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Neutrality and Sourcing[edit]

I propose deletion of the article, as every single claim on this page has a "citation needed" caveat behind it and the claims are clearly dubious at best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.162.193.17 (talk) 15:58, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Two Heads[edit]

Note to editors. The story of two soldiers decapitated occurs also in narratives of the Arab al-Mawasi massacre, which occurred on November 2,1948. The two soldiers went missing in the attack on 'Outpost 213' on September 12. Israeli intelligence reports attributed their mutilation to the 'Arab al-Mawasi tribe, and reported that one head was taken to Eilabun, the other to Maghar. Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestiniahn Refyfee Problem Revisitedm, 2004 p.479, p.499 n.107

Morris page 481. Zero^talk 09:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allegedly[edit]

Because its a "relatively well documented" massacre, I think that the word "allegedly" at the beginning of the article is not necessary, and I am going to remove it unless anyone else sees otherwise. Modi mode (talk) 05:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Nature of the Christians[edit]

The 1922 census lists the categories of the 319 Christians as 40 Orthodox, 253 Roman Catholic, 8 Armenian Church (Gregorians). All other categories including Maronite were listed as 0. There is probably a similar table in Vol 2 of the 1931 census report but I don't have those pages. Vol 1 however says that Maronites were only 3.7% of the Christian population of Palestine. We would need a good source to explain how Eilabun became Maronite by 1948. Zero^talk 07:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Was following what I thought I saw in Morris. Roman catholic and Maronites are actually not in conflict - as Maronites are in communion with the Catholic church. I don't know if the 1922 census actually differentiated the two.Icewhiz (talk) 07:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it did, they have separate columns in the table. Zero^talk 08:09, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is repeated in several other sources other than Morris - but regardless - Christian encompasses Maronite - so it's not inaccurate as Christian.Icewhiz (talk) 08:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see Maronite in other places too and at the moment I can't explain the apparent contradiction. Zero^talk 09:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be surprised if Maronites were simply registered as Roman Catholics in some instances in 1922 (and 1931) - depending on whether the local bureaucrat made a distinction or not and possibly based on interests of the town folk and/or possibly the local priest. Maronites and Melkites are Catholics, so not ticking the particular church box is not that odd (had they switched a Greek Orthodox church around - that would've been bigger discrepancy).Icewhiz (talk) 10:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This source from 1954 - [1] (peeked in the Hebrew wiki) - has 700 of 815 residents as "Greek Catholics" (which would be Melkite and not Maronite - I think - but either way not Roman Catholics - though trusting Davar to get classifications right might be a stretch).Icewhiz (talk) 11:02, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]