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I'm not sure how comparable this is to the other examples here but the LUAS light rail system in Dublin makes an operating surplus without relying on government subsidies, its only income is its fares. The government did cover the capital cost of building it, which isn't on its books though.196.3.50.254 (talk) 15:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Asia[edit]

Kind of peculiar that only Asian metro systems can make a profit. --Voidvector (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious Citations[edit]

Am I the only one who notices that most of the citations for the European ratios are from 1991 and from a single Japanese rail site? Isn;t this a bit biased as well as outdated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.1.231 (talk) 19:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The article is just a hit job on cars. In the UK, for example, petrol is already over $6 a gallon, and road taxes raise 3x the road construction and repair budget, £45 and £15 billion respectivly. --80.254.146.20 (talk) 11:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the cost of petrol usage was simply that of road construction and maintenance then that'd be relevant, Actually, as a matter of policy, you probably want to split the two anyway, have a tax on mileage covering road usage (including the loss of property taxes associated with land being given over to roads), increased healthcare expenditures (emergency services related to collisions etc), and other direct road costs, and then a separate tax on petrol covering pollution and other costs associated with government support for the oil industry. The second of these is very difficult to put a numeric figure on, however (how much of the military budget is related to the effects of our dependence on oil from politically unstable countries?), and politically it'd be very unpopular. --66.149.58.8 (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NYC[edit]

The cited link has "farebox recovery ratio" and "farebox operating ratio"

http://www.mta.info/mta/ind-finance/month/nyct-ratios.htm

By the definitions listed at the link, ive changed the article to reflect the "farebox operating ratio", which fits this article better. BBnet3000 (talk) 01:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree. This article is about farebox recovery ratios. The farebox operating ratio does not include long-term investments which are necessary to operate transit systems (such as interest and rolling stock replacement). The FOR gives an unrealistic image of the income/expense balance of a transit system. This way it looks the MTA is more profitable than it actually is. Chriszwolle (talk) 09:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And who knows how much the unfunded pension and retiree health care obligations will be?69.37.2.254 (talk) 22:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Zurich source[edit]

The source for Zurich says that the 60% is for operating AND capital expenses. It would be even higher if it were just capital- need to find a source that indicates just operating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbiship (talk • contribs) 14:15, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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