu Volume: 59 Pages: 222 Published: 1959
One instance of parents feeding young birds which could fly, in Kingower Ranges near Inglewood. Need to double check overview of feeding to see of warrants adding Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC) Secondary source had better summary of overall evidence. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Title: Ground Thrush inland at Deniliquin, N.S.VV. Flame Rollins" foot pattering ' feeding habit.
Author(s): Hobbs, J. N.
Source: Emu Volume: 54 Pages: 278-279 Published: 1954
added Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the lit-search - alot of it is hard to access and is isolated records here and there. I think I have most of the good bits now, and Higgins does a great job summarising just about everything we know - can you get any I haven't marked as done/not done above (I will double chekc the last Emu one)? Long shot I know.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I checked, but don't have access to any of the Oz bird journals. Well, everything looks to be in order in terms of GA criteria, so I will promote the article now. Good luck at the FAC (if that's the next stop). Sasata (talk) 00:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Flame robin

The flame robin (Petroica phoenicea) is a small passerine bird native to Australia. It is a moderately common resident of the coolest parts of south-eastern Australia, including Tasmania. It was first described by the French naturalists Jean René Constant Quoy and Joseph Paul Gaimard in 1830 and, like many brightly coloured Australasian robins, it is sexually dimorphic. Measuring 12 to 14 cm (5 to 6 in) long, the flame robin has dark brown eyes and a small thin black bill. The male has a brilliant orange-red chest and throat, and a white patch on the forehead above the bill. Its upper parts are iron-grey with white bars, and its tail black with white tips. The female is a nondescript grey-brown. It mostly breeds in and around the Great Dividing Range, the Tasmanian highlands and islands in Bass Strait. With the coming of cooler autumn weather, most birds disperse to lower and warmer areas. This male flame robin was photographed in Jenolan Caves, New South Wales, Australia.

Photograph credit: John Harrison

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